Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On 4 December 2010 11:38, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Lots of people mirror Wikipedia, or parts of it, is Amazon doing > anything different? If not have we brought this to their attention? The copyright reuse is probably OK, maybe with little details around the edges. The point of free content is "take our stuff". Trademark issues - possible implications that this is official, and the need to alleviate these - may need some negotiation. But I'm sure it'll be fine in short order. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
We can't blame Amazon if they take "You should not cite any particular author or authors" literally. I suspect they've read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content they seem to be complying with the bit about linking to our articles. Lots of people mirror Wikipedia, or parts of it, is Amazon doing anything different? If not have we brought this to their attention? WereSpielChequers On 4 December 2010 10:28, Mike Dupont wrote: > The citation for wikipedia according to wikipedia would look like this: > James Joyce. (2010, December 3). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. > Retrieved 10:24, December 4, 2010, from > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Joyce&oldid=400394336 > > see > :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&page=James_Joyce&id=400394336 > > But on the other hand : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_Wikipedia > there is says : > Wikipedia contributors. James Joyce. (2010, December 3). In > Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 10:24, December 4, 2010, > from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Joyce&oldid=400394336 > > So the special page does not say "contributors" there are no links to > the contributors in the citation examples. > > thanks, > mike > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Angela Anuszewski > wrote: >> What really bothers me about it is that there is no direct link to the >> revision history. The authors aren't attributed unless you go to the linked >> WP page, and there is nothing that even hints at that. >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania > flossk.org flossal.org > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
The citation for wikipedia according to wikipedia would look like this: James Joyce. (2010, December 3). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 10:24, December 4, 2010, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Joyce&oldid=400394336 see :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&page=James_Joyce&id=400394336 But on the other hand : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_Wikipedia there is says : Wikipedia contributors. James Joyce. (2010, December 3). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 10:24, December 4, 2010, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Joyce&oldid=400394336 So the special page does not say "contributors" there are no links to the contributors in the citation examples. thanks, mike On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Angela Anuszewski wrote: > What really bothers me about it is that there is no direct link to the > revision history. The authors aren't attributed unless you go to the linked > WP page, and there is nothing that even hints at that. > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
As Magnus said, I had also the idea of incorporate amazon affiliate some months ago but I'm not sure if it will change the status of Wikipedia as a non-profit organization. Since amazon pages are sometimes used as a reliable source for information about books, CDs, etc. To successfully take advantage of this, Jimbo could create an account at amazonassociates. Then put the "?tag=accountname" in every amazon URL that is currently used as source, and also check for new links to add the tag. This could be easily done by a bot. There will be absolutely no repercussions in terms of usability and bandwidth, and the the income could be huge. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:22 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 December 2010 15:15, Magnus Manske wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > >>> We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not >>> official or endorsed by us. > >> Thanks for clarifying. > > > Are they hotlinking? We could redirect all accesses to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_%28computing%29 ;-D > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On 03/12/10 13:09, Magnus Manske wrote: > This stuff will apparently show up in Amazon search results soon-ish: > > http://www.amazon.com/wiki/James_Joyce > > Interesting idea, though I find it slightly disturbing for some reason... > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Mmm, I agree ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
What really bothers me about it is that there is no direct link to the revision history. The authors aren't attributed unless you go to the linked WP page, and there is nothing that even hints at that. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
> A Kindle costs money? Yes. > Thus it is sold for money? Yes. Actually no. The download is free. Fred User: Fred Bauder ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
When I clicked on the Wikipedia link at the top of the article it took me to the article on Wikipedia. I hope that this brings us some extra editors, I'm sure it will bring us an unknown number of extra viewers. WeeSpielChequers On 3 December 2010 16:22, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 December 2010 15:15, Magnus Manske wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > >>> We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not >>> official or endorsed by us. > >> Thanks for clarifying. > > > Are they hotlinking? We could redirect all accesses to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_%28computing%29 ;-D > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
A Kindle costs money? Yes. Thus it is sold for money? Yes. James Joyce does not cost money? Yes. Hence [post hoc ergo propter hoc] Amazon gives it away free? Nope. They certainly give it away free, but I'd say Amazon gives it away free not because it is free, but to encourage you to buy a Kindle. -Original Message- From: wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Carson Sent: 03 December 2010 23:04 To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM, wiki wrote: > Yeah, but my odds of getting a Kindle gratis from their benevolence are?? > > It's a bit like applauding the Ritz Hotel for giving away free coffee with a > $150 meal. A Kindle is a physical object that costs money to produce. Hence they are sold for money. The early works of James Joyce are public domain content which can be digitally duplicated infinitely for no significant cost. Hence they are given away for free, both by benevolent organizations such as Project Gutenberg, and by for-profit corporations such as Amazon. What point, exactly, are you trying to make? Cheers, David... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM, wiki wrote: > Yeah, but my odds of getting a Kindle gratis from their benevolence are?? > > It's a bit like applauding the Ritz Hotel for giving away free coffee with a > $150 meal. A Kindle is a physical object that costs money to produce. Hence they are sold for money. The early works of James Joyce are public domain content which can be digitally duplicated infinitely for no significant cost. Hence they are given away for free, both by benevolent organizations such as Project Gutenberg, and by for-profit corporations such as Amazon. What point, exactly, are you trying to make? Cheers, David... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
Yeah, but my odds of getting a Kindle gratis from their benevolence are?? It's a bit like applauding the Ritz Hotel for giving away free coffee with a $150 meal. -Original Message- From: wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Carson Sent: 03 December 2010 20:16 To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Peter Coombe wrote: > > Also on the example page linked (James Joyce) you can of course just > scroll down to the Project Gutenberg link and get most of his works > for free! Although they did think to remove the Wikisource link. To be fair, for the works of James Joyce which are out of copyright and thus available from Project Gutenberg, Amazon also has Kindle editions for $0.00, so it's not as if they're afraid of free digital copies of public domain works. Cheers, David... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Peter Coombe wrote: > > Also on the example page linked (James Joyce) you can of course just > scroll down to the Project Gutenberg link and get most of his works > for free! Although they did think to remove the Wikisource link. To be fair, for the works of James Joyce which are out of copyright and thus available from Project Gutenberg, Amazon also has Kindle editions for $0.00, so it's not as if they're afraid of free digital copies of public domain works. Cheers, David... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
> To Magnus' suggestion -- they would have no real motivation to divert > some of their margin to Wikipedia, would they? I'm not sure > attributing the content to Wikipedia, and using Wikimedia marks for > that purpose, would fall far enough afoul of trademark law to give the > WMF a lot of leverage. And in any case, do we want to get into the > habit of asking content reusers to contribute to the WMF financially? > The whole object is to make freely reusable content available, isn't > it? > > Nathan Asking Amazon is not the same as "getting into the habit" Fred User:Fred Bauder ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
speaking from a user and an editor having relevant books show up, or ideally even references be halfway automated found, or plagiarism detected based on amazon comparing books to articles would be welcome. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Nathan wrote: > To Magnus' suggestion -- they would have no real motivation to divert > some of their margin to Wikipedia, would they? I'm not sure > attributing the content to Wikipedia, and using Wikimedia marks for > that purpose, would fall far enough afoul of trademark law to give the > WMF a lot of leverage. And in any case, do we want to get into the > habit of asking content reusers to contribute to the WMF financially? > The whole object is to make freely reusable content available, isn't > it? > > Nathan > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
To Magnus' suggestion -- they would have no real motivation to divert some of their margin to Wikipedia, would they? I'm not sure attributing the content to Wikipedia, and using Wikimedia marks for that purpose, would fall far enough afoul of trademark law to give the WMF a lot of leverage. And in any case, do we want to get into the habit of asking content reusers to contribute to the WMF financially? The whole object is to make freely reusable content available, isn't it? Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
No, they don't seem to be hotlinking. Their images and links are on their own server - though they show an option to go to the Wikipedia page too. They've even replaced fair use images with links to Wikipedia's file page. I'm no expert, but it looks kosher to me. At most maybe a disclaimer that their site is not endorsed by WikiMedia is needed? Sent from my Droid2 Elias Friedman A.S., EMT-P אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי elipo...@gmail.com On Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM, "David Gerard" wrote: > On 3 December 2010 15:15, Magnus Manske wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > >>> We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not >>> official or endorsed by us. > >> Thanks for clarifying. > > > Are they hotlinking? We could redirect all accesses to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_%28computing%29 ;-D > > > - d. > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On 3 December 2010 14:06, Erik Moeller wrote: > We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not > official or endorsed by us. > > Erik I quite like the idea, but the current implementation does seem a bit dubious in terms of trademark use. As a big company with copious lawyers, it's very surprising that Amazon didn't think to contact WMF at all. Also on the example page linked (James Joyce) you can of course just scroll down to the Project Gutenberg link and get most of his works for free! Although they did think to remove the Wikisource link. In the reverse direction, we once had a WMF Amazon Associates account, to earn money on purchases from Amazon via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Book_sources. Does it still exist? It would probably only add up to a small amount, but I don't see any reason not to restore it. There's a stalled discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Book_sources#Amazon_associate_number Pete / the wub ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On 3 December 2010 15:15, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not >> official or endorsed by us. > Thanks for clarifying. Are they hotlinking? We could redirect all accesses to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_%28computing%29 ;-D - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not > official or endorsed by us. Thanks for clarifying. Now, here is an idea we might be able to turn this on its head to our advantage (warning, radical notion ahead): 1. Get "buy-in" from companies for business collaboration 2. Leave Wikipedia as it is, but have a little "products" button somewhere 3. When (and only when) the user clicks that button, links to some articles get an icon similar to the Amazon mouseover one 4. This would show (on mouseover) links/previews/etc. for related products, pre-arranged with companies 5. These items would be very specific (a specific book, car etc.), so no useless search-based spam list 6. Wikipedia gets money per product, or per mouseover, or per click, or per order, or any combination thereof Yes, I know we had "ads on Wikipedia" discussions before. I've probably seen them all. This is not about ads, or even opt-in ads. This is about the user deciding (on an ad-free Wikipedia) he wants to buy some product mentioned on the page, and see precise offers for these products, if and when he wants them, on demand. I just thought it might be worth mentioning this idea. I won't be offended if it doesn't fly :-) Magnus ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
Could you describe what that looks like, for those that avoid Facebook like the plague? Maybe do so in a new thread so this one can stay on topic with the Amazon stuff? Carcharoth On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: > Facebook also has the community pages based on wikipedia as well. I > assume you know about that. > > mike > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not >> official or endorsed by us. >> >> Erik >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania > flossk.org flossal.org > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On 3 December 2010 13:54, wiki wrote: > > Contrary to the description, this is not a Wikipedia page at all. The page > has no relationship to Wikipedia. This is an *Amazon* page validly using CC > free material that has come from Wikipedia. It is reasonable to presume that > the casual reader might assume a commercial link between the WMF and Amazon > which does not exist - and that the description tends to imply that. I think I've finally worked out the bit that particularly nagged at me - other than the logo in the corner, Amazon themselves are mentioned only once (as a link), and we're named five times, two of those explicitly indicating us as the source without any caveats. Maybe we should get our own back, and create "encyclopedia-enabled Amazon pages" - mirror the (rather recognisable) Amazon book pages, replacing the links to buy other books with links to our articles, put our logo in the top, splash their name everywhere, and see if they squeal... ;-) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
> This stuff will apparently show up in Amazon search results soon-ish: > > http://www.amazon.com/wiki/James_Joyce > > Interesting idea, though I find it slightly disturbing for some reason... > "Shopping-enabled Wikipedia Page" Their mouse over was not yet functioning when I tried it., "Loading, Loading, Loading..." Amazon, as it sells nearly every product known to man, is doing a clever thing, using a Wikipedia article to sell stuff. It can extend well beyond books. And any firm selling anything is welcome to do the same thing, if they can figure out software linking mentions of a product with their product page, although a simple internal link [[Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man|Buy Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man]] would serve if wiki software is used. I wonder how you would put a cart onto a wiki. I guess a external link to PayPay would work. So is the foundation helping them in any way, or getting any thing from them? Fred User: Fred Bauder ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
Facebook also has the community pages based on wikipedia as well. I assume you know about that. mike On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not > official or endorsed by us. > > Erik > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is not official or endorsed by us. Erik ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
Seems to me that "Shopping-enabled Wikipedia Page" may be perilously close to a trademark infringement, or what in the UK would be known as "passing off". Contrary to the description, this is not a Wikipedia page at all. The page has no relationship to Wikipedia. This is an *Amazon* page validly using CC free material that has come from Wikipedia. It is reasonable to presume that the casual reader might assume a commercial link between the WMF and Amazon which does not exist - and that the description tends to imply that. I'd like to know if the WMF was consulted over this, and what the lawyers think. Scott -Original Message- From: wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Gray Sent: 03 December 2010 13:31 To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia On 3 December 2010 13:09, Magnus Manske wrote: > This stuff will apparently show up in Amazon search results soon-ish: > > http://www.amazon.com/wiki/James_Joyce > > Interesting idea, though I find it slightly disturbing for some reason... The idea seems to be that you'll search for James Joyce, get the page, follow it to buy a paperback of Finnegan's Wake. I do wonder how the traffic is going to find these pages in the first place, I admit... >From our point of view, one concern might be the use of "Shopping-enabled Wikipedia page", a phrasing that does tend to imply some sort of association between us and them. Thoughts? Their footer reads: "The article appearing above is from Wikipedia: [article link]. The Wikipedia content may be available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, version 3.0 or any later version, available at: [link]. Additional or other terms may apply. See Wikipedia Terms of Use for details." I'm intrigued by the ambivalent "may be available under"... -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
On 3 December 2010 13:09, Magnus Manske wrote: > This stuff will apparently show up in Amazon search results soon-ish: > > http://www.amazon.com/wiki/James_Joyce > > Interesting idea, though I find it slightly disturbing for some reason... The idea seems to be that you'll search for James Joyce, get the page, follow it to buy a paperback of Finnegan's Wake. I do wonder how the traffic is going to find these pages in the first place, I admit... >From our point of view, one concern might be the use of "Shopping-enabled Wikipedia page", a phrasing that does tend to imply some sort of association between us and them. Thoughts? Their footer reads: "The article appearing above is from Wikipedia: [article link]. The Wikipedia content may be available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, version 3.0 or any later version, available at: [link]. Additional or other terms may apply. See Wikipedia Terms of Use for details." I'm intrigued by the ambivalent "may be available under"... -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia
Great stuff! people who looked at this article will likely look at this one? add to cart! mike On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > This stuff will apparently show up in Amazon search results soon-ish: > > http://www.amazon.com/wiki/James_Joyce > > Interesting idea, though I find it slightly disturbing for some reason... > > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
