Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 5/21/10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_word_in_English ;-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: On 5/21/10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_word_in_English ;-) Well, what do you know? I cut and pasted Lopadotemachosela and the search box autocompleted the full word (well, the full word with a '...' in the middle). So it does work! For the chemical one (over 189,000 letters) the redirect is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Methionylthreonylthreonylglutaminylala%E2%80%A6redirect=no The first four chemical groups and truncating it so it ends in lala? :-) I guess the redirect name had to end somewhere, but there is an inconsistency between the end of that redirect and the part of the name listed at the longest words page. I wonder if it is worth finding out if that redirect is incorrect? Redirecting to Titin is much more sensible. *Sigh* Wikipedia doesn't give the rest of the name anywhere. I suppose the sum of all knowledge doesn't extend to protein databases? Ah, actually, look in the history of that redirect and I think all 189,819 letters are there and it was marked as a copyvio by CorenSearchBot as a copy of a Yahoo Answers page? :-) Well, I suppose protein names are protected in some ways, but I'm not sure what happened here and what should have happened. But it reaffirms my suspicions that you only have to scratch the surface anywhere in Wikipedia and you find interesting histories and discussions. I summarised a bit here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Titin#Redirect_spelling_and_copyvio The main argument for not having redirects like this is that no-one checks the spelling... Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
I like the changes from what I can see so far. Some of the stuff I was saying earlier had gone is now back, so it looks like it was a temporary thing while the changes were made. I like the way the text now adjusts to being left-justified so you can see the whole text. I now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-) Carcharoth On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Regarding the search location, we understand the inconvenience and the sense of disorientation when the frequently used tool is moved around. However, we found from the usability study that the interaction to search field/interface increased significantly when the search location was moved to the top right. Improvement of the search experience was also contributed by the improvement of the search engine (lucene), and the clean-up of the search result page where the relevant results received high-priority in ranking than missing pages or error messages. We are monitoring the search query volume before and after the Vector launch to compare if the search location change had an impact on the search query volume. We hope to publish the stats next week. Regarding the default behavior whether it should go to an article or full-text search when an enter key is hit, it is a bigger discussion. Based on the feedback during early prototype phase, we dropped the idea of reversing the search behavior to give full-text search instead of article search, as article search and serving matched article is unique to Wikimedia projects and it showcases how many topics we cover. The new search interface gives user an option to chose from the article name space or full-text search from the drop down menu. So, will you give another try? - Naoko Naoko Komura wrote: Hi, everyone. We have received problem reports and feedback that search queries were truncated sometimes and the search suggestions were hard to read or chose due to the limited width. We apologize for introducing broken behaviors in using the search. In order to mitigate spreading the problem, the new search function was disabled on May 15, and the search field was increased by fifty percent on May 18. We are aware that this temporary fix still does not accommodate the search for long article names. We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search suggestions are cut-off [3]. Prototypes in various languages are also available here[4]. Please give it a spin and let us know your feedback. If the functionality is confirmed solid, we would like to re-enable the new search feature later this week. Thanks a bunch in advance, - Naoko User Experience Programs @ WMF [1] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23498 [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23558 [4] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Prototype -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Of course, I meant right-justified... On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I like the changes from what I can see so far. Some of the stuff I was saying earlier had gone is now back, so it looks like it was a temporary thing while the changes were made. I like the way the text now adjusts to being left-justified so you can see the whole text. I now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-) Carcharoth On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Regarding the search location, we understand the inconvenience and the sense of disorientation when the frequently used tool is moved around. However, we found from the usability study that the interaction to search field/interface increased significantly when the search location was moved to the top right. Improvement of the search experience was also contributed by the improvement of the search engine (lucene), and the clean-up of the search result page where the relevant results received high-priority in ranking than missing pages or error messages. We are monitoring the search query volume before and after the Vector launch to compare if the search location change had an impact on the search query volume. We hope to publish the stats next week. Regarding the default behavior whether it should go to an article or full-text search when an enter key is hit, it is a bigger discussion. Based on the feedback during early prototype phase, we dropped the idea of reversing the search behavior to give full-text search instead of article search, as article search and serving matched article is unique to Wikimedia projects and it showcases how many topics we cover. The new search interface gives user an option to chose from the article name space or full-text search from the drop down menu. So, will you give another try? - Naoko Naoko Komura wrote: Hi, everyone. We have received problem reports and feedback that search queries were truncated sometimes and the search suggestions were hard to read or chose due to the limited width. We apologize for introducing broken behaviors in using the search. In order to mitigate spreading the problem, the new search function was disabled on May 15, and the search field was increased by fifty percent on May 18. We are aware that this temporary fix still does not accommodate the search for long article names. We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search suggestions are cut-off [3]. Prototypes in various languages are also available here[4]. Please give it a spin and let us know your feedback. If the functionality is confirmed solid, we would like to re-enable the new search feature later this week. Thanks a bunch in advance, - Naoko User Experience Programs @ WMF [1] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23498 [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23558 [4] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Prototype -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 06:20, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Thanks for fixing the full-text search. There's a significant change from Monobook in suggestions behavior: selecting a suggestion immediately runs a search instead of just putting its text in the search box. The Monobook behavior had its advantages. I reported this here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23611 -- אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי Amir Elisha Aharoni http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Naoko Komura wrote: Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search suggestions are cut-off [3]. Prototypes in various languages are also available here[4]. Thanks. If it won't take too much time, could you please set up a prototype in Hebrew, to test RTL issues? I tried Arabic and it seems OK, but there are a couple of features that are unique to Hebrew. Sure thing. - Naoko Amir, Here's the prototype in Hebrew. http://prototype.wikimedia.org/he.wikipedia.org/ Thanks to Ryan Lane for prompt prototype building. :-) Looking forward to hearing the language specific feedback and areas to improve. Best, - Naoko -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with a search box that is at best odd—and at worst an obstruction to our reader's searches. What bothers me is that the search function we had until a week ago was *perfectly fine*. Seemingly to move the box from the left of the page to the top required a (detrimental) restructure of its basic behaviour. AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 22 May 2010 00:28, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with a search box that is at best odd—and at worst an obstruction to our reader's searches. What bothers me is that the search function we had until a week ago was *perfectly fine*. Seemingly to move the box from the left of the page to the top required a (detrimental) restructure of its basic behaviour. AGK Not so. The search box in classic is on the top left (as well as the second one at the the end of the page). As far as I'm aware this requies no changes from monobook. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 22 May 2010 00:36, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Not so. The search box in classic is on the top left (as well as the second one at the the end of the page). As far as I'm aware this requies no changes from monobook. I may have been being a little sarcastic :P. Sorry if I confused you. AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with a search box that is at best odd—and at worst an obstruction to our reader's searches. What bothers me is that the search function we had until a week ago was *perfectly fine*. Seemingly to move the box from the left of the page to the top required a (detrimental) restructure of its basic behaviour. What I meant was that the number of page views can't be related to use of the internal search function, because so many people arrive from clicking a result they find in Google. But I'm sure those tracking the data from before and after for use of the search box know that, and you are right that the search box usability and function should still be optimised to serve those that use it. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: We have a rough proxy for use of search, I believe, by seeing the traffic to special:search. We could try seeing if this exhibits any noticeable difference after the chance. We're limited here by the fact that, for privacy and other reasons, we don't track clickthroughs (so we can't tell how many people are arriving at an article from the search box, only to go back to searching). That said, according to stats.grok.se, pageviews for Special:Search dropped below 5 million hits per day three times in the last week, having not done so since January 3 this year. On the other hand, you could interpret any such change in about seven different ways, so it may not help much... ;-) Indeed, that's why it will be interesting to hear what metrics the interface people used when making the decision to carry out this change, presuming that they did actually use some. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
David Goodman wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. Ah, but it would be confusing to be out of step with other websites, wouldn't it? Never mind that Wikipedia is sui generis and well known in its own terms, it would be confusing not to conform to other sites in having design imposed, not bubbling up from the community of editors (who admittedly only make the site what it is). No matter how much you paid an established editor, the required level of ignorance could not be attained without re-education. It would also be confusing to have a search function that actually searched the site, rather than being based on assumptions about what people wanted when they tried to search the site. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. How about having JavaScript increasing the size of the search box once you click it? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search suggestions are cut-off [3]. Prototypes in various languages are also available here[4]. Thanks. If it won't take too much time, could you please set up a prototype in Hebrew, to test RTL issues? I tried Arabic and it seems OK, but there are a couple of features that are unique to Hebrew. -- אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי Amir Elisha Aharoni http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 05/20/2010 01:13 AM, Charles Matthews wrote: Ah, but it would be confusing to be out of step with other websites, wouldn't it? Never mind that Wikipedia is sui generis and well known in its own terms, it would be confusing not to conform to other sites in having design imposed, not bubbling up from the community of editors (who admittedly only make the site what it is). I hate to tell you this, but people working on every site believe theirs is so special that it should be an exception the rules. But however awesome a site is, regular users spend most of their time on other sites. That's true even for a high-traffic site like ours. So we should only deviate from conventions or make innovative design choices when there is such a clear benefit to users that it outweighs the cost to our users. The community of editors definitely make this place what it is, but our shared goal is to serve readers, and I think that should be paramount in our minds. Especially in situations like interface design, where a classic and incredibly common mistake is for internal stakeholders to make self-serving choices. That's not to say that we shouldn't also design for expert users. For example, I agree with others that there should be some way for experts to easily do a text search without having to make the extra click. But assuming a 99:1 novice to expert ratio for our traffic, the current approach must have saved an awful lot of extra clicks from novices. William ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org gets about 13.5% of internet users. That's 135 million users. We definitely don't have anywhere near even 1 million expert users. Of course, it depends how you define expert but if we have 10,000 expert users/editors, then that pales in comparison to the somewhere between 200 and 240 million people viewing the website. ~A On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 15:51, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: But assuming a 99:1 novice to expert ratio for our traffic, the current approach must have saved an awful lot of extra clicks from novices. Ahh ... do we have numbers from our logs for that assertion? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? Carcharoth On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org gets about 13.5% of internet users. That's 135 million users. We definitely don't have anywhere near even 1 million expert users. Of course, it depends how you define expert but if we have 10,000 expert users/editors, then that pales in comparison to the somewhere between 200 and 240 million people viewing the website. ~A On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 15:51, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: But assuming a 99:1 novice to expert ratio for our traffic, the current approach must have saved an awful lot of extra clicks from novices. Ahh ... do we have numbers from our logs for that assertion? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 20 May 2010 16:17, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org No, I mean actual data from the actual use of our site. Putting the search box in the same place as other popular sites is on the assumption that people will find this more familiar. But what's the actual data say about the change? I assume someone gathered some before and plans to gather some after. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 05/20/2010 07:57 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 20 May 2010 15:51, William Pietriwill...@scissor.com wrote: But assuming a 99:1 novice to expert ratio for our traffic, the current approach must have saved an awful lot of extra clicks from novices. Ahh ... do we have numbers from our logs for that assertion? Good question. I should say that I have no inside knowledge on this project, and am speaking purely as a random Wikipedian who does web stuff for a living. That's just my educated guess, both on ratios and clicks. Personally, I'd love to see more data, both as a driver for interface decisions and so that we can measure the results. But realistically, I can't hold Wikipedia to the same standards I hold my other clients. Wikipedia was run on a shoestring for years, with the main goal being survival under massive load. It's easy enough for a low-traffic startup to add decent instrumentation, but adding it to an existing system that's been heavily optimized for high volume and incredibly low cost? Getting good data there will likely be a lot of work. William ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Good question. I should say that I have no inside knowledge on this project, and am speaking purely as a random Wikipedian who does web stuff for a living. That's just my educated guess, both on ratios and clicks. Personally, I'd love to see more data, both as a driver for interface decisions and so that we can measure the results. But realistically, I can't hold Wikipedia to the same standards I hold my other clients. Wikipedia was run on a shoestring for years, with the main goal being survival under massive load. It's easy enough for a low-traffic startup to add decent instrumentation, but adding it to an existing system that's been heavily optimized for high volume and incredibly low cost? Getting good data there will likely be a lot of work. If you don't know something then don't say something. We're not benefited from the blah blah. Most of the super-optimization of the site is related to ensuring that users are cache hits that never make it to the backend. Proper testing is either sampled (using JS tracking code handed out to a subset of users), or in the case of things like search is simply measured purely from the backend since the front end doesn't satisfy these things. Both kinds of measurements have been done before on English Wikipedia. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
William Pietri wrote: The community of editors definitely make this place what it is, but our shared goal is to serve readers, and I think that should be paramount in our minds. Especially in situations like interface design, where a classic and incredibly common mistake is for internal stakeholders to make self-serving choices. I'm not against training wheels as default skin - who could be? I am against the New Coke presentation of such a skin as what we've all been waiting for. And if the intention is only to develop new features on Vector, then I see an actual problem. Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 20 May 2010 16:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: No, I mean actual data from the actual use of our site. Putting the search box in the same place as other popular sites is on the assumption that people will find this more familiar. But what's the actual data say about the change? I assume someone gathered some before and plans to gather some after. We have a rough proxy for use of search, I believe, by seeing the traffic to special:search. We could try seeing if this exhibits any noticeable difference after the chance. On the other hand, you could interpret any such change in about seven different ways, so it may not help much... ;-) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search suggestions are cut-off [3]. Prototypes in various languages are also available here[4]. Thanks. If it won't take too much time, could you please set up a prototype in Hebrew, to test RTL issues? I tried Arabic and it seems OK, but there are a couple of features that are unique to Hebrew. Sure thing. - Naoko -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Magnus Manske wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. How about having JavaScript increasing the size of the search box once you click it? We are actually thinking of this approach. It will not be immediate change, but wish to stage it incrementally. It would be great if you can contribute the code, Magnus. ;) - Naoko -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
On 20 May 2010 16:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:17, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org No, I mean actual data from the actual use of our site. Putting the search box in the same place as other popular sites is on the assumption that people will find this more familiar. But what's the actual data say about the change? I assume someone gathered some before and plans to gather some after. - d. The new skin is still a step backwards from classic which had a second search box at the end of the article for when you've just read an article and now want to go to another one. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Regarding the search location, we understand the inconvenience and the sense of disorientation when the frequently used tool is moved around. However, we found from the usability study that the interaction to search field/interface increased significantly when the search location was moved to the top right. Improvement of the search experience was also contributed by the improvement of the search engine (lucene), and the clean-up of the search result page where the relevant results received high-priority in ranking than missing pages or error messages. We are monitoring the search query volume before and after the Vector launch to compare if the search location change had an impact on the search query volume. We hope to publish the stats next week. Regarding the default behavior whether it should go to an article or full-text search when an enter key is hit, it is a bigger discussion. Based on the feedback during early prototype phase, we dropped the idea of reversing the search behavior to give full-text search instead of article search, as article search and serving matched article is unique to Wikimedia projects and it showcases how many topics we cover. The new search interface gives user an option to chose from the article name space or full-text search from the drop down menu. So, will you give another try? - Naoko Naoko Komura wrote: Hi, everyone. We have received problem reports and feedback that search queries were truncated sometimes and the search suggestions were hard to read or chose due to the limited width. We apologize for introducing broken behaviors in using the search. In order to mitigate spreading the problem, the new search function was disabled on May 15, and the search field was increased by fifty percent on May 18. We are aware that this temporary fix still does not accommodate the search for long article names. We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search suggestions are cut-off [3]. Prototypes in various languages are also available here[4]. Please give it a spin and let us know your feedback. If the functionality is confirmed solid, we would like to re-enable the new search feature later this week. Thanks a bunch in advance, - Naoko User Experience Programs @ WMF [1] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23498 [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23558 [4] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Prototype -- Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype
Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
