Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2015-07-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm sure this is not a new issue, I remember it coming up at either Gdansk or 
Buenos Aires and it may not have been new then. I know from surveys and those 
wikipedians I have got to know well that we underrepresent those who currently 
have kids, with the greying of the pedia the community may not be as 
unrepresentative of parents of adult children as we once were, but we don't 
have many parents of young children amongst our editors. I think this is a gap 
we should try to fix, I suspect that childcare for the few parents who bring 
their children would be a service that only a small minority of editors would 
take up, and that offering such a service in 2016 and future Wikimanias would 
be something of a statement that the community wants members who have dependent 
children.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


 On 9 Jul 2015, at 21:46, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
 Sorry for the delay in responding.   WMF will not be able to provide child 
 care services at the venue.  The Hotel can arrange for babysitters directly 
 with parents who need this.From registration and looking at WMF travels, 
 it looks like few people are bringing families.  For those that are, someone 
 might want to put something on wiki or this mailing list to contact other 
 families about trip, sharing services, etc.   I would be happy to put anyone 
 who needs babysitters at the hotel in touch with the right person to arrange 
 this.
 
 Ellie
 
 WMF Conference Coordinator
 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:49 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote:
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 Daniel Schwen schreef op 1-7-2015 om 20:30:
 Hello all!
 Will any form of child care be provided at this year's Wikimania? 
 OpenStreetMap's SotM apparently offered some this year 
 (http://openstreetmap.us/2015/03/children-at-sotmus/)
 This years Wikimedia Hackathon 
 (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2015) also had a 
 kindergarten. Looked like a success and I heard several parents say that 
 they might have brought their kids if they would have known it in advance.
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2015-07-10 Thread Lodewijk
Unfortunately this is with many other things something we could improve on,
but comes at a cost. And while the cost itself is reasonable, it adds up.

It would be awesome if Wikimania could become a little more the volunteer
conference it is, where people do their bit of what they would like to see
happen. If you like to see childcare: great, help organise it! (for the
record: Daniel's response was very reasonable in this regard) If you like
certain topics on the programme - lets propose it! If you would enjoy
different entertainment in the evenings, here's your challenge.

In these discussions, and this is a slippery slope argument, we tend to
look at the organising team to fix things for us, while on many occasions
we can do a lot ourselves. This is a great list for such coordination, by
the way.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm sure this is not a new issue, I remember it coming up at either Gdansk
 or Buenos Aires and it may not have been new then. I know from surveys and
 those wikipedians I have got to know well that we underrepresent those who
 currently have kids, with the greying of the pedia the community may not
 be as unrepresentative of parents of adult children as we once were, but we
 don't have many parents of young children amongst our editors. I think this
 is a gap we should try to fix, I suspect that childcare for the few parents
 who bring their children would be a service that only a small minority of
 editors would take up, and that offering such a service in 2016 and future
 Wikimanias would be something of a statement that the community wants
 members who have dependent children.

 Regards

 Jonathan Cardy


  On 9 Jul 2015, at 21:46, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
  Sorry for the delay in responding.   WMF will not be able to provide
 child care services at the venue.  The Hotel can arrange for babysitters
 directly with parents who need this.From registration and looking at
 WMF travels, it looks like few people are bringing families.  For those
 that are, someone might want to put something on wiki or this mailing list
 to contact other families about trip, sharing services, etc.   I would be
 happy to put anyone who needs babysitters at the hotel in touch with the
 right person to arrange this.
 
  Ellie
 
  WMF Conference Coordinator
 
  On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:49 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl
 wrote:
 
  Hi Daniel,
 
  Daniel Schwen schreef op 1-7-2015 om 20:30:
  Hello all!
  Will any form of child care be provided at this year's Wikimania?
 OpenStreetMap's SotM apparently offered some this year (
 http://openstreetmap.us/2015/03/children-at-sotmus/)
  This years Wikimedia Hackathon (
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2015) also had a
 kindergarten. Looked like a success and I heard several parents say that
 they might have brought their kids if they would have known it in advance.
 
  Maarten
 
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2015-07-10 Thread Pine W
We in Cascadia Wikimedians discussed offering child care for some of our
events. There are liability reasons for not having simple co-op kinds of
childcare in our jurisdiction without appropriate training and insurance,
and the same considerations might apply to Wikimania. In principle offering
childcare is something that we should do, and where the marginal cost of
offering it is reasonable like Wikimania it makes particularly good sense
to pay for quality childcare with appropriate insurance. I would encourage
WMF to mandate that future Wikimanias include the offering of a certain
number of childcare slots with appropriate funding for quality, insured
childcare.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2015-07-09 Thread Daniel Schwen

 travels, it looks like few people are bringing families.  For those that
 are, someone might want to put something on wiki or this mailing list to
 contact other families about trip, sharing services, etc.   I would be


I'll take my wife and kids (4 and 6) along, and I'm sure they'd be happy to
hook up with other family members that won't be attending the conference to
explore the city.
So other people with families at the event please reply here!
Daniel
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2015-07-04 Thread Maarten Dammers

Hi Daniel,

Daniel Schwen schreef op 1-7-2015 om 20:30:

Hello all!
Will any form of child care be provided at this year's Wikimania? 
OpenStreetMap's SotM apparently offered some this year 
(http://openstreetmap.us/2015/03/children-at-sotmus/)
This years Wikimedia Hackathon 
(https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2015) also had a 
kindergarten. Looked like a success and I heard several parents say that 
they might have brought their kids if they would have known it in advance.


Maarten


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[Wikimania-l] Child care

2015-07-01 Thread Daniel Schwen
Hello all!
Will any form of child care be provided at this year's Wikimania?
OpenStreetMap's SotM apparently offered some this year (
http://openstreetmap.us/2015/03/children-at-sotmus/)
Daniel
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-03-27 Thread Stuart Prior
Hi,

I have made some calls and looked around for third party childcare in the
local area. Unfortunately there are some problems.

The timing of the conference doesn't help as most daycare or nurseries are
only open during the school term and close in the summer, so there isn't
anything local where you could drop kids off for the day.
Additionally while it would still be easier to find somewhere to look after
children during the day, the evening might present a bit of a problem.
To give an idea of cost, one person I spoke to quoted £12.50 per hour, per
child.

I understand in previous Wikimania's that groups of parents have come
together to arrange childcare between them. This will be the best option as
they could arrange something where they can say We need x children looked
after for x hours.

Would you want this organised via the site?

Best

S






On 27 March 2014 02:23, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

 I think it unlikely that more than one or two short term vacancies can be
 found nearby, these places generally have a very high staff-to-child ratio
 (by law it has to be for pre-schoolers 1:3 for under twos, for example).

 Were we to provide creche facilities  we would have to have DBS
 certificates for all staff, unless we had a third party - even then we
 would have check that they checked!

 http://www.tinies.com/creches/event-childcare/, for example provide event
 crèches and childcare.

 On 01/03/2014 08:23, Katie Chan wrote:

 On 28/02/2014 17:44, Nathan wrote:

 Better investigate liability and insurance before deciding on how many
 kids signed up is enough to make it worth it.


 Well, that depends on how it is offered. If the conference is offering
 these facilities, then yes. If it's in the form of there's these services
 nearby where we've arranged a special deal for attendees, then liability
 and insurance will be taken on by the 3rd parties.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-03-27 Thread Thomas Morton
Having an event creche company is really the only viable option;
fortunately there are a few about, tend to be reasonably priced.

The only two sticking points are that its currently quite late to be
booking such things :) and, we'd need to organise an appropriate room
(secure, to keep the kids in and undesirables out).

Tom
On 27 Mar 2014 02:23, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

 I think it unlikely that more than one or two short term vacancies can be
 found nearby, these places generally have a very high staff-to-child ratio
 (by law it has to be for pre-schoolers 1:3 for under twos, for example).

 Were we to provide creche facilities  we would have to have DBS
 certificates for all staff, unless we had a third party - even then we
 would have check that they checked!

 http://www.tinies.com/creches/event-childcare/, for example provide event
 crèches and childcare.

 On 01/03/2014 08:23, Katie Chan wrote:

 On 28/02/2014 17:44, Nathan wrote:

 Better investigate liability and insurance before deciding on how many
 kids signed up is enough to make it worth it.


 Well, that depends on how it is offered. If the conference is offering
 these facilities, then yes. If it's in the form of there's these services
 nearby where we've arranged a special deal for attendees, then liability
 and insurance will be taken on by the 3rd parties.

 KTC



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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-03-26 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I think it unlikely that more than one or two short term vacancies can 
be found nearby, these places generally have a very high staff-to-child 
ratio (by law it has to be for pre-schoolers 1:3 for under twos, for 
example).


Were we to provide creche facilities  we would have to have DBS 
certificates for all staff, unless we had a third party - even then we 
would have check that they checked!


http://www.tinies.com/creches/event-childcare/, for example provide 
event crèches and childcare.


On 01/03/2014 08:23, Katie Chan wrote:

On 28/02/2014 17:44, Nathan wrote:

Better investigate liability and insurance before deciding on how many
kids signed up is enough to make it worth it.



Well, that depends on how it is offered. If the conference is offering 
these facilities, then yes. If it's in the form of there's these 
services nearby where we've arranged a special deal for attendees, 
then liability and insurance will be taken on by the 3rd parties.


KTC




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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-03-26 Thread Ivan Martínez
For the bid of Mexico City we are considering close the kid's area of the
venue and hire professional childcare in that space.
This is the space with a lot of books, indeed:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids/Mexico_City/Biblioteca_Vasconcelos#Kid.27s_area


2014-03-26 20:23 GMT-06:00 Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk:

 I think it unlikely that more than one or two short term vacancies can be
 found nearby, these places generally have a very high staff-to-child ratio
 (by law it has to be for pre-schoolers 1:3 for under twos, for example).

 Were we to provide creche facilities  we would have to have DBS
 certificates for all staff, unless we had a third party - even then we
 would have check that they checked!

 http://www.tinies.com/creches/event-childcare/, for example provide event
 crèches and childcare.


 On 01/03/2014 08:23, Katie Chan wrote:

 On 28/02/2014 17:44, Nathan wrote:

 Better investigate liability and insurance before deciding on how many
 kids signed up is enough to make it worth it.


 Well, that depends on how it is offered. If the conference is offering
 these facilities, then yes. If it's in the form of there's these services
 nearby where we've arranged a special deal for attendees, then liability
 and insurance will be taken on by the 3rd parties.

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[Wikimania-l] Child care at Wikimania 2014

2014-03-05 Thread Shields Gerald J
Dear Everyone,

Child care is a touchy subject and I suggest using 
http://www.brighthorizons.co.uk/our-nurseries/city-child-nursery-london/about-this-nursery/overview
 to suggest the parants locate a proper child care center on their own

Thank you for your time and attention in this matter. I appreciate it.
 
My best regards,
Gerald
 

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   4. Re: Child care (Lodewijk)
   5. Re: Child care (Nathan)
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Hi, do you plan to offer some kind of child care during wikimania?

Best
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Hey Rupert,

we want to attract families and groups of friends who want to extend their 
holiday in South Africa after the conference. As such, we will provide child 
care facilities.

see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids/Cape_Town/Cape_Town#Travel_with_children

Groeten, Maarten



2014-02-28 18:09 GMT+01:00 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com:

 Hi, do you plan to offer some kind of child care during wikimania?

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I think if there was a minimum level of demand, then it's something that could 
be considered. However, this is the first time that it's been raised regarding 
Wikimania 2014, so  a decisions would have to be taken based on the level of 
demand. It would be terrible for inclusivity if a large number of parents 
couldn't attend because of childcare issues. I have cced in Stuart Prior who is 
the UK Wikimania Liaison - please let him know if this is something that you 
would use.

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On 28 February 2014 17:09, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, do you plan to offer some kind of child care during wikimania?

 Best
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-03-05 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hi,

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Edward Saperia e...@wikimanialondon.org 
wrote:
 It looks like this childcare facility is very close to the venue:

 http://www.brighthorizons.co.uk/our-nurseries/city-child-nursery-london/about-this-nursery/overview

 I'll look at figuring something out with them.

That would be really great.

For what it's worth, even some kind of informal student-is-here that
you can call to take your kids out to the playground next door would
be a tremendous help.

Cheers,

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-03-01 Thread Katie Chan

On 28/02/2014 17:44, Nathan wrote:

Better investigate liability and insurance before deciding on how many
kids signed up is enough to make it worth it.



Well, that depends on how it is offered. If the conference is offering 
these facilities, then yes. If it's in the form of there's these 
services nearby where we've arranged a special deal for attendees, then 
liability and insurance will be taken on by the 3rd parties.


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[Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-02-28 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi, do you plan to offer some kind of child care during wikimania?

Best
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-02-28 Thread maarten deneckere
Hey Rupert,

we want to attract families and groups of friends who want to extend their
holiday in South Africa after the conference. As such, we will provide
child care facilities.

see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids/Cape_Town/Cape_Town#Travel_with_children

Groeten, Maarten



2014-02-28 18:09 GMT+01:00 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com:

 Hi, do you plan to offer some kind of child care during wikimania?

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-02-28 Thread Richard Symonds
I think if there was a minimum level of demand, then it's something that
could be considered. However, this is the first time that it's been raised
regarding Wikimania 2014, so  a decisions would have to be taken based on
the level of demand. It would be terrible for inclusivity if a large number
of parents couldn't attend because of childcare issues. I have cced in
Stuart Prior who is the UK Wikimania Liaison - please let him know if this
is something that you would use.

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-02-28 Thread Lodewijk
hi richard,

how would you define minimum demand in this context? That way the parents
can round up :)

Lodewijk


2014-02-28 18:21 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
:

 I think if there was a minimum level of demand, then it's something that
 could be considered. However, this is the first time that it's been raised
 regarding Wikimania 2014, so  a decisions would have to be taken based on
 the level of demand. It would be terrible for inclusivity if a large number
 of parents couldn't attend because of childcare issues. I have cced in
 Stuart Prior who is the UK Wikimania Liaison - please let him know if this
 is something that you would use.

 Richard Symonds
 Wikimedia UK
 0207 065 0992

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 On 28 February 2014 17:09, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi, do you plan to offer some kind of child care during wikimania?

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-02-28 Thread Nathan
Better investigate liability and insurance before deciding on how many kids
signed up is enough to make it worth it.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Child care

2014-02-28 Thread Edward Saperia
It looks like this childcare facility is very close to the venue:

http://www.brighthorizons.co.uk/our-nurseries/city-child-nursery-london/about-this-nursery/overview

I'll look at figuring something out with them.

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On 28 February 2014 17:30, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 hi richard,

 how would you define minimum demand in this context? That way the parents
 can round up :)

 Lodewijk


 2014-02-28 18:21 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:

 I think if there was a minimum level of demand, then it's something that
 could be considered. However, this is the first time that it's been raised
 regarding Wikimania 2014, so  a decisions would have to be taken based on
 the level of demand. It would be terrible for inclusivity if a large number
 of parents couldn't attend because of childcare issues. I have cced in
 Stuart Prior who is the UK Wikimania Liaison - please let him know if this
 is something that you would use.

 Richard Symonds
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