Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
I do agree that it should be great to have a transparent way to elect the jury, but people, let's at least take the word or the people who commented here. The ones who come here and said I do work for a wikimedia org, but I'm in the jury as a volunteer. Why do not believe in then? Most of then (the ones I know about) are long standing volunteers so it IS possible that was because of that they were chosen. If the criteria were open would be better and we wouldnt have that questions, yes. But let's try to keep civil with the people who DID volunteer to be members of the jury. _ *Béria L. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2014-10-10 7:48 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: The conclusion in response to Itzik's original question how the current jury was elected and by who, is that the Wikimania jury is not elected, it was selected by a WMF employee against unpublished and presumably undefined criteria. Sadly, there are no plans or commitment by the WMF to change or improve this process to make it transparent or volunteer-centric. We also know that at least 5 out of 7 members of the jury have been employees. It may be more, but there has been no reply to this question. It is disturbing that asking questions of governance is being parodied as referring to jury members as second class citizens. Nobody apart from a member of the jury has made such a ridiculous statement. Being an employee is not something that should be hidden or kept secret. The community should be free to ask questions about the balance of volunteers in an important jury with responsibility for how several hundred thousand dollars of donated funds gets spent in order to ensure a healthy balance of viewpoints. Having basic governance questions marginalized and parodied by the jury is a disappointing demonstration of how transparency and accountability will be handled for future Wikimania events. It is obvious that improvement is needed. It would be great to see commitment to change, rather than just defence of the status quo. Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Based on a prompt from Itzik, I checked the archives of wikimania-l (which I was not subscribed to). There is a message from Stuart Prior there with a very brief summary of background of jury members which I was unaware of and it may have been intended as a response to my question. Refer to https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2014-October/006418.html. For those that do subscribe to wikimania-l, please keep in mind that most readers of wikimedia-l do not see your responses unless you post here, and that posts from non-subscribers to wikimania-l get bounced. Thanks, Fae On 10 October 2014 11:48, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: The conclusion in response to Itzik's original question how the current jury was elected and by who, is that the Wikimania jury is not elected, it was selected by a WMF employee against unpublished and presumably undefined criteria. Sadly, there are no plans or commitment by the WMF to change or improve this process to make it transparent or volunteer-centric. We also know that at least 5 out of 7 members of the jury have been employees. It may be more, but there has been no reply to this question. It is disturbing that asking questions of governance is being parodied as referring to jury members as second class citizens. Nobody apart from a member of the jury has made such a ridiculous statement. Being an employee is not something that should be hidden or kept secret. The community should be free to ask questions about the balance of volunteers in an important jury with responsibility for how several hundred thousand dollars of donated funds gets spent in order to ensure a healthy balance of viewpoints. Having basic governance questions marginalized and parodied by the jury is a disappointing demonstration of how transparency and accountability will be handled for future Wikimania events. It is obvious that improvement is needed. It would be great to see commitment to change, rather than just defence of the status quo. Fae ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
If you're interested in discussing the future of Wikimania, perhaps it makes sense to do that on the dedicated list? Just a wild thought. Best, Lodewijk 2014-10-10 13:25 GMT+02:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: Based on a prompt from Itzik, I checked the archives of wikimania-l (which I was not subscribed to). There is a message from Stuart Prior there with a very brief summary of background of jury members which I was unaware of and it may have been intended as a response to my question. Refer to https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2014-October/006418.html . For those that do subscribe to wikimania-l, please keep in mind that most readers of wikimedia-l do not see your responses unless you post here, and that posts from non-subscribers to wikimania-l get bounced. Thanks, Fae On 10 October 2014 11:48, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: The conclusion in response to Itzik's original question how the current jury was elected and by who, is that the Wikimania jury is not elected, it was selected by a WMF employee against unpublished and presumably undefined criteria. Sadly, there are no plans or commitment by the WMF to change or improve this process to make it transparent or volunteer-centric. We also know that at least 5 out of 7 members of the jury have been employees. It may be more, but there has been no reply to this question. It is disturbing that asking questions of governance is being parodied as referring to jury members as second class citizens. Nobody apart from a member of the jury has made such a ridiculous statement. Being an employee is not something that should be hidden or kept secret. The community should be free to ask questions about the balance of volunteers in an important jury with responsibility for how several hundred thousand dollars of donated funds gets spent in order to ensure a healthy balance of viewpoints. Having basic governance questions marginalized and parodied by the jury is a disappointing demonstration of how transparency and accountability will be handled for future Wikimania events. It is obvious that improvement is needed. It would be great to see commitment to change, rather than just defence of the status quo. Fae ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Fæ, 10/10/2014 16:44: [...] a WMF employee make community decisions for us (such as appointing the Jury [...] I've not inspected the facts in detail, but as far as I could understand this is NOT what happened, so it's a bit annoying to hear you repeat it continuously. I added a summary to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_jury some days ago and I encourage everyone to edit it (with references, where controversial). I'm sure it will be easier to discuss productively once we've agreed upon the essential facts. Nemo ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting with interest to see Fae's comprehensive proposal for reforming the process. Once that proposal has been offered, anyone interested can comment on whether it is an improvement to the current process. If the consensus is that it is, great! If not, then we can move on. If no proposal for change is offered, then there isn't much to discuss. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
That seems rather unfair. Fæ is raising some valid points about how this process has taken place this year, which are worth addressing. Dismissing concerns unless there is a comprehensive proposal for reform seems like a reduction to bureaucracy… Thanks, Mike On 10 Oct 2014, at 18:26, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting with interest to see Fae's comprehensive proposal for reforming the process. Once that proposal has been offered, anyone interested can comment on whether it is an improvement to the current process. If the consensus is that it is, great! If not, then we can move on. If no proposal for change is offered, then there isn't much to discuss. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Hey Manuel, Thank you for the response. Transparency is always good - and this case really shows why. While Ellie didn't respond and answered the question how people been elected, and summarize her answer to: We have a system that works for jury selection. Your side and answer shows a whole different point of view. The system seem far away from working correctly. The fact that above the movement biggest *community* event there is a jury who most his members are paid staff, who been selected by a WMF staffer. This is not a decision by a committee, as the committee, as you describe is only been asked for feedback - and that should be clear. I hope next year process will be much more community and much more transparent. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Hi Itzik et al, I think I should weigh in, having been part of this selection. I am just currently travelling, so I don't follow the mailinglists at the moment. In the past the jury was selected by a moderator - we had Joseph Seddon, James Forrester and others sending out the invitations and reminders, collecting the applications, making a selection and announcing it. From that point on the jury took on the work. Now we have a Wikimania Committee which so far has not yet found its mode to work - it only took one decision so far, and that was re-defining the bidding schedule to give more time to organise - Ellie and me were looking to move forward with the coming bidding process. The only process we actually had was said reviewed and rescheduled timeline. As we were actually already approaching the approved deadlines without anyone acting up, I took initiative to put the new timeline together on Meta, send out and invitation and had all applications going to Ellie. I also sent out reminders before the deadline, so everyone should have been informed and was invited to participate. Ellie made a pre-selection which I reviewed and discussed with her, after some slight adjustments I brought the selection forward the Wikimania Committee, asking for feedback. We received one response from someone who wanted to be included which Ellie denied with good arguments as we need this person take responsibility in other areas (eg. strengthen the Committee). After all selected persons agreed to become the new Jury I sent out the announcement. I agree that we need a better process but I do not see that this year's process was any worse than before, in the opposite - there have been more people involved and able to voice their opinions. What we actually need is a Wikimania Committee which lives up to its expectations, actually have meetings (and minutes), which can define such processes. There have been several changes, also with Ellie coming in, and everything is done on a volunteer basis. Things are slow. What I do not accept are critisms on processes from people who didn't actually participate in the same, even though they were invited to do so. Regards, Manuel -- Manuel Schneider - Chief Information Officer Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 340 66 22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
When I read the responses, I read sth slightly different: the process seems fine, the way it was executed much from fine. A committee can't be effective when its members are inactive. Perhaps it would be good to reconsider its makeup or commitments, especially as it is also responsible for overviewing the organizing team... Best, lodewijk On Oct 7, 2014 9:43 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote: Hey Manuel, Thank you for the response. Transparency is always good - and this case really shows why. While Ellie didn't respond and answered the question how people been elected, and summarize her answer to: We have a system that works for jury selection. Your side and answer shows a whole different point of view. The system seem far away from working correctly. The fact that above the movement biggest *community* event there is a jury who most his members are paid staff, who been selected by a WMF staffer. This is not a decision by a committee, as the committee, as you describe is only been asked for feedback - and that should be clear. I hope next year process will be much more community and much more transparent. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Hi Itzik et al, I think I should weigh in, having been part of this selection. I am just currently travelling, so I don't follow the mailinglists at the moment. In the past the jury was selected by a moderator - we had Joseph Seddon, James Forrester and others sending out the invitations and reminders, collecting the applications, making a selection and announcing it. From that point on the jury took on the work. Now we have a Wikimania Committee which so far has not yet found its mode to work - it only took one decision so far, and that was re-defining the bidding schedule to give more time to organise - Ellie and me were looking to move forward with the coming bidding process. The only process we actually had was said reviewed and rescheduled timeline. As we were actually already approaching the approved deadlines without anyone acting up, I took initiative to put the new timeline together on Meta, send out and invitation and had all applications going to Ellie. I also sent out reminders before the deadline, so everyone should have been informed and was invited to participate. Ellie made a pre-selection which I reviewed and discussed with her, after some slight adjustments I brought the selection forward the Wikimania Committee, asking for feedback. We received one response from someone who wanted to be included which Ellie denied with good arguments as we need this person take responsibility in other areas (eg. strengthen the Committee). After all selected persons agreed to become the new Jury I sent out the announcement. I agree that we need a better process but I do not see that this year's process was any worse than before, in the opposite - there have been more people involved and able to voice their opinions. What we actually need is a Wikimania Committee which lives up to its expectations, actually have meetings (and minutes), which can define such processes. There have been several changes, also with Ellie coming in, and everything is done on a volunteer basis. Things are slow. What I do not accept are critisms on processes from people who didn't actually participate in the same, even though they were invited to do so. Regards, Manuel -- Manuel Schneider - Chief Information Officer Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 340 66 22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
With the greatest of respect, everyone, can we please remember that I'm volunteering for this. I'm not paid to do it. It's out of my own time, the sametime in which I edit Wikipedia. Who my employer is doesn't (and shouldn't, in my opinion) enter into it. I don't have to volunteer for the jury - I volunteer for another non-Wikimedia organisation who would love me to spend 40+ hours with them instead. I volunteer for Wikimedia because I have done so consistently for ten years - and I've only been employed by them for three of those. If you're worried that I will unfairly support the point of view of my employer, I can assure you that that's not the case. The various jury meetings are in camera, so my employer doesn't get to find out what my opinion on these things are, and they can't censure me for it. And I do disagree with my employer on certain things - and my employer respects my right to disagree with them. They're a pretty decent employer like that. It feels a little bit like I'm being referred to as a second class volunteer. I know that isn't the case - but it feels that way, It feels a little bit like my volunteer hours are worth less than everyone else's just because of who pays my salary. I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* Ellie, I don't think We have a system that works for jury selection is appropriate answer. I just asked how and by who, not but it strange for me that this simple question is been unanswered. Adding to my first email, now that I familiar more with the jury members - from one hand I'm happy to see know we have a great and talented jury, but from second hand, a little bit strange feeling that the jury members of the major and the biggest community event within our movement are paid staff from wmf/chapters. I see our staff as an integral part of the movement, but still - we don't have any committee, especially when we are talking about Wikimania, that staff are such a major part of the committee. So yes, this just reinforces the fact that requires a bit more detailed answer to the question - how they are selected. Thank you, and thanks for all the people that volunteered for this year jury. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have a system that works for jury selection. What I would STRONGLY like to encourage people in the community to do is seek out prospective people who would be good hosts and work with me on preparing a bid. That is is our biggest need! The CFP was posted earlier this month. Thank you all. Ellie On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to compose the jury like they do every year. (I do might had missed though so is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.) _ *Béria L. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question: Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who? Richard Symonds Stuart Prior Claudia Garad Esteban Zarate Daniel Bryant Finne Boonen Ellie Young Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at unpaid volunteers. It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
On 07/10/14 09:22, Richard Symonds wrote: I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* Can I suggest a non WMUK email address (and signature) for your posts as a volunteer? Gordo ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Of course - my apologies! I'm replying from the lift at work and forgot I was logged into my staff account on my phone, rather than my work one! For the avoidance of doubt, it's chasemew...@gmail.com and I should have sent from that :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 7 October 2014 11:56, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 07/10/14 09:22, Richard Symonds wrote: I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* Can I suggest a non WMUK email address (and signature) for your posts as a volunteer? Gordo ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Hi all, Just to clarify, as the impression we're getting from the conversation so far is that it's a staff jury. This is not really the case if you look at the members. Esteban: Board member of Wikimedia Argentina 6 years volunteering Daniel: Volunteer 8 years volunteering Finne: Volunteer /Experience organising a Wikimania/8 years volunteering Claudia: Senior chapter staff Richard: Chapter staff/just helped deliver a Wikimania/10 years volunteering Me: Chapter contractor/Just organised a Wikimania Ellie: WMF contractor/Just organised a Wikimania Now, I don't want to speak for the above, but with 34 years of volunteering between the jury + some strong practical experience of delivering such an event, + gender balance + location, that seems like a reasonable jury selection to me. For my part, as with Richard, I don't see my role fundraising for WMUK as a COI as it's just a job. I volunteer my time to train new editors and support Wikimedia events already and I don't represent Wikimedia UK on this jury. Gordon, as you quite rightly pointed out, I'll use my personal email address going forward. prior_stu...@me.com Thanks S On 7 October 2014 11:56, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 07/10/14 09:22, Richard Symonds wrote: I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* Can I suggest a non WMUK email address (and signature) for your posts as a volunteer? Gordo ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Stuart Prior* *Wikimania Liaison* *Wikimedia UK* +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
As someone who has previously chosen a jury. The most important factors were experience of wikimania, experience of other events and geographic distribution. Affiliation and role were basically hair splitting factors where volunteers were closely matched in terms of the main three factors. Seddon On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Stuart Prior stuart.pr...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Just to clarify, as the impression we're getting from the conversation so far is that it's a staff jury. This is not really the case if you look at the members. Esteban: Board member of Wikimedia Argentina 6 years volunteering Daniel: Volunteer 8 years volunteering Finne: Volunteer /Experience organising a Wikimania/8 years volunteering Claudia: Senior chapter staff Richard: Chapter staff/just helped deliver a Wikimania/10 years volunteering Me: Chapter contractor/Just organised a Wikimania Ellie: WMF contractor/Just organised a Wikimania Now, I don't want to speak for the above, but with 34 years of volunteering between the jury + some strong practical experience of delivering such an event, + gender balance + location, that seems like a reasonable jury selection to me. For my part, as with Richard, I don't see my role fundraising for WMUK as a COI as it's just a job. I volunteer my time to train new editors and support Wikimedia events already and I don't represent Wikimedia UK on this jury. Gordon, as you quite rightly pointed out, I'll use my personal email address going forward. prior_stu...@me.com Thanks S On 7 October 2014 11:56, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 07/10/14 09:22, Richard Symonds wrote: I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* Can I suggest a non WMUK email address (and signature) for your posts as a volunteer? Gordo ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Stuart Prior* *Wikimania Liaison* *Wikimedia UK* +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Ellie, I don't think We have a system that works for jury selection is appropriate answer. I just asked how and by who, not but it strange for me that this simple question is been unanswered. Adding to my first email, now that I familiar more with the jury members - from one hand I'm happy to see know we have a great and talented jury, but from second hand, a little bit strange feeling that the jury members of the major and the biggest community event within our movement are paid staff from wmf/chapters. I see our staff as an integral part of the movement, but still - we don't have any committee, especially when we are talking about Wikimania, that staff are such a major part of the committee. So yes, this just reinforces the fact that requires a bit more detailed answer to the question - how they are selected. Thank you, and thanks for all the people that volunteered for this year jury. Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have a system that works for jury selection. What I would STRONGLY like to encourage people in the community to do is seek out prospective people who would be good hosts and work with me on preparing a bid. That is is our biggest need! The CFP was posted earlier this month. Thank you all. Ellie On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to compose the jury like they do every year. (I do might had missed though so is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.) _ *Béria L. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question: Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who? Richard Symonds Stuart Prior Claudia Garad Esteban Zarate Daniel Bryant Finne Boonen Ellie Young Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at unpaid volunteers. It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Hi Itzik et al, I think I should weigh in, having been part of this selection. I am just currently travelling, so I don't follow the mailinglists at the moment. In the past the jury was selected by a moderator - we had Joseph Seddon, James Forrester and others sending out the invitations and reminders, collecting the applications, making a selection and announcing it. From that point on the jury took on the work. Now we have a Wikimania Committee which so far has not yet found its mode to work - it only took one decision so far, and that was re-defining the bidding schedule to give more time to organise - Ellie and me were looking to move forward with the coming bidding process. The only process we actually had was said reviewed and rescheduled timeline. As we were actually already approaching the approved deadlines without anyone acting up, I took initiative to put the new timeline together on Meta, send out and invitation and had all applications going to Ellie. I also sent out reminders before the deadline, so everyone should have been informed and was invited to participate. Ellie made a pre-selection which I reviewed and discussed with her, after some slight adjustments I brought the selection forward the Wikimania Committee, asking for feedback. We received one response from someone who wanted to be included which Ellie denied with good arguments as we need this person take responsibility in other areas (eg. strengthen the Committee). After all selected persons agreed to become the new Jury I sent out the announcement. I agree that we need a better process but I do not see that this year's process was any worse than before, in the opposite - there have been more people involved and able to voice their opinions. What we actually need is a Wikimania Committee which lives up to its expectations, actually have meetings (and minutes), which can define such processes. There have been several changes, also with Ellie coming in, and everything is done on a volunteer basis. Things are slow. What I do not accept are critisms on processes from people who didn't actually participate in the same, even though they were invited to do so. Regards, Manuel -- Manuel Schneider - Chief Information Officer Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 340 66 22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question: Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who? _ *Béria L. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2014-09-29 5:17 GMT-03:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il: Hey Manuel, Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who? Correct me, but beside Richard Sydmonds - all the members of this year jury are new? there is not continuity in the jury? Itzik *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Dear Wikimedians, Wikimania is the global, annual conference of the Wikimedia movement, organised by the Wikimedia community. Organizing team and location are chosen by a jury in a public bidding process. Due to the growing requirements and complexity for this growing conference the Wikimania Committee decided to revise the bidding timeline to give more time to prepare the conference. Here it is: * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bid_selection_timeline == Jury == The Wikimania Committee is pleased to announce the jury for Wikimania 2016: Richard Symonds Stuart Prior Claudia Garad Esteban Zarate Daniel Bryant Finne Boonen Ellie Young == Accepting Bids == We invite anyone in our community to submit a proposal for Wikimania 2016 on Meta Wiki: * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids Please consult the timeline and Judging Criteria that are posted at: * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids The deadline for bids is November 15, 23:59 UTC. You should setup a bidding page and contact Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator before the deadline. She will help you prepare your bid. All bids which have been confirmed until November 15 will be considered by the jury, others will be dismissed. Subsequently there will be a two week period where the community can comment and offer feedback on the proposal. In December your team must be available for conference calls with the jury, after deliberations the host for Wikimania 2016 will be announced by the end of 2014. On behalf of the Wikimania Committee with regards, Manuel -- Manuel Schneider - Chief Information Officer Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 340 66 22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to compose the jury like they do every year. (I do might had missed though so is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.) _ *Béria L. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question: Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who? Richard Symonds Stuart Prior Claudia Garad Esteban Zarate Daniel Bryant Finne Boonen Ellie Young Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at unpaid volunteers. It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
We have a system that works for jury selection. What I would STRONGLY like to encourage people in the community to do is seek out prospective people who would be good hosts and work with me on preparing a bid. That is is our biggest need! The CFP was posted earlier this month. Thank you all. Ellie On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to compose the jury like they do every year. (I do might had missed though so is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.) _ Béria L. de Rodríguez Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. 2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question: Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who? Richard Symonds Stuart Prior Claudia Garad Esteban Zarate Daniel Bryant Finne Boonen Ellie Young Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at unpaid volunteers. It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
