Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
Actually the answer seems simple. Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself if needed. We may do more (add diffs and other authors where omitted, link to an explanatory page), but whatever information IB provides, if we show at least the attribution information visible in IB's own public pages, it would inherently be hard for IB to sustain a claim of any fork inadequately attributing original authors. Also attribution of wikitravel or IB itself is not a barrier. It doesn't provides any assistance to IB in terms of their presumed goal of preventing forking. It is trivial to meet any sane and legally necesary acknowledgement of wikitravel.com and/or IB, once IB stipulate (as they inevitably must) the attribution they feel to be acceptable and its legal basis. Beyond that the rest is a matter for, 1/ the wikitravel community such as care to speak on it, and 2/ any minimum attribution the wikimedia community or the Foundation might feel is needed for best practice or license compliance. It may be possible in a number of ways but I'm sure a satisfactory agreement would not involve IB-style litigatory approaches. FT2 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Report to the board: WikiCon in Dornbirn, Austria
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Report to the board: WikiCon in Dornbirn, Austria Datum: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 08:13:06 +0200 Von:Ting Chen tc...@wikimedia.org An: Board list boar...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello all, from August 31st to September 2nd the german speaking chapters organized the third WikiCon, a regional german speaking conference. This is the third conference of this kind, after Lüneburg (organized by SkillShare) and Nürnberg (by the chapters). This is my report about this conference. I will also cross post part of it on wikimedia-l later. Like on every WikiCon the struggle on the very tight and high relevance criteria as well as the deletionism and the rude behavior in village pumps and talk pages was one of the major topic. But in this year my feeling is that a critical mass is forming and things may move in the other direction on de-wp. One of the major topics that is new on this WikiCon are wiki projects outside of the Wikimedia projects. There are a few very interesting speeches on this topic. One was about the RegionWiki, where people compile and gather local information, many of them deemed by Wikipedia as not relevant or not encyclopedia content. The other is just started and got financial support from WMDE, with the name ZeitzeugeWiki (a wiki that collects contemperary witnesses). The ZeitzeugeWiki remembers me also on the study of Achal on visual reference. Done right it can really be a valuable project that can have impact. Markus Bärlocher, a very active voluntier on Wikipedia, OpenStreetMap and OpenSeeMap is planning a wiki for water sport and asks if Wikimedia Foundation can host it. This project is also related to a third big topic that surfaced on this WikiCon. More and more projects, especially external projects like OpenStreetMap, is getting interlinked with Wikimedia projects. The WikiData project which is currently still in preparation had inflicted a lot of interest. OpenStreetMap and OpenSeeMap are hoping to tap those data for example. The wiki for water sport is concepted as a wiki that will automatically tap both data from Wikipedia and WikiData as well as from OpenSeeMap. The demand on a possibility to single sign on cross projects is getting louder. It is very delightful for me to see that on these conferences there are still new people who show up to see if they can still join the community. I spoke with at least four of them in Dornbirn. One of them a very old man, I would guess on his 80s. He is himself an encyclopedist and wrote many thousand articles for a specialist encyclopedia on international laws. And when he said that he want to contribute and asked me on my advice I feel both overwhelmed as well as fearful to lead him to face the anonymous hostility that a newbie often face when he starts in our projects. Personally I was happy to have the oppotunity to camp again, although the first day and night almost rained continuously. I didn't do it for years and really enjoyed the fresh morning air and even the patting of rain drops on the tent. As always I provide carpool sharing and this time I took User:Alam_ffm with me. He is native polish and lives almost as long as me in Germany. He is active on both polish and german Wikipedia and is also active in the polish chapter. So during the drive he told me a lot of things about polish german Wikipedia interactions, about cross boarder meet ups and about the polish Wikipedia, which I know very little about, and which, as every Wikipedia language version, has a rich and interesting history. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself if needed. All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content and even acknowledged it can be reused. If they were to try to sue, they would have a pretty high standing hurdle to overcome given they don't own any of the content. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
Academic yes, however it's noise in their claim. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content and even acknowledged it can be reused. If they were to try to sue, they would have a pretty high standing hurdle to overcome given they don't own any of the content. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Chapter reports WMNL
Hello, Here are the reports for the activities of Wikimedia Nederland in the months July and August 2012. Kind regards Ziko van Dijk http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201207 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201208 --- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht --- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
