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Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Page views on Cascadia article

2016-11-11 Thread Joe Mabel

Largely agree, except for Seattle as whites-only. It did exclude the
natives in many ways, but there was an African American presence here
pretty early on (albeit a small one) and Horace Cayton, Sr. was one of
the city's best-known citizens at a time where many cities lacked any
such thing as a well-known black citizen.

On 11/11/2016 10:28 AM, Dennis Bratland wrote:

That "Cascadia (independence movement)" Wikipedia article really goes out
of its way to censor any mention of the white supremacist connection to the
Cascadia movement. E.g.

http://crosscut.com/2015/07/hate-filled-zone-a-group-of-white-racists-wants-a-nw-secession-a-vile-dream-with-deep-historic-roots/

Seems like anybody today who says "I don't need the Federal Government,
they never did anything for me" is probably white, middle class and
comfortably privileged. Having no Justice Department to force reform on the
Seattle Police Department wouldn't make any difference to the white people
of the city; the problems with the police department weren't affecting them
to begin with. I'd have a different attitude if the people of Seattle had
been clamoring to clean up police abuse and it was the Feds holding them
back. But Seattle was doing nothing and Justice had to sue to drag a
reluctant Seattle to do anything about it. Or take away the Federal
Government and the Washington is going to rush in and shut down the casinos
and everything else on the reservations. Tribal sovereignty, such as it is,
comes from Washington DC, not Olympia.

I guess it's like when I hear a phrase like "America First" I can't help
but think of Charles Lindbergh's fascist enablers. Cascadia triggers the
same reaction from me. It sounds nice at first, but under the surface it
looks ugly., and it's got some old connotations that are hard to forget.
It's like a nice way of saying "states rights". It makes me think of people
who want to return Oregon to a whites-only state, or Seattle to the
whites-only city it was originally founded as.

Just saying.

Dennis

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Lane Rasberry
wrote:

(not cc'ing analytics)

Thanks Bruce. I talk regularly with

and have been asking about their capacity to be a nonprofit outreach
partner for the wiki chapter.

I will raise this issue with them, because perhaps they can help develop
the article.

yours,

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Pine W wrote:

Hi WMF Analytics,

It would be interesting to know where all this traffic is originating. Do
we have a way of tracking back the origin of Wikipedia pageviews to
particular sites or pages?

It would also be interesting to get a geographic picture of where this
traffic is originating.

Pine

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, SounderBruce
wrote:

Since Election Day, they've increased from 900/day to over 273,000

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Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Page views on Cascadia article

2016-11-11 Thread Pharos

The racist concept is this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative

I don't think it's actually related to "Cascadia", but the criticism of
ecotopianism as a white liberal paradise is maybe a valid one.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:45 PM, James Hare  wrote:

> Censored, or not included as a result of systemic bias, of Wikipedia’s
> predominantly white editors not thinking to include it or look up sources
> about it? Or omitted because the general historical narrative has erased
> the presence of racism, meaning it would not be found in most sources that
> would be used anyway?
>
> But if we have documentation that it was a racist phenomenon (and I can
> see why it would be), we should certainly make sure to include it in the
> article. And what better time than when people are interested in it?
>
> —
> James Hare
> Secretary, Wikimedia DC
> https://wikimediadc.org
> @wikimediadc
>
>
> On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Dennis Bratland wrote:
>
> > That "Cascadia (independence movement)" Wikipedia article really goes out
> > of its way to censor any mention of the white supremacist connection to
> the
> > Cascadia movement. E.g.
> >
> > http://crosscut.com/2015/07/hate-filled-zone-a-group-of-
> white-racists-wants-a-nw-secession-a-vile-dream-with-deep-historic-roots/
> >
> > Seems like anybody today who says "I don't need the Federal Government,
> > they never did anything for me" is probably white, middle class and
> > comfortably privileged. Having no Justice Department to force reform on
> the
> > Seattle Police Department wouldn't make any difference to the white
> people
> > of the city; the problems with the police department weren't affecting
> them
> > to begin with. I'd have a different attitude if the people of Seattle had
> > been clamoring to clean up police abuse and it was the Feds holding them
> > back. But Seattle was doing nothing and Justice had to sue to drag a
> > reluctant Seattle to do anything about it. Or take away the Federal
> > Government and the Washington is going to rush in and shut down the
> casinos
> > and everything else on the reservations. Tribal sovereignty, such as it
> is,
> > comes from Washington DC, not Olympia.
> >
> > I guess it's like when I hear a phrase like "America First" I can't help
> > but think of Charles Lindbergh's fascist enablers. Cascadia triggers the
> > same reaction from me. It sounds nice at first, but under the surface it
> > looks ugly., and it's got some old connotations that are hard to forget.
> > It's like a nice way of saying "states rights". It makes me think of
> people
> > who want to return Oregon to a whites-only state, or Seattle to the
> > whites-only city it was originally founded as.
> >
> > Just saying.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Lane Rasberry  (mailto:l...@bluerasberry.com)>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (not cc'ing analytics)
> > >
> > > Thanks Bruce. I talk regularly with
> > > 
> > > and have been asking about their capacity to be a nonprofit outreach
> > > partner for the wiki chapter.
> > >
> > > I will raise this issue with them, because perhaps they can help
> develop
> > > the article.
> > >
> > > yours,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Pine W  wiki.p...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi WMF Analytics,
> > > >
> > > > It would be interesting to know where all this traffic is
> originating. Do
> > > > we have a way of tracking back the origin of Wikipedia pageviews to
> > > > particular sites or pages?
> > > >
> > > > It would also be interesting to get a geographic picture of where
> this
> > > > traffic is originating.
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, SounderBruce <
> sounderbr...@gmail.com (mailto:sounderbr...@gmail.com)>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since Election Day, they've increased from 900/day to over 273,000
> > > > >  > > > > wikipedia.org (http://wikipedia.org)=all-access=
> user=
> > > > > latest-10=Cascadia_(independence_movement)>
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > *Bruce Englehardt / SounderBruce*
> > > > > sounderbr...@gmail.com (mailto:sounderbr...@gmail.com)
> > > > > ___
> > > > > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > > > > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org (mailto:Wikimedia-Cascadia@
> lists.wikimedia.org)
> > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > > > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org (mailto:Wikimedia-Cascadia@
> lists.wikimedia.org)
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lane Rasberry
> > >

Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Page views on Cascadia article

2016-11-11 Thread James Hare

Censored, or not included as a result of systemic bias, of Wikipedia’s 
predominantly white editors not thinking to include it or look up sources about 
it? Or omitted because the general historical narrative has erased the presence 
of racism, meaning it would not be found in most sources that would be used 
anyway?  

But if we have documentation that it was a racist phenomenon (and I can see why 
it would be), we should certainly make sure to include it in the article. And 
what better time than when people are interested in it?  

—
James Hare
Secretary, Wikimedia DC
https://wikimediadc.org
@wikimediadc


On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Dennis Bratland wrote:

> That "Cascadia (independence movement)" Wikipedia article really goes out
> of its way to censor any mention of the white supremacist connection to the
> Cascadia movement. E.g.
>  
> http://crosscut.com/2015/07/hate-filled-zone-a-group-of-white-racists-wants-a-nw-secession-a-vile-dream-with-deep-historic-roots/
>  
> Seems like anybody today who says "I don't need the Federal Government,
> they never did anything for me" is probably white, middle class and
> comfortably privileged. Having no Justice Department to force reform on the
> Seattle Police Department wouldn't make any difference to the white people
> of the city; the problems with the police department weren't affecting them
> to begin with. I'd have a different attitude if the people of Seattle had
> been clamoring to clean up police abuse and it was the Feds holding them
> back. But Seattle was doing nothing and Justice had to sue to drag a
> reluctant Seattle to do anything about it. Or take away the Federal
> Government and the Washington is going to rush in and shut down the casinos
> and everything else on the reservations. Tribal sovereignty, such as it is,
> comes from Washington DC, not Olympia.
>  
> I guess it's like when I hear a phrase like "America First" I can't help
> but think of Charles Lindbergh's fascist enablers. Cascadia triggers the
> same reaction from me. It sounds nice at first, but under the surface it
> looks ugly., and it's got some old connotations that are hard to forget.
> It's like a nice way of saying "states rights". It makes me think of people
> who want to return Oregon to a whites-only state, or Seattle to the
> whites-only city it was originally founded as.
>  
> Just saying.
>  
> Dennis
>  
>  
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Lane Rasberry  (mailto:l...@bluerasberry.com)>
> wrote:
>  
> > (not cc'ing analytics)
> >  
> > Thanks Bruce. I talk regularly with
> > 
> > and have been asking about their capacity to be a nonprofit outreach
> > partner for the wiki chapter.
> >  
> > I will raise this issue with them, because perhaps they can help develop
> > the article.
> >  
> > yours,
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Pine W  > (mailto:wiki.p...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >  
> > > Hi WMF Analytics,
> > >  
> > > It would be interesting to know where all this traffic is originating. Do
> > > we have a way of tracking back the origin of Wikipedia pageviews to
> > > particular sites or pages?
> > >  
> > > It would also be interesting to get a geographic picture of where this
> > > traffic is originating.
> > >  
> > > Pine
> > >  
> > > Pine
> > >  
> > >  
> > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, SounderBruce  > > (mailto:sounderbr...@gmail.com)>
> > > wrote:
> > >  
> > > > Since Election Day, they've increased from 900/day to over 273,000
> > > >  > > > wikipedia.org 
> > > > (http://wikipedia.org)=all-access=user=
> > > > latest-10=Cascadia_(independence_movement)>
> > > > .
> > > >  
> > > > --
> > > > *Bruce Englehardt / SounderBruce*
> > > > sounderbr...@gmail.com (mailto:sounderbr...@gmail.com)
> > > > ___
> > > > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > > > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org 
> > > > (mailto:Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org)
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> > > >  
> > >  
> > > ___
> > > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org 
> > > (mailto:Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org)
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > --
> > Lane Rasberry
> > user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
> > 206.801.0814
> > l...@bluerasberry.com (mailto:l...@bluerasberry.com)
> > ___
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> > (mailto:Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org)
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> >  
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Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Page views on Cascadia article

2016-11-11 Thread Dennis Bratland

Some people say I have kind of a dark outlook on stuff.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:28 AM Dennis Bratland 
wrote:

> That "Cascadia (independence movement)" Wikipedia article really goes out
> of its way to censor any mention of the white supremacist connection to the
> Cascadia movement. E.g.
>
>
> http://crosscut.com/2015/07/hate-filled-zone-a-group-of-white-racists-wants-a-nw-secession-a-vile-dream-with-deep-historic-roots/
>
> Seems like anybody today who says "I don't need the Federal Government,
> they never did anything for me" is probably white, middle class and
> comfortably privileged. Having no Justice Department to force reform on the
> Seattle Police Department wouldn't make any difference to the white people
> of the city; the problems with the police department weren't affecting them
> to begin with. I'd have a different attitude if the people of Seattle had
> been clamoring to clean up police abuse and it was the Feds holding them
> back. But Seattle was doing nothing and Justice had to sue to drag a
> reluctant Seattle to do anything about it. Or take away the Federal
> Government and the Washington is going to rush in and shut down the casinos
> and everything else on the reservations. Tribal sovereignty, such as it is,
> comes from Washington DC, not Olympia.
>
> I guess it's like when I hear a phrase like "America First" I can't help
> but think of Charles Lindbergh's fascist enablers. Cascadia triggers the
> same reaction from me. It sounds nice at first, but under the surface it
> looks ugly., and it's got some old connotations that are hard to forget.
> It's like a nice way of saying "states rights". It makes me think of people
> who want to return Oregon to a whites-only state, or Seattle to the
> whites-only city it was originally founded as.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Lane Rasberry 
> wrote:
>
> (not cc'ing analytics)
>
> Thanks Bruce. I talk regularly with
> 
> and have been asking about their capacity to be a nonprofit outreach
> partner for the wiki chapter.
>
> I will raise this issue with them, because perhaps they can help develop
> the article.
>
> yours,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi WMF Analytics,
> >
> > It would be interesting to know where all this traffic is originating. Do
> > we have a way of tracking back the origin of Wikipedia pageviews to
> > particular sites or pages?
> >
> > It would also be interesting to get a geographic picture of where this
> > traffic is originating.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, SounderBruce 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Since Election Day, they've increased from 900/day to over 273,000
> > >  > > wikipedia.org=all-access=user=
> > > latest-10=Cascadia_(independence_movement)>
> > > .
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Bruce Englehardt / SounderBruce*
> > > sounderbr...@gmail.com
> > > ___
> > > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> > >
> > ___
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> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> >
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Page views on Cascadia article

2016-11-11 Thread Dennis Bratland

That "Cascadia (independence movement)" Wikipedia article really goes out
of its way to censor any mention of the white supremacist connection to the
Cascadia movement. E.g.

http://crosscut.com/2015/07/hate-filled-zone-a-group-of-white-racists-wants-a-nw-secession-a-vile-dream-with-deep-historic-roots/

Seems like anybody today who says "I don't need the Federal Government,
they never did anything for me" is probably white, middle class and
comfortably privileged. Having no Justice Department to force reform on the
Seattle Police Department wouldn't make any difference to the white people
of the city; the problems with the police department weren't affecting them
to begin with. I'd have a different attitude if the people of Seattle had
been clamoring to clean up police abuse and it was the Feds holding them
back. But Seattle was doing nothing and Justice had to sue to drag a
reluctant Seattle to do anything about it. Or take away the Federal
Government and the Washington is going to rush in and shut down the casinos
and everything else on the reservations. Tribal sovereignty, such as it is,
comes from Washington DC, not Olympia.

I guess it's like when I hear a phrase like "America First" I can't help
but think of Charles Lindbergh's fascist enablers. Cascadia triggers the
same reaction from me. It sounds nice at first, but under the surface it
looks ugly., and it's got some old connotations that are hard to forget.
It's like a nice way of saying "states rights". It makes me think of people
who want to return Oregon to a whites-only state, or Seattle to the
whites-only city it was originally founded as.

Just saying.

Dennis

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Lane Rasberry 
wrote:

> (not cc'ing analytics)
>
> Thanks Bruce. I talk regularly with
> 
> and have been asking about their capacity to be a nonprofit outreach
> partner for the wiki chapter.
>
> I will raise this issue with them, because perhaps they can help develop
> the article.
>
> yours,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi WMF Analytics,
> >
> > It would be interesting to know where all this traffic is originating. Do
> > we have a way of tracking back the origin of Wikipedia pageviews to
> > particular sites or pages?
> >
> > It would also be interesting to get a geographic picture of where this
> > traffic is originating.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, SounderBruce 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Since Election Day, they've increased from 900/day to over 273,000
> > >  > > wikipedia.org=all-access=user=
> > > latest-10=Cascadia_(independence_movement)>
> > > .
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Bruce Englehardt / SounderBruce*
> > > sounderbr...@gmail.com
> > > ___
> > > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> > >
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> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Page views on Cascadia article

2016-11-11 Thread Lane Rasberry

(not cc'ing analytics)

Thanks Bruce. I talk regularly with

and have been asking about their capacity to be a nonprofit outreach
partner for the wiki chapter.

I will raise this issue with them, because perhaps they can help develop
the article.

yours,



On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi WMF Analytics,
>
> It would be interesting to know where all this traffic is originating. Do
> we have a way of tracking back the origin of Wikipedia pageviews to
> particular sites or pages?
>
> It would also be interesting to get a geographic picture of where this
> traffic is originating.
>
> Pine
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:45 PM, SounderBruce 
> wrote:
>
> > Since Election Day, they've increased from 900/day to over 273,000
> >  > wikipedia.org=all-access=user=
> > latest-10=Cascadia_(independence_movement)>
> > .
> >
> > --
> > *Bruce Englehardt / SounderBruce*
> > sounderbr...@gmail.com
> > ___
> > Wikimedia-Cascadia mailing list
> > Wikimedia-Cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-cascadia
> >
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