Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

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2016-01-23 21:40 GMT+04:00 Marc A. Pelletier :

> On 2016-01-23 5:51 AM, Lodewijk wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I really appreciate the initiative, but there are some conceptual
>> hurdles to overcome.
>>
>
> Indeed there are, and that is why I said that it's very hard to do right
> (and, IMO, doing it wrong is worse than not doing it at all).
>
> I do think it's worth discussing however - I see advantages beyond simple
> community building too.  Highlighting exemplary contributions (however we
> end up defining that) is, I believe, inspiring (and may well give some of
> our most dedicated contributors some well-deserved recognition too).  I
> don't expect many people will contribute with the award as an objective[1],
> but that doesn't reduce the value of them.
>
> Perhaps we should set out a place on-wiki to hash out whether the concept
> has value and - if so - how it could work out?
>
> -- Marc
>
> [1] Then again, the Commons POTY arguably gets us some of our most
> valuable images and there is no question that there are photographers and
> illustrators that contribute /because/ of it.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

[Lodewijk]

The main question is about what you're trying to accomplish exactly. I
doubt anyone expects Wikipedians to work harder because they could possibly
win an award. Or that they will work harder afterwards. What I would see as
the potential added value of such award, is more something intangible like
team building, community feeling, feeling of belonging. As you're able to
express appreciation for someone else, you also feel you belong in the same
group.

In that sense, it can work very well within well defined language
communities. Critical factor is that people know each other. The people in
the audience should recognise most of the nominees, and recognise that they
are indeed good candidates. This can be the case within the community of
dewiki, nlwiki - maybe even enwiki. But for 'the international community' I
don't see how you could combine the different languaue communities and have
a fair outcome. At least, not where it comes to editing.

There are some activities however that are international in nature.
Wikidata, steward work, wikimedia commons - those are international
activities that /could/ potentially be awarded at Wikimania. Maybe even
chapter work and indeed the 'cool projects' (be they chapter initiated or
community wikiprojects).

But yes, it is tough and tricky and I do see trouble with the scale. Voting
is trickier, and you'd need to make good definitions to define the right
community to do that. Or set up a jury.

Anyway, I really appreciate the initiative, but there are some conceptual
hurdles to overcome.

Lodewijk

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:30 AM, WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect that a program of global recognition of newbies at Wikimania is
> too fast and too soon.  It is a very big jump from making a few edits on a
> website to winning some global award, an award that only new editors
> qualify for.
>
> We have thousands, possibly tens of thousands of good faith new editors
> who do a few edits, and then usually go away, sometimes returning years
> later.
>
> Better in my opinion to have programs with them that scale, and are an
> appropriate interaction for someone in an early stage of their wiki career.
>
> On the main page of English Wikipedia we have a Did you Know? section with
> snippets from several new or greatly expanded articles. Over the years I
> have nominated several new articles by new editors.
>
> This is something that could scale. On English alone we have thousands of
> DYK hooks each year, hundreds of those could be from newbies.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan/WereSpielChequers
>
>
> On 23 Jan 2016, at 04:53, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> After our big success in the Dutch Wikipedia, and also the success of our
> German colleagues, we thought of organising and shortly analysed the
> situation and we came to the conclusion that it's mostly a scale problem.
> In other words, tech support is needed.
>
> We are very much aware of the delicacy it has.
>
> I think however that it should not focus on only one person/project as
> there are certainly multiple each year that should get attention. To me it
> would sound better if there will be a video shown with the largest and/or
> most successful projects of the past year so that we all can learn and get
> inspired by all those successful projects.
>
> Greetings,
> Romaine
>
> Op maandag 18 januari 2016 heeft Marc A. Pelletier  het
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> On 2016-01-17 11:21 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote:
>>
>>> At the same time I sense something important is missing. I miss in the
>>> large plenary sessions the attention for specific users and their projects
>>> that are of most value for the movement.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, and no.  I agree with you in principle (that is, the plenary
>> sessions tend to have too little focus on direct volunteer impact), but
>> that is not something that is missing by design but by lack of an actual
>> session to present.
>>
>> I made a presentation on the featured speakers track in London that was
>> all about specific users and projects and it was very enthusiastically
>> received - by the programme committee and the audience - so it's clear that
>> there is desire to have such presentations.  But they first have to be
>> proposed (please do so!).
>>
>> That said, one idea I had been toying with for 2017 was to have an award
>> ceremony for the most impactful volunteers of the (2016) year - kinda like
>> Jimmy's Wikipedian of the year award, only selected by the community and
>> with a much wider scope.  It's only half-baked, because it's a really
>> complicated and delicate thing to do *right* (who picks, how are
>> nominations made, how to avoid neglecting the non-english-Wikipedia
>> contributors, etc).  If it can be made to work right, I'd make it a big
>> focus of the closing ceremony.  And probably try to find where Philippe
>> found the actual physical barnstars to give out.  :-)
>>
>> And I'd very much like 

Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

[WereSpielChequers]

I suspect that a program of global recognition of newbies at Wikimania is too 
fast and too soon.  It is a very big jump from making a few edits on a website 
to winning some global award, an award that only new editors qualify for. 

We have thousands, possibly tens of thousands of good faith new editors who do 
a few edits, and then usually go away, sometimes returning years later.

Better in my opinion to have programs with them that scale, and are an 
appropriate interaction for someone in an early stage of their wiki career.

On the main page of English Wikipedia we have a Did you Know? section with 
snippets from several new or greatly expanded articles. Over the years I have 
nominated several new articles by new editors.

This is something that could scale. On English alone we have thousands of DYK 
hooks each year, hundreds of those could be from newbies.


Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers


> On 23 Jan 2016, at 04:53, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marc,
> 
> After our big success in the Dutch Wikipedia, and also the success of our 
> German colleagues, we thought of organising and shortly analysed the 
> situation and we came to the conclusion that it's mostly a scale problem. In 
> other words, tech support is needed. 
> 
> We are very much aware of the delicacy it has.
> 
> I think however that it should not focus on only one person/project as there 
> are certainly multiple each year that should get attention. To me it would 
> sound better if there will be a video shown with the largest and/or most 
> successful projects of the past year so that we all can learn and get 
> inspired by all those successful projects. 
> 
> Greetings, 
> Romaine 
> 
> Op maandag 18 januari 2016 heeft Marc A. Pelletier  het 
> volgende geschreven:
>> On 2016-01-17 11:21 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote:
>>> At the same time I sense something important is missing. I miss in the 
>>> large plenary sessions the attention for specific users and their projects 
>>> that are of most value for the movement.
>> 
>> Yes, and no.  I agree with you in principle (that is, the plenary sessions 
>> tend to have too little focus on direct volunteer impact), but that is not 
>> something that is missing by design but by lack of an actual session to 
>> present.
>> 
>> I made a presentation on the featured speakers track in London that was all 
>> about specific users and projects and it was very enthusiastically received 
>> - by the programme committee and the audience - so it's clear that there is 
>> desire to have such presentations.  But they first have to be proposed 
>> (please do so!).
>> 
>> That said, one idea I had been toying with for 2017 was to have an award 
>> ceremony for the most impactful volunteers of the (2016) year - kinda like 
>> Jimmy's Wikipedian of the year award, only selected by the community and 
>> with a much wider scope.  It's only half-baked, because it's a really 
>> complicated and delicate thing to do *right* (who picks, how are nominations 
>> made, how to avoid neglecting the non-english-Wikipedia contributors, etc).  
>> If it can be made to work right, I'd make it a big focus of the closing 
>> ceremony.  And probably try to find where Philippe found the actual physical 
>> barnstars to give out.  :-)
>> 
>> And I'd very much like this to become a yearly thing; not just a one-off for 
>> 2017.
>> 
>> -- Marc
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 2016-01-23 5:51 AM, Lodewijk wrote:
Anyway, I really appreciate the initiative, but there are some 
conceptual hurdles to overcome.


Indeed there are, and that is why I said that it's very hard to do right 
(and, IMO, doing it wrong is worse than not doing it at all).


I do think it's worth discussing however - I see advantages beyond 
simple community building too.  Highlighting exemplary contributions 
(however we end up defining that) is, I believe, inspiring (and may well 
give some of our most dedicated contributors some well-deserved 
recognition too).  I don't expect many people will contribute with the 
award as an objective[1], but that doesn't reduce the value of them.


Perhaps we should set out a place on-wiki to hash out whether the 
concept has value and - if so - how it could work out?


-- Marc

[1] Then again, the Commons POTY arguably gets us some of our most 
valuable images and there is no question that there are photographers 
and illustrators that contribute /because/ of it.



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Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

[Romaine Wiki]

Hi Marc,

After our big success in the Dutch Wikipedia, and also the success of our
German colleagues, we thought of organising and shortly analysed the
situation and we came to the conclusion that it's mostly a scale problem.
In other words, tech support is needed.

We are very much aware of the delicacy it has.

I think however that it should not focus on only one person/project as
there are certainly multiple each year that should get attention. To me it
would sound better if there will be a video shown with the largest and/or
most successful projects of the past year so that we all can learn and get
inspired by all those successful projects.

Greetings,
Romaine

Op maandag 18 januari 2016 heeft Marc A. Pelletier  het
volgende geschreven:

> On 2016-01-17 11:21 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote:
>
>> At the same time I sense something important is missing. I miss in the
>> large plenary sessions the attention for specific users and their projects
>> that are of most value for the movement.
>>
>
> Yes, and no.  I agree with you in principle (that is, the plenary sessions
> tend to have too little focus on direct volunteer impact), but that is not
> something that is missing by design but by lack of an actual session to
> present.
>
> I made a presentation on the featured speakers track in London that was
> all about specific users and projects and it was very enthusiastically
> received - by the programme committee and the audience - so it's clear that
> there is desire to have such presentations.  But they first have to be
> proposed (please do so!).
>
> That said, one idea I had been toying with for 2017 was to have an award
> ceremony for the most impactful volunteers of the (2016) year - kinda like
> Jimmy's Wikipedian of the year award, only selected by the community and
> with a much wider scope.  It's only half-baked, because it's a really
> complicated and delicate thing to do *right* (who picks, how are
> nominations made, how to avoid neglecting the non-english-Wikipedia
> contributors, etc).  If it can be made to work right, I'd make it a big
> focus of the closing ceremony.  And probably try to find where Philippe
> found the actual physical barnstars to give out.  :-)
>
> And I'd very much like this to become a yearly thing; not just a one-off
> for 2017.
>
> -- Marc
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

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Thank you

2016-01-18 19:47 GMT+04:00 Marc A. Pelletier :

> On 2016-01-17 11:21 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote:
>
>> At the same time I sense something important is missing. I miss in the
>> large plenary sessions the attention for specific users and their projects
>> that are of most value for the movement.
>>
>
> Yes, and no.  I agree with you in principle (that is, the plenary sessions
> tend to have too little focus on direct volunteer impact), but that is not
> something that is missing by design but by lack of an actual session to
> present.
>
> I made a presentation on the featured speakers track in London that was
> all about specific users and projects and it was very enthusiastically
> received - by the programme committee and the audience - so it's clear that
> there is desire to have such presentations.  But they first have to be
> proposed (please do so!).
>
> That said, one idea I had been toying with for 2017 was to have an award
> ceremony for the most impactful volunteers of the (2016) year - kinda like
> Jimmy's Wikipedian of the year award, only selected by the community and
> with a much wider scope.  It's only half-baked, because it's a really
> complicated and delicate thing to do *right* (who picks, how are
> nominations made, how to avoid neglecting the non-english-Wikipedia
> contributors, etc).  If it can be made to work right, I'd make it a big
> focus of the closing ceremony.  And probably try to find where Philippe
> found the actual physical barnstars to give out.  :-)
>
> And I'd very much like this to become a yearly thing; not just a one-off
> for 2017.
>
> -- Marc
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 2016-01-17 11:21 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote:
At the same time I sense something important is missing. I miss in the 
large plenary sessions the attention for specific users and their 
projects that are of most value for the movement.


Yes, and no.  I agree with you in principle (that is, the plenary 
sessions tend to have too little focus on direct volunteer impact), but 
that is not something that is missing by design but by lack of an actual 
session to present.


I made a presentation on the featured speakers track in London that was 
all about specific users and projects and it was very enthusiastically 
received - by the programme committee and the audience - so it's clear 
that there is desire to have such presentations.  But they first have to 
be proposed (please do so!).


That said, one idea I had been toying with for 2017 was to have an award 
ceremony for the most impactful volunteers of the (2016) year - kinda 
like Jimmy's Wikipedian of the year award, only selected by the 
community and with a much wider scope.  It's only half-baked, because 
it's a really complicated and delicate thing to do *right* (who picks, 
how are nominations made, how to avoid neglecting the 
non-english-Wikipedia contributors, etc).  If it can be made to work 
right, I'd make it a big focus of the closing ceremony.  And probably 
try to find where Philippe found the actual physical barnstars to give 
out.  :-)


And I'd very much like this to become a yearly thing; not just a one-off 
for 2017.


-- Marc



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[Wikimania-l] How to value good contributions?

[Romaine Wiki]

Hello all!

Two days ago, around the 15th birthday of Wikipedia, the Dutch Wikipedia
community awarded in seven categories the users and projects most valued
for their contributions to Wikipedia in the past year.

In seven categories a WikiOwl has been awarded, symbolizing the ancient
Greek owl for wisdom and knowledge. Free knowledge!

The WikiOwls given recognition and appreciation for all the work done by
the users and their projects. Recognition and appreciation that stimulates
and gives much enthusiasm to enrich the world of free knowledge even more,
essential for Wikipedia's continuation.


https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiUilen
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiUilen/2015

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiUilen_2015_%283%29.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiEule2015-DD1.JPG
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiEulen_2.jpg



This makes me think again about Wikimania in the past years. The
conferences are great and have a nice program. At the same time I sense
something important is missing. I miss in the large plenary sessions the
attention for specific users and their projects that are of most value for
the movement.

Wikimania is the conference intended for contributors to share their
experiences, learn about best practises, work together to use the synergy
to get done more. That is what this community conference is about.

Hopefully we will fill this small but important gap of the plenary
session(s) with the coming Wikimania, and have more attention for the
specific contributions that we as community value most. Let's have many
many users inspired by great ideas that they can bring home and into
practise.

Thank you.

Romaine
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