Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: On further thought... what about Pending edits ? I do like pending as part of the name, especially if this is the name going on the UI for the link/tab/whatever where you would see them. It also seems to me that the name in the UI doesn't have to be quite the same as the name of the feature itself -- here is where you see the pending edits, which are part of the revision review feature, aka special:flaggedrevs. (or something). Hi Phoebe, We considered going in that direction. The tough part about it is that the name goes against the grain of what we want to use in the UI. Take a look at this page: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Vince_(2005) We're planning to change label of the Pending changes tab to Pending revision, since what people will see when they visit that tab is the pending revision, not the diff against the old version. The nice thing about then naming the feature itself Pending Revisions is that it aligns with what people will see as the most prominent feature of the UI. Rob Got it. Well, I personally like pending revisions, as I said (bit long for a tab label, but oh well). Can it go to the other side of the history tab though, so it doesn't show up before the edit tab when reading across? (I'm sure there's an argument to be made both ways, but I'd expect a new feature to show up as the last tab in standard UI design). Where will it go in Vector? best, Phoebe ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
Hi Phoebe, Replies inline... On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:12 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: We're planning to change label of the Pending changes tab to Pending revision, since what people will see when they visit that tab is the pending revision, not the diff against the old version. The nice thing about then naming the feature itself Pending Revisions is that it aligns with what people will see as the most prominent feature of the UI. Got it. Well, I personally like pending revisions, as I said (bit long for a tab label, but oh well). So, as I mentioned in my previous email, we're dabbling with the idea of Pending (something else). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions/Terminology#Pending... Can it go to the other side of the history tab though, so it doesn't show up before the edit tab when reading across? (I'm sure there's an argument to be made both ways, but I'd expect a new feature to show up as the last tab in standard UI design). I'm not sure what the rationale is, but I asked here: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:FlaggedRevs_issues#Tab_placement_in_Vector_and_Monobook Where will it go in Vector? Hrm...we should probably make Vector default on the test site. I'm looking into that. At any rate, you can see it by logging in at http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org and visiting a page that has pending revisions. An example (as of this writing) is here: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Vince_(2005) Rob ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
On 25 May 2010 02:33, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I also like Revision Review or Edit Review, though those could be interpreted as a review of something else, like all of the edits. Of those choices the former is alliterative, the second slightly less jargony. Interesting! My gut reaction was that revision is noticeably more jargony than edit. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
Edit review is not bad. FT2 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: On 25 May 2010 02:33, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I also like Revision Review or Edit Review, though those could be interpreted as a review of something else, like all of the edits. Of those choices the former is alliterative, the second slightly less jargony. Interesting! My gut reaction was that revision is noticeably more jargony than edit. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
Interesting! My gut reaction was that revision is noticeably more jargony than edit. Yeah, I mean it even says in our motto, The encyclopedia that *anybody* can edit. Emily On May 25, 2010, at 4:12 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: On 25 May 2010 02:33, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I also like Revision Review or Edit Review, though those could be interpreted as a review of something else, like all of the edits. Of those choices the former is alliterative, the second slightly less jargony. Interesting! My gut reaction was that revision is noticeably more jargony than edit. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote: Revision Review (or any similar term) clearly signals this is a human process, which IMHO gets it 80% right already. Review of a revision cue or edit cue works. You are right, as both words Flagged and Protections convey an autocratic sense. Note, on wikien-l, some are discussing what kind of revert etiquette that Revision Review (formerly Flagged Protections) should use. Revert etiquette seems inherently contradicted, though its at a good sign that people are mindful that Revision Review can and probably will be used in the wrong way. -SC (crossposted to foundation-l and wikien-l) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
On 25 May 2010 19:50, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote: Revision Review (or any similar term) clearly signals this is a human process, which IMHO gets it 80% right already. Review of a revision cue or edit cue works. You are right, as both words Flagged and Protections convey an autocratic sense. Something involving queued is certainly an interesting idea - the main problem with it is that it implies a first-in-first-out system, but I don't think anyone would be too outraged when they realise it (mostly) isn't one. This edit is queued and awaiting approval. On the other hand, neither revision queue, queued revisions or the same for edit really sound right. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 25 May 2010 02:33, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I also like Revision Review or Edit Review, though those could be interpreted as a review of something else, like all of the edits. Of those choices the former is alliterative, the second slightly less jargony. Interesting! My gut reaction was that revision is noticeably more jargony than edit. Uh... that is what I meant, sorry for being confusing. Revision is definitely more jargony. I just like the way revision review sounds :) But edits is what we use in the UI generally -- Edit this page, Edit history, etc. On further thought... what about Pending edits ? I do like pending as part of the name, especially if this is the name going on the UI for the link/tab/whatever where you would see them. It also seems to me that the name in the UI doesn't have to be quite the same as the name of the feature itself -- here is where you see the pending edits, which are part of the revision review feature, aka special:flaggedrevs. (or something). -- phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: On further thought... what about Pending edits ? I do like pending as part of the name, especially if this is the name going on the UI for the link/tab/whatever where you would see them. It also seems to me that the name in the UI doesn't have to be quite the same as the name of the feature itself -- here is where you see the pending edits, which are part of the revision review feature, aka special:flaggedrevs. (or something). Hi Phoebe, We considered going in that direction. The tough part about it is that the name goes against the grain of what we want to use in the UI. Take a look at this page: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Vince_(2005) We're planning to change label of the Pending changes tab to Pending revision, since what people will see when they visit that tab is the pending revision, not the diff against the old version. The nice thing about then naming the feature itself Pending Revisions is that it aligns with what people will see as the most prominent feature of the UI. Rob ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, As William alluded to, a bunch of us have been studying the user interface for Flagged Protections and figuring out how to make it more intuitive. Thanks for asking about the name -- though I suspect there's nothing that will make everyone happy it's better to ask and hopefully get a better name out of it. - Pending Revisions - this name is very consistent with what everyone will see in many parts of the user interface, and what it will be used for (i.e. providing a queue of pending revisions) - Double Check - this was a late entrant, but has the distinct advantage of clearly communicating what we envision this feature will be used for (i.e. enforcing a double check from a very broad community). I like Pending Revisions, which is basically what's going on, and seems to convey the whole process (pending for what? someone may ask). I also like Revision Review or Edit Review, though those could be interpreted as a review of something else, like all of the edits. Of those choices the former is alliterative, the second slightly less jargony. Double Check is cute but I would think also prone to misinterpretation, since I dunno how much checking will go along with flagging a revision. And double check what? Facts? Misspellings? I like the names that emphasize that it is revisions/edits that are getting checked. Maybe the explanation of what is this could say something like Pending Revisions is a a process to double check edits... as a compromise. -- phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
