Re: [Wikimania-l] Who was supposed to go through Istanbul?

[Daniel Schwen]

There apparently was an attack with two explosions and several shots.
Current numbers are about 10 people dead and 20 injured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport_attack

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 2:05 PM Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:

> Istanbul is one of the biggest hubs and Wikimania people usually go
> through Istanbul. Can travel team tell who was supposed to go through
> Istanbul and if they are safe?
>
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[Wikimania-l] Who was supposed to go through Istanbul?

[Amir Ladsgroup]

Istanbul is one of the biggest hubs and Wikimania people usually go through
Istanbul. Can travel team tell who was supposed to go through Istanbul and
if they are safe?

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Gnangarra]

fair enough

On 28 June 2016 at 20:41, Luca Martinelli  wrote:

> While I STRONGLY SUPPORT a Wikimania in Australia, this is not the
> proper thread to discuss it.
>
> Please, let's get back on topic -- how to show some love to the
> volunteers who worked their arse off for us all -- or change the topic
> of this thread, if we want to discuss the pros and cons of a Wikimania
> 2018 hosted by the Australian chapter.
>
> Cheers,
>
> L.
>
>
> 2016-06-28 14:28 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra :
> > I know for a fact she isnt as she told Andrew Owens our representative
> such
> > in Berlin
> >
> > On 28 June 2016 at 20:26, Manuel Schneider <
> manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gnangarra,
> >>
> >> it is a fact that has been in discussion a few times on this list and
> >> elsewhere that Wikimania in Australia would be a wonderful thing but
> >> something that is not likely to happen, due to the cost of getting
> >> everyone there. That said it may not be entirely impossible, but
> >> difficult.
> >>
> >> Anyway I know that Ellie Young is happy to receive any proposal you may
> >> have and do a proper due diligence on it! Get in touch with her and see
> >> if you two can work out something that is doable, despite the costs!
> >>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Luca Martinelli]

While I STRONGLY SUPPORT a Wikimania in Australia, this is not the
proper thread to discuss it.

Please, let's get back on topic -- how to show some love to the
volunteers who worked their arse off for us all -- or change the topic
of this thread, if we want to discuss the pros and cons of a Wikimania
2018 hosted by the Australian chapter.

Cheers,

L.


2016-06-28 14:28 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra :
> I know for a fact she isnt as she told Andrew Owens our representative such
> in Berlin
>
> On 28 June 2016 at 20:26, Manuel Schneider 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gnangarra,
>>
>> it is a fact that has been in discussion a few times on this list and
>> elsewhere that Wikimania in Australia would be a wonderful thing but
>> something that is not likely to happen, due to the cost of getting
>> everyone there. That said it may not be entirely impossible, but
>> difficult.
>>
>> Anyway I know that Ellie Young is happy to receive any proposal you may
>> have and do a proper due diligence on it! Get in touch with her and see
>> if you two can work out something that is doable, despite the costs!
>>
>> /Manuel
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Gnangarra]

I know for a fact she isnt as she told Andrew Owens our representative such
in Berlin

On 28 June 2016 at 20:26, Manuel Schneider 
wrote:

> Hi Gnangarra,
>
> it is a fact that has been in discussion a few times on this list and
> elsewhere that Wikimania in Australia would be a wonderful thing but
> something that is not likely to happen, due to the cost of getting
> everyone there. That said it may not be entirely impossible, but difficult.
>
> Anyway I know that Ellie Young is happy to receive any proposal you may
> have and do a proper due diligence on it! Get in touch with her and see
> if you two can work out something that is doable, despite the costs!
>
> /Manuel
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Manuel Schneider]

Hi Gnangarra,

it is a fact that has been in discussion a few times on this list and
elsewhere that Wikimania in Australia would be a wonderful thing but
something that is not likely to happen, due to the cost of getting
everyone there. That said it may not be entirely impossible, but difficult.

Anyway I know that Ellie Young is happy to receive any proposal you may
have and do a proper due diligence on it! Get in touch with her and see
if you two can work out something that is doable, despite the costs!

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Gnangarra]

Firstly Australia isnt a third world country, or a developing
country(though som eof our idiotic politicans would like it to be) its also
the primary contributor of donations from the region the third highest
region for donations to the WMF.

Esino Lario wasnt a transport hub not even a secondary hub it doesnt even
have an airport we have those in Australia you know you might also like to
know that the third oldest airlin e
and the one with the best safety record is also Australian, oh the black
boxes were an Australian invention as well.

And that wonderful WiFi everyone enjoys at Wikimanias was developed in
Australia.

When it comes to regional conference Australia is part of Asia and expected
to support programs there, ie in Berlin the WMAU representatives were told
we are to support(not negotiable, though we would have anyway) the regional
conference in Jakarta in 2017 but when it comes to Wikimania Australia isnt
part of Asia, when it comes to scholarships for Wikimania Australia is part
of Europe.. Kind of appears to us in Australia that we get shoved to where
ever we can be best excluded from the community.

On 28 June 2016 at 19:48, Manuel Schneider 
wrote:

> Hi Gnangarra,
>
> On 28.06.2016 13:16, Gnangarra wrote:
> > Thanks for the information Manuel, but where was this session
> >
> > who is working on identifying a host, where is this process taking place.
>
> the session was this one:
>
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discussions/The_future_of_Wikimania
>
> Afterwards the Wikimania Committee had a meeting, minutes will be posted
> soon as soon as they are ready and approved.
>
> The Wikimania Committee is looking for hosts right now according to the
> process decided and published last year, everything (incl. the above
> mentioned minutes) can be found on this page:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee
>
> According to the selection process Asia, or as a fallback Sub-Saharan
> Africa are the areas we are looking at. Ellie Young has already been in
> touch with candidates in Asia and has reported briefly to the Wikimania
> Committee.
> In the meeting we just had we clarified that the rotation principle, as
> laid out in the Selection Process posted on Meta, is a guideline. If
> there are no candidates we will look for a different region, just as we
> defined Sub-Saharan Africa as the backup for 2018. Please keep in mind
> that the due diligence on the candidate teams and venues is done by the
> Wikimedia Foundation, as they are actually paying for Wikimania. The
> Committee advices and tries to identify candidates according to the
> Selection Process which the WMF then assesses. We will provide
> recommendations but we cannot make the final decision.
>
> Maybe an additional word on the Selection Process.
> We saw issues with the bidding process. A lot of volunteer time is
> wasted on bids that will never make it, mainly due to the rotation
> principle that was not documented by intented by many juries.
> In order to streamline this and make the rotation principle an actual
> part of the process, we created the Selection Process. It does
> incorporate he fact that 80% of our current community is in the Americas
> and Europe, that flying between developing countries is much more
> expensive then to major hubs etc. The Selection Process still includes
> developing countries and all major continents but on a basis of "every
> other year", to balance the different criteria and the intention for
> cheap and efficient on the one hand and a global conference with
> outreach in areas we've never been to on the other.
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Manuel Schneider]

Hi Gnangarra,

On 28.06.2016 13:16, Gnangarra wrote:
> Thanks for the information Manuel, but where was this session
> 
> who is working on identifying a host, where is this process taking place. 

the session was this one:

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discussions/The_future_of_Wikimania

Afterwards the Wikimania Committee had a meeting, minutes will be posted
soon as soon as they are ready and approved.

The Wikimania Committee is looking for hosts right now according to the
process decided and published last year, everything (incl. the above
mentioned minutes) can be found on this page:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee

According to the selection process Asia, or as a fallback Sub-Saharan
Africa are the areas we are looking at. Ellie Young has already been in
touch with candidates in Asia and has reported briefly to the Wikimania
Committee.
In the meeting we just had we clarified that the rotation principle, as
laid out in the Selection Process posted on Meta, is a guideline. If
there are no candidates we will look for a different region, just as we
defined Sub-Saharan Africa as the backup for 2018. Please keep in mind
that the due diligence on the candidate teams and venues is done by the
Wikimedia Foundation, as they are actually paying for Wikimania. The
Committee advices and tries to identify candidates according to the
Selection Process which the WMF then assesses. We will provide
recommendations but we cannot make the final decision.

Maybe an additional word on the Selection Process.
We saw issues with the bidding process. A lot of volunteer time is
wasted on bids that will never make it, mainly due to the rotation
principle that was not documented by intented by many juries.
In order to streamline this and make the rotation principle an actual
part of the process, we created the Selection Process. It does
incorporate he fact that 80% of our current community is in the Americas
and Europe, that flying between developing countries is much more
expensive then to major hubs etc. The Selection Process still includes
developing countries and all major continents but on a basis of "every
other year", to balance the different criteria and the intention for
cheap and efficient on the one hand and a global conference with
outreach in areas we've never been to on the other.

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[Wikimania-l] Gong bath videotape?

[Deborah Tankersley]

Hi all,

I was part of the 'gong bath' demonstration
,
on this past Sunday evening in Esino Lario during Wikimania. There was a
videotaping of it and I was curious if it has been uploaded yet, or will be
uploaded somewhere?

We had that huge storm with hail and lightning and thunder going on at the
same time and I was wondering if all those sounds combined with the gongs
were captured, because it was really cool to experience it!

Cheers,

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Gnangarra]

Thanks for the information Manuel, but where was this session

who is working on identifying a host, where is this process taking place.

Having twice worked on unsuccessful bids one of which the process was
usurped for Montreal, which has the Western Australian Government offering
hundreds of thousands of dollars on supporting the event(airfares,
venue(2500 capacity), sponsorship) plus the support of 2 universities here
thanks to the work I did on the bid for 2017 it'd be nice to be able to put
forward this information to someone who is actually doing the identifying
of a host

On 28 June 2016 at 16:11, Lodewijk  wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying, Manuel. I hope that you'll be able to keep us
> updated through the process, and not just when it finalizes. (i.e. what
> steps are planned, etc).
>
> I'm confident that notes are being processed though, so I should be
> patient!
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-06-28 9:38 GMT+02:00 Manuel Schneider 
> :
>
>> Hi Gnangarra,
>>
>> On 28.06.2016 03:04, Gnangarra wrote:
>> > Great idea, also send one to the WMF if you want wikimania to continue
>> > beyond Montreal, because if you start fighting for it now there wont be
>> > one in 2018 to bring the whole of our community together, there wont be
>> > the opportunity for other to experience the global sharing of knowledge
>> > that you just experienced
>>
>> I am sorry to see that there is the impression there won't be a
>> Wikimania beyond 2017.
>> As a member of the Wikimania Comittee I can assure you that we are
>> working on identifying a host for 2018 right now.
>>
>> There has been a community survey whether Wikimania should only happen
>> every two years, but as was clarified during the "Future of Wikimania"
>> session this is not going to happen.
>> Nevertheless, there was never the intention that Wikimania 2017 would be
>> the last one.
>>
>> Hope this helps clearing up things,
>> all the best,
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Lodewijk]

Thanks for clarifying, Manuel. I hope that you'll be able to keep us
updated through the process, and not just when it finalizes. (i.e. what
steps are planned, etc).

I'm confident that notes are being processed though, so I should be
patient!

Best,
Lodewijk

2016-06-28 9:38 GMT+02:00 Manuel Schneider :

> Hi Gnangarra,
>
> On 28.06.2016 03:04, Gnangarra wrote:
> > Great idea, also send one to the WMF if you want wikimania to continue
> > beyond Montreal, because if you start fighting for it now there wont be
> > one in 2018 to bring the whole of our community together, there wont be
> > the opportunity for other to experience the global sharing of knowledge
> > that you just experienced
>
> I am sorry to see that there is the impression there won't be a
> Wikimania beyond 2017.
> As a member of the Wikimania Comittee I can assure you that we are
> working on identifying a host for 2018 right now.
>
> There has been a community survey whether Wikimania should only happen
> every two years, but as was clarified during the "Future of Wikimania"
> session this is not going to happen.
> Nevertheless, there was never the intention that Wikimania 2017 would be
> the last one.
>
> Hope this helps clearing up things,
> all the best,
>
>
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[Manuel Schneider]

Hi Gnangarra,

On 28.06.2016 03:04, Gnangarra wrote:
> Great idea, also send one to the WMF if you want wikimania to continue
> beyond Montreal, because if you start fighting for it now there wont be
> one in 2018 to bring the whole of our community together, there wont be
> the opportunity for other to experience the global sharing of knowledge
> that you just experienced

I am sorry to see that there is the impression there won't be a
Wikimania beyond 2017.
As a member of the Wikimania Comittee I can assure you that we are
working on identifying a host for 2018 right now.

There has been a community survey whether Wikimania should only happen
every two years, but as was clarified during the "Future of Wikimania"
session this is not going to happen.
Nevertheless, there was never the intention that Wikimania 2017 would be
the last one.

Hope this helps clearing up things,
all the best,


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Anyone leaving Tuesday?

[Orsolya Virág Gyenes]

Sorry but just for confirmation: big Apple is at the train station or
downtown?
2016. jún. 27. 23:49 ezt írta ("Harry Mitchell" ):

Mike Peel, Chris McKenna, and I are staying in Milan. We'd love to meet up.
There's a great big Apple outside Centrale station that could be a good
meeting point. Meet there say between 12 and 1230? I have a "Wikipedia
editor" hat so I'll wear that and we'll try and wear Wikipedia / Wikimania
t shirts.

Harry

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On Mon, 27 Jun, 2016 at 23:08, Rohini Lakshané
 wrote:

I'm in Milano on Tuesday and Wednesday.
On 27 Jun 2016 10:55 p.m., "Orsolya Virág Gyenes" 
wrote:

> I'll be at Milano centrale train station around noon.
>
> Where can we meet?
> 2016. jún. 27. 21:49 ezt írta ("Romaine Wiki" ):
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I think I will be in Milan on Tuesday and I am open for a meeting with
>> local Wikimedians and beyond.
>>
>> Romaine
>>
>> Op maandag 27 juni 2016 heeft Pharos  het
>> volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> I will also be in Milan Tuesday, though travelling to Milan today
>>> (Monday).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard
>>> (User:Pharos)
>>> Wikimedia NYC
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Harry Mitchell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Three of us Brits will be in Milan for Tuesday. You'd be welcome to
 join us in wandering around or just for a drink. We're taking the train
 tomorrow  (Monday) though.

 Harry

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 Hi Folks,

 Is there anyone who is leaving to Milan on Tuesday morning from
 Esino/Verenna?

 I would be so happy to be accompanied with some of you on the train
 trip. I've never been to Milan before, it would be nice to discover it with
 fellow Wikimedians. :-)

 Let me know, if you are interested.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Gabriel Thullen]

An excellent idea! We can send thank you cards to the adult volunteers, but
we must do something collectively for all the student volunteers. It is
obvious that the organizers cannot give out the addresses of minors, so the
best way to express our thanks to all those wonderful kids would be to use
the address given.

Warmest greetings to all
Gabriel

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Great idea, also send one to the WMF if you want wikimania to continue
> beyond Montreal, because if you start fighting for it now there wont be one
> in 2018 to bring the whole of our community together, there wont be the
> opportunity for other to experience the global sharing of knowledge that
> you just experienced
>
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> On 28 June 2016 at 05:05, Erik Moeller  wrote:
>
>> 2016-06-26 11:37 GMT+02:00 Barbara Fischer > >:
>> > When you come home, sit down and take your time to wirte a real
>> postcard put
>> > a stamp on it, say mille gracie in your language and sen it to following
>> > address:
>> >
>> > Wikimania
>> >
>> > c/o Comune de Esino
>> > P.za Pietro Pensa
>> > I- 23825 Esino Lario (LC)
>> > Italy
>>
>> Brilliant idea, will do. Until then -- many, many thanks/mille grazie
>> to the organizing team and to _everyone_ involved for a wonderful,
>> unforgettable Wikimania in an amazing environment. :-) A beautiful
>> demonstration of the spirit of community, both by the Wikimedia
>> movement and by the whole town of Esino Lario. See you in
>> Montreal/Montréal!
>>
>> Warmly,
>>
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