Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Andrew Lih]

GN,

While I understand where you are coming from (ie. Wikipedia as the more
recognizable name to the public) it would seem to be a poor time to portray
the gathering as just Wikipedia-centric, especially with the rise of
Wikidata as a major force in more things we are doing, such as Wikimedia
Commons.

The best solution may be somewhere in the middle, where conference adopts a
subtitle that includes “Wikipedia” prominently, in order to make it more
SEO friendly.

-Andrew


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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> To quote C. Scott Ananian
>
>> I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and
>> still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's
>> version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever
>> subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
>
>
> maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most
> identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project
> in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on
> Wikipedia activity.  It could it be that when talk about reducing the size
> of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on
> individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity
> already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference
> wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would
> give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it
> the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work
> in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact
> externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved,
> it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the
> ability to focus on the local language as a key platform
>
> The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to
> enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement
>
> A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright,
> personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of
> sponsors  Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons
> conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at
> a Wikimania.
>
> each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually,
> even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with
> scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from
> attending
>
> Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is
> isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the
> funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues
> about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are
> lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.
>
> On 8 November 2016 at 07:04, C. Scott Ananian 
> wrote:
>
>> Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days.
>>  "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks.
>> And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
>>
>> If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO
>> "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full.  That's
>> what we're most known for.
>>   --scott
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac <
>> reachout2is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
>>> nemow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:

> Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general
> public.
>

 Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)

 Nemo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Hélène Pedrosa-Masson]

Hello!

I would be very sad if Wikimania was to become only a Wikipedia 
Conference. I enjoyed the 2 Wikimanias I went to, because I could hear 
about different projects and imagine interactions between them. I think 
that Wikimedia projects can thrieve with help of the others and hope 
that we won't build more barriers betwen them as there already are!


As for the name, "Wikimania" doesn't seem offensive to me, but English 
is not my maternal language (French is). Perhaps it isn't descriptive 
enough for outsiders, but do we really want a lot of non-wikimedians at 
Wikimania? I presume this will be one of the questions that are to be 
discussed concerning Wikimania's future and goals.


Best regards,

--

Edhral


Le 08/11/2016 à 01:07, Gnangarra a écrit :

To quote C. Scott Ananian

I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia
projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which
suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global
wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too
far off.


maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most 
identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other 
project in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias 
are focused on Wikipedia activity.  It could it be that when talk 
about reducing the size of Wikimania we could look in an alternative 
direction and focus on individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become 
a separate identity already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt 
saying that the conference wouldnt cover or cater for other projects 
as it already does but it would give us something broader to sell to 
the sponsors, venues etc by calling it the Wikipedia Conference it 
could then focus on the 300 languages, the work in the incubator, it 
would also create a greater immediate impact externally and encourage 
more people to come learn more and get involved, it'd be sellable to 
GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the ability to focus on 
the local language as a key platform


The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to 
enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement


A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright, 
personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new 
world of sponsors  Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker 
at a Commons conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every 
other attendee at a Wikimania.


each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, 
bi-annually, even one in four years choose locations that suit its own 
aims with scholarships for those that the community would really 
benefit from attending


Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is 
isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the 
funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key 
issues about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the 
community are lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of 
each project.




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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Gnangarra]

To quote C. Scott Ananian

> I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and
> still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's
> version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever
> subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.


maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most
identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project
in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on
Wikipedia activity.  It could it be that when talk about reducing the size
of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on
individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity
already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference
wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would
give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it
the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work
in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact
externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved,
it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the
ability to focus on the local language as a key platform

The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to enable
more attendees focused as it already is on the movement

A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright,
personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of
sponsors  Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons
conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at
a Wikimania.

each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually,
even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with
scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from
attending

Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is
isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the
funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues
about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are
lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.

On 8 November 2016 at 07:04, C. Scott Ananian 
wrote:

> Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days.
>  "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks.
> And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
>
> If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO
> "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full.  That's
> what we're most known for.
>   --scott
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac <
> reachout2is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > > wrote:
>>
>>> Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
>>>
 Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general
 public.

>>>
>>> Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
>>>
>>> Nemo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[C. Scott Ananian]

Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days.  "Wikiconference"
isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks.   And there are
plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...

If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO
"Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full.  That's
what we're most known for.
  --scott

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac <
reachout2is...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
>
> Best,
>
> Isaac
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> wrote:
>
>> Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
>>
>>> Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general
>>> public.
>>>
>>
>> Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
>>
>> Nemo
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[olatunde olalekan isaac]

Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".

Best,

Isaac

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
>
>> Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general
>> public.
>>
>
> Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
>
> Nemo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:

Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.


Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Olatunde Isaac]

One might argue that Wikimedia is more appropriate considering the fact that 
the conference is not only about Wikipedia but the truth is, non-Wikipedians 
(my employer for example) have no idea of what Wikimedia means. Thus, it would 
be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public. 

Best,

Isaac
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Pine W]

Pinging Zach in WMF Communications to ask for comment about branding in
general, and Wikipedia vs Wikimedia in particular.

Pine


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:57 AM, C. Scott Ananian 
wrote:

> I apologize if this is a bit of a hand grenade in the discussion, but:
>
> If we are really concerned with third parties understanding what our
> conference is about, we should really use "Wikipedia" in the title and
> avoid the use of "Wikimedia".  The general public really has no clue what
> Wikimedia means.  If you just use "Wiki-" they think "Wikileaks".  That's
> just the place we are at right now.
>
> I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and
> still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's
> version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever
> subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
>
> I suspect that it's just plain hard to come up with a short name which
> captures the entire intended scope of the conference (the "Wikipedia and
> Related Projects Conference"?), and so a short name that tries instead of
> capture the "fun" aspect (which is what -mania connotes to most of us) is a
> reasonable alternative.
>   --scott
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Lih  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> - The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely
>> entity that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name
>> change. Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a
>> revamp in the near future.
>>
>> - We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we
>> don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes
>> around the name.
>>
>> -Andrew
>>
>>
>> -Andrew Lih
>> Associate professor of journalism, American University
>> Email: and...@andrewlih.com
>> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
>> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
>> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W
>> ikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>>
>>> ​*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the
 task of eventually solving this?*

>>>
>>> ​Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
>>>
>>> Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all
>>> community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let
>>> the community decide.
>>> _
>>> *​Béria L​. de Rodríguez*
>>>
>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>>> construir esse sonho.*
>>>
>>> 2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli :
>>>
 OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.

 ​​
 Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
 question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
 the task of eventually solving this?

 L.

 Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha
 scritto:

 Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called
 it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.


> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it
> may be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time
> off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>


 On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>
>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>
>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[C. Scott Ananian]

I apologize if this is a bit of a hand grenade in the discussion, but:

If we are really concerned with third parties understanding what our
conference is about, we should really use "Wikipedia" in the title and
avoid the use of "Wikimedia".  The general public really has no clue what
Wikimedia means.  If you just use "Wiki-" they think "Wikileaks".  That's
just the place we are at right now.

I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and
still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's
version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever
subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.

I suspect that it's just plain hard to come up with a short name which
captures the entire intended scope of the conference (the "Wikipedia and
Related Projects Conference"?), and so a short name that tries instead of
capture the "fun" aspect (which is what -mania connotes to most of us) is a
reasonable alternative.
  --scott

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Lih  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> - The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely entity
> that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name change.
> Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a revamp in
> the near future.
>
> - We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we
> don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes
> around the name.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
> -Andrew Lih
> Associate professor of journalism, American University
> Email: and...@andrewlih.com
> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>
>> ​*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the
>>> task of eventually solving this?*
>>>
>>
>> ​Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
>>
>> Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all
>> community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let
>> the community decide.
>> _
>> *​Béria L​. de Rodríguez*
>>
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho.*
>>
>> 2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli :
>>
>>> OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
>>>
>>> ​​
>>> Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
>>> question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
>>> the task of eventually solving this?
>>>
>>> L.
>>>
>>> Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
>>> "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
>>>
>>>
 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it
 may be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time
 off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.

>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly 
 wrote:

>
>
> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>
> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

- The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely entity
that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name change.
Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a revamp in
the near future.

- We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we
don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes
around the name.

-Andrew


-Andrew Lih
Associate professor of journalism, American University
Email: and...@andrewlih.com
WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima  wrote:

> ​*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the task
>> of eventually solving this?*
>>
>
> ​Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
>
> Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all
> community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let
> the community decide.
> _
> *​Béria L​. de Rodríguez*
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho.*
>
> 2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli :
>
>> OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
>>
>> ​​
>> Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
>> question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
>> the task of eventually solving this?
>>
>> L.
>>
>> Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:
>>
>> Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
>> "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
>>
>>
>>> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
>>> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
>>> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania

 Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?

 Gordo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Béria Lima]

>
> ​*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the task
> of eventually solving this?*
>

​Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?

Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all
community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let
the community decide.
_
*​Béria L​. de Rodríguez*

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livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho.*

2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli :

> OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
>
> ​​
> Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
> question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
> the task of eventually solving this?
>
> L.
>
> Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:
>
> Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
> "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
>
>
>> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
>> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
>> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>>
>>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>>
>>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Ellie Young]

I concur with Asaf and Lodewijk's emails.

For the past few years when I have had to 'pitch' Wikimania to potential
sponsors and also when dealing with hotel, convention centers, tourism
boards and the like, I have always emphasized that Wikimania (which is
pretty puzzling for most outsiders...) is the international conference for
the Wikipedia/wikimedia community.  That always seems to satisfy/clarify it
for most people (and a chuckle  ...)

Not to change the subject ;-), but I get more questions about the Wikimedia
Conference (which probably should have the word affiliate in it) as people
are confused about it being Wikimania, how does it differ,  that it is by
invitation, etc.  I know we've tried in the past to get some traction about
changing its name, but that doesn't seem to go anywhere

Ellie




On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Lodewijk 
wrote:

> The question would also be:
> - is this a significant problem
> - Do we wánt to solve this problem (what is our targeted audience)
> - Are there other ways to achieve the same (When I had to pitch Wikimania
> as a conference with potential partners in the Amsterdam 2010 bid, we
> always used a subtitle - which worked fine. People actually appreciated a
> more unique brand/name)
> - finally, are there any benefits to keeping Wikimania as a name
>
> I see how one can make a case - but without addressing all these
> questions, such case is imho not complete.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-11-07 15:08 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli :
>
>> OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
>>
>> Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
>> question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
>> the task of eventually solving this?
>>
>> L.
>>
>> Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:
>>
>> Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
>> "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
>>
>>
>>> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
>>> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
>>> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania

 Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?

 Gordo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Lodewijk]

The question would also be:
- is this a significant problem
- Do we wánt to solve this problem (what is our targeted audience)
- Are there other ways to achieve the same (When I had to pitch Wikimania
as a conference with potential partners in the Amsterdam 2010 bid, we
always used a subtitle - which worked fine. People actually appreciated a
more unique brand/name)
- finally, are there any benefits to keeping Wikimania as a name

I see how one can make a case - but without addressing all these questions,
such case is imho not complete.

Lodewijk

2016-11-07 15:08 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli :

> OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
>
> Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
> question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
> the task of eventually solving this?
>
> L.
>
> Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:
>
> Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
> "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
>
>
>> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
>> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
>> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>>
>>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>>
>>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Luca Martinelli]

OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.

Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
the task of eventually solving this?

L.

Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:

Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
"The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.


> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>


On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>
>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Edward Saperia]

Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
"The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.


> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>


On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
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>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
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>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
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