Re: [Wikimania-l] So how much Wikimania costs to the movement?

2015-08-24 Thread Lodewijk
A quick peek suggests that these are the costs for Wikimedia Deutschland,
not for the movement. It does not include the travel/accommodation/staff
costs of all the chapters that funded themselves (or even where volunteers
funded themselves). This should all be included to give a fair picture.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for bringing up the subject of financial accounting for major
 events. I would just like to note that our colleagues at Wikimedia
 Deutschland who hosted Wikimedia Conference 2015 published an accounting of
 that conference's finances just a few months after the conference (
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Budget_and_finances).
 Perhaps other events could use a similar method for budgeting and
 accounting so that other reports are also produced in a timely manner.

 Regards,
 Pine
 On Aug 23, 2015 8:04 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
 it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote:

 This is not my first email about this issue, but I really think it's
 really important. Wikimania is the highest expense for our movement. From
 the conference production cost, WMF scholarships, chapter scholarships and
 WMF and chapters delegations - amounts that is almost one million dollar,
 if not more.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania


 Wikimania 2012-2013 budgets were been published but still consider as
 draft:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013/Budget
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Budget

 If the conference organization leader can be please approve this numbers
 and remove the draft template - it will be great.

 WMCH, Affcom, WMAR and WMDE are welcome to complete their information
 regarding their delegations and scholarships given by them.

 For 2014 - we don't have any data. Not conference budget, not
 scholarships and not chapters numbers. Edward - your help will be welcome.
 I personally asked my ED to complete the information for WMIL, and I
 welcome others to do so as well.

 Ellie and the Wikimania committee - there is something we can do in order
 to take care for this pages to be update yearly?


 Thank you everyone!



 *Regards,Itzik Edri*
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Re: [Wikimania-l] So how much Wikimania costs to the movement?

2015-08-24 Thread Stuart Prior
Concur with Lodewijk, additionally in terms of number of attendees and the
amount of partner organisations and vendors involved, it's an entirely
different scale.

Wikimedia Conference is a staffed organisation running a relatively simple
event on their home-turf.
Wikimania is a mix of volunteers and the Foundation organising an
international event which has changing factors year on year.
Well done for WMDE being so prompt with the accounts, but I'm not sure it's
a methodology for budgeting  accounting which accounts for the difference
in the time it takes to produce accounts.
More the relative scale of and the resources applied to each event.

Best
Stuart
User:Battleofalma

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
wrote:

 A quick peek suggests that these are the costs for Wikimedia Deutschland,
 not for the movement. It does not include the travel/accommodation/staff
 costs of all the chapters that funded themselves (or even where volunteers
 funded themselves). This should all be included to give a fair picture.

 Best,
 Lodewijk

 On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for bringing up the subject of financial accounting for major
 events. I would just like to note that our colleagues at Wikimedia
 Deutschland who hosted Wikimedia Conference 2015 published an accounting of
 that conference's finances just a few months after the conference (
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Budget_and_finances).
 Perhaps other events could use a similar method for budgeting and
 accounting so that other reports are also produced in a timely manner.

 Regards,
 Pine
 On Aug 23, 2015 8:04 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
 it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote:

 This is not my first email about this issue, but I really think it's
 really important. Wikimania is the highest expense for our movement. From
 the conference production cost, WMF scholarships, chapter scholarships and
 WMF and chapters delegations - amounts that is almost one million dollar,
 if not more.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania


 Wikimania 2012-2013 budgets were been published but still consider as
 draft:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013/Budget
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Budget

 If the conference organization leader can be please approve this numbers
 and remove the draft template - it will be great.

 WMCH, Affcom, WMAR and WMDE are welcome to complete their information
 regarding their delegations and scholarships given by them.

 For 2014 - we don't have any data. Not conference budget, not
 scholarships and not chapters numbers. Edward - your help will be welcome.
 I personally asked my ED to complete the information for WMIL, and I
 welcome others to do so as well.

 Ellie and the Wikimania committee - there is something we can do in
 order to take care for this pages to be update yearly?


 Thank you everyone!



 *Regards,Itzik Edri*
 Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
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