Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[geni]

On 14 October 2012 22:12, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> Will access to Wikipedia for people in Saudi Arabia be uncensored?

Very unlikely.

> Has there been any agreement with Saudi Telecom on censorship?

The Saudi's don't like to discuss their censorship policies with
outsiders. I would assume that they take the view that it is something
they can manage on their own.

-- 
geni

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Moushira Elamrawy]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Theo10011  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Moushira Elamrawy  >wrote:
>
> > @Andreas:  Censorship!  Thats interesting --but my understanding is that
> > Wikiipedia is fine in KSA, except for some visual content that is being
> > blocked.
>
>
> Not exactly.[1][2] ;)
>

Yes, this too, but people always manage to work around it ;)
In general it is accessible and better than the censorship status in other
countries (Syria!), and the government is investing in increasing Wikipedia
Arabic content, so a lot could be done to expand readership and editor base
with the current status, even if it isn't perfect.

Best,
M

>
> Regards
> Theo
>
> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Saudi_Arabia#Internet
> [2]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_articles_censored_in_Saudi_Arabia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/10/14 Federico Leva (Nemo) :
> Tomasz Ganicz, 14/10/2012 22:36:
>>
>> 2012/10/14 James Heilman:
>>
>>> Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
>>> Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One
>>> does
>>> not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws however this will be
>>> clearly described in the policies once incorporated.
>>>
>>
>> Authority - none - but as the main goal of chapters is just to support
>> Wikimedia projects and communities as a whole rather without any
>> direct influence over project's content or rules of the projects,
>> thematic associations are clearly about the content of projects as
>> such. If Wikimedia Medicine activity had no any impact over medical
>> content of Wikipedias there would not have any sense to have such
>> organization :-)
>
>
> By the way that's also the point of the discussion on en.wiki mentioned by
> Bence.[1] (Again, I'm just taking this as an example.)
> This is exactly why thematic organisations need not a less clear, but a more
> clear, general rule/line of demarcation than chapters.
> Now that I think of it, you'll also need something about the visibility you
> can get on Wikimedia projects: sitenotices, notices of all sort, even just
> templates "this article/whatever was supported/provided/rubberstamped by
> entity X" tend to be subject to controversies. ChapCom/AffCom will know
> better and you can build on years of experience of chapters. ;-)
>

I guess there is a danger that in due time, someone may apply to
create "Wikimedia Alternative Medicine Association" or "Wikimedia
Traditional Chineese Medicine Association" if the Wikimedia Medicine
would decide to advocate for scientific POV in medical content in
Wikipedia...   And the medicine is not that controversial issue - but
take into consideration that there is already a proposal for:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT

so we can expect, just for the sake of keeping a balance of neutrality
of the Wikimedia  establishement of "Wikimedia Heterosexual
Association". Then someone may create some day  "Wikimedia Roman
Catholic Association" and then for the balance also "Wikimedia
Protestant Association"...



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[Wikimedia-l] Meeting on Monday with Group Contacts for WM IRC channels

[ENWP Pine]

Greetings,

For those who might not have seen the announcements in #wikimedia-ops and other 
IRC channels:

There will be a meeting with the Group Contacts for the WM IRC channels on 
Monday, October 15. 

Agenda and details are available at 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/October_2012

So far, messages have been given in the following channels:

#wikimedia
#wikimedia-ops
#wikimedia-commons
#wikimedia-stewards
#wikipedia
#wikipedia-de
#wikipedia-en
#wikipedia-es
#wikipedia-fr
#wikipedia-it
#wikipedia-nl
#wikipedia-pl
#wikipedia-ru

I have attempted to contact people in these channels but didn’t get a reply, so 
if anyone who has competence in the language, please translate and forward this 
announcement. Additional languages are also welcome.

#wikipedia-pt
#wikipedia-ja
#wikipedia-zh

Thank you.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Theo10011]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Moushira Elamrawy wrote:

> @Andreas:  Censorship!  Thats interesting --but my understanding is that
> Wikiipedia is fine in KSA, except for some visual content that is being
> blocked.


Not exactly.[1][2] ;)

Regards
Theo

[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Saudi_Arabia#Internet
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_articles_censored_in_Saudi_Arabia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Moushira Elamrawy]

Awesome!

Congrats to mobile team for a promising deal. Great job! Can't wait to see
readership _and edit (for the future!)_ stats in KSA for the next months.

@Andreas:  Censorship!  Thats interesting --but my understanding is that
Wikiipedia is fine in KSA, except for some visual content that is being
blocked.

Once again, thumbs up to mobile team, legal, admin, and anyone who helped
this deal come true.

Best,
/M

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Will access to Wikipedia for people in Saudi Arabia be uncensored?
>
> Has there been any agreement with Saudi Telecom on censorship?
>
> Andreas
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Jay Walsh  wrote:
>
> > Hi folks - sharing a news release that WMF issued this morning along with
> > STC.
> >
> > (This press release is also posted on the WMF wiki at
> >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/WMF_and_STC_partner_on_WP_Zero_in_the_Middle_East
> > )
> >
> > '''The Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide
> > access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East'''
> >
> > ''Service available immediately to STC customers in Saudi Arabia''
> >
> > San Francisco, California and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia -- October 14, 2012
> > -- Saudi Telecom Company (STC) and the Wikimedia Foundation announced
> > a new partnership today to offer Wikipedia free of data charges on
> > mobile devices to STC customers in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait.
> > By making Wikipedia available to its 25 million mobile customers, STC
> > and the Wikimedia Foundation commit to increasing access to the free
> > and open knowledge available on Wikipedia. Wikipedia Zero enables
> > customers to browse the website for free and with high flexibility on
> > all mobile phones.
> >
> > This partnership is part of the Wikimedia Foundation's mobile
> > strategy, which focuses on reaching billions of people around the
> > world whose primary opportunity to access the Internet is via a mobile
> > device. This initiative is particularly important, given that the
> > Foundation has made Arabic language countries a special priority in
> > its strategic planning.
> >
> > “We are thrilled that STC has joined us in removing a major barrier to
> > accessing Wikipedia on mobile phones. Improving access to the
> > Wikimedia projects in the Arabic speaking world is a strategic
> > priority for the Foundation, and this partnership is a step forward in
> > our mission to enable everyone on the planet to access free
> > knowledge,” said Kul Takanao Wadhwa, Head of Mobile, Wikimedia
> > Foundation. “With Wikipedia Zero, the Wikimedia Foundation is able to
> > provide free Wikipedia access to almost 230 million mobile users
> > around the world. We’re very excited that STC is joining us in this
> > mission.”
> >
> > In collaboration with “Intigral”, a company specialized in providing
> > digital media solutions to telecom operators, STC subscribers can now
> > access the free service in both Arabic and English by pointing their
> > mobile browser to m.wikipedia.org.  A lightweight, text-only version
> > optimized for slower connections is also available at
> > zero.wikipedia.org. The move comes as STC continues to consolidate its
> > leadership in various fields, especially in social awareness and the
> > fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture. Wikipedia Zero will also be
> > available through the mobile browser, and features high browsing
> > speeds despite being a free service.
> >
> > Eng. Ibrahim Al Omar, Vice President for Personal Services, said “One
> > of the principles that STC adheres to is the commitment to spreading
> > social awareness and the fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture that
> > accomplishes the aspirations of all segments of our customer-base.” He
> > then added, “Wikipedia Zero is considered an additional cornerstone
> > that supports the continuous efforts of STC in the field of social
> > awareness.”
> >
> > The launch of Wikipedia Zero comes in line with STC’s strategy to
> > prioritize customer needs, and is an affirmation of the company’s
> > commitment to fulfilling customer expectations while meeting their
> > demands, and to continuously develop its services to satisfy their
> > aspirations and give them a variety of unrestricted options and
> > alternatives.
> >
> > For more information, please refer to the partnership Q&A at:
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#STC
> >
> > '''About Saudi Telecom'''
> > www.stc.com.sa
> >
> > Saudi Telecom Company, together with its subsidiaries, provides
> > telecommunications services to individuals and businesses primarily in
> > the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Its GSM segment primarily offers mobile,
> > prepaid cards, international roaming, and messaging services. The
> > company’s Landline segment principally provides fixed line, card
> > telephones, interconnect, and international call services. Its DATA
> > segment primarily offers leased dat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Andreas Kolbe]

Will access to Wikipedia for people in Saudi Arabia be uncensored?

Has there been any agreement with Saudi Telecom on censorship?

Andreas

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Jay Walsh  wrote:

> Hi folks - sharing a news release that WMF issued this morning along with
> STC.
>
> (This press release is also posted on the WMF wiki at
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/WMF_and_STC_partner_on_WP_Zero_in_the_Middle_East
> )
>
> '''The Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide
> access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East'''
>
> ''Service available immediately to STC customers in Saudi Arabia''
>
> San Francisco, California and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia -- October 14, 2012
> -- Saudi Telecom Company (STC) and the Wikimedia Foundation announced
> a new partnership today to offer Wikipedia free of data charges on
> mobile devices to STC customers in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait.
> By making Wikipedia available to its 25 million mobile customers, STC
> and the Wikimedia Foundation commit to increasing access to the free
> and open knowledge available on Wikipedia. Wikipedia Zero enables
> customers to browse the website for free and with high flexibility on
> all mobile phones.
>
> This partnership is part of the Wikimedia Foundation's mobile
> strategy, which focuses on reaching billions of people around the
> world whose primary opportunity to access the Internet is via a mobile
> device. This initiative is particularly important, given that the
> Foundation has made Arabic language countries a special priority in
> its strategic planning.
>
> “We are thrilled that STC has joined us in removing a major barrier to
> accessing Wikipedia on mobile phones. Improving access to the
> Wikimedia projects in the Arabic speaking world is a strategic
> priority for the Foundation, and this partnership is a step forward in
> our mission to enable everyone on the planet to access free
> knowledge,” said Kul Takanao Wadhwa, Head of Mobile, Wikimedia
> Foundation. “With Wikipedia Zero, the Wikimedia Foundation is able to
> provide free Wikipedia access to almost 230 million mobile users
> around the world. We’re very excited that STC is joining us in this
> mission.”
>
> In collaboration with “Intigral”, a company specialized in providing
> digital media solutions to telecom operators, STC subscribers can now
> access the free service in both Arabic and English by pointing their
> mobile browser to m.wikipedia.org.  A lightweight, text-only version
> optimized for slower connections is also available at
> zero.wikipedia.org. The move comes as STC continues to consolidate its
> leadership in various fields, especially in social awareness and the
> fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture. Wikipedia Zero will also be
> available through the mobile browser, and features high browsing
> speeds despite being a free service.
>
> Eng. Ibrahim Al Omar, Vice President for Personal Services, said “One
> of the principles that STC adheres to is the commitment to spreading
> social awareness and the fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture that
> accomplishes the aspirations of all segments of our customer-base.” He
> then added, “Wikipedia Zero is considered an additional cornerstone
> that supports the continuous efforts of STC in the field of social
> awareness.”
>
> The launch of Wikipedia Zero comes in line with STC’s strategy to
> prioritize customer needs, and is an affirmation of the company’s
> commitment to fulfilling customer expectations while meeting their
> demands, and to continuously develop its services to satisfy their
> aspirations and give them a variety of unrestricted options and
> alternatives.
>
> For more information, please refer to the partnership Q&A at:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#STC
>
> '''About Saudi Telecom'''
> www.stc.com.sa
>
> Saudi Telecom Company, together with its subsidiaries, provides
> telecommunications services to individuals and businesses primarily in
> the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Its GSM segment primarily offers mobile,
> prepaid cards, international roaming, and messaging services. The
> company’s Landline segment principally provides fixed line, card
> telephones, interconnect, and international call services. Its DATA
> segment primarily offers leased data transmission circuits, DSL, and
> Internet services. The company also engages in the operation of
> communications projects; transmission and processing of information;
> wholesale and retail trade of recharge card services,
> telecommunication equipment and devices, and computer services; sale
> and re-sale of various landlines and mobiles telecommunication
> services; and maintenance and operation of commercial centers. In
> addition, it provides mobile services, international
> telecommunications, broad band, and other related services in Bahrain;
> and operates third generation mobile network in Indonesia. The company
> was founded in 199

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Tomasz Ganicz, 14/10/2012 22:36:

2012/10/14 James Heilman:

Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does
not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws however this will be
clearly described in the policies once incorporated.



Authority - none - but as the main goal of chapters is just to support
Wikimedia projects and communities as a whole rather without any
direct influence over project's content or rules of the projects,
thematic associations are clearly about the content of projects as
such. If Wikimedia Medicine activity had no any impact over medical
content of Wikipedias there would not have any sense to have such
organization :-)


By the way that's also the point of the discussion on en.wiki mentioned 
by Bence.[1] (Again, I'm just taking this as an example.)
This is exactly why thematic organisations need not a less clear, but a 
more clear, general rule/line of demarcation than chapters.
Now that I think of it, you'll also need something about the visibility 
you can get on Wikimedia projects: sitenotices, notices of all sort, 
even just templates "this article/whatever was 
supported/provided/rubberstamped by entity X" tend to be subject to 
controversies. ChapCom/AffCom will know better and you can build on 
years of experience of chapters. ;-)


Nemo

[1] Permanent link: 
 

Where doubts like «it will become a meta-arbitration committee for 
medical issues» are raised.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Tomasz Ganicz]

2012/10/14 James Heilman :
> Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
> Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does
> not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws however this will be
> clearly described in the policies once incorporated.
>

Authority - none - but as the main goal of chapters is just to support
Wikimedia projects and communities as a whole rather without any
direct influence over project's content or rules of the projects,
thematic associations are clearly about the content of projects as
such. If Wikimedia Medicine activity had no any impact over medical
content of Wikipedias there would not have any sense to have such
organization :-)

I think it is nothing wrong with it, I rather see great opportunity
here - for example in bringing more professionals to edit Wikipedias
and - maybe - be able to successfully apply for scientific grants from
relevant governmental and private sources...


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

James Heilman, 14/10/2012 22:18:

Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does
not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws [...]


Actually, chapters do and very clearly, as a general rule.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 22:05:

See also the specific discussions on this question at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Other
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Liability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent#arbitrary_break_2 (and
above)


Thank you. This point should surely be more developed, especially as 
they write things like «develops guidelines on best practices for [...] 
how the Wikipedia community ought to respond when it gets requests for 
medical advice».
However, I'm not that interested in this particular case and its edge 
discussions, I'd like the rule to be clarified in general, as it was 
with chapters since the beginning (or at least since the third chapter, 
WMIT, in 2005; I don't remember WMDE and WMFR original bylaws that well).


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[James Heilman]

Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does
not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws however this will be
clearly described in the policies once incorporated.

-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Bence Damokos]

Hi Nemo,

Hopefully people involved in the project are subscribed here and will
react, as well and provide a clear definition of their aims.

There are two sides to this coin: the should and the will: a thematic
organisation should not have any control or power over the projects; it is
a different question whether the organisation itself adopts policies and
behaviors that could be seen as interfering into the internals of the
project or actively avoids such behavior.

See also the specific discussions on this question at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Other
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Liability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent#arbitrary_break_2 (and
above)

Best regards,
Bence

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Thanks for the notice.
>
> Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 19:07:
>
>  A bit of background:
>> Wikimedia thematic organisations are a new type of movement organisation,
>> that are similar to chapters in supporting the Wikimedia mission through
>> their activities in the real world, but instead of focusing on a given
>> country, they focus on a given topic or theme.
>> For more information please see:
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Thematic_**Organizations
>>
>
> I know what thematic organisations are, I've read [[Wikimedia Medicine]]
> and skimmed its talk and bylaws, I know what they've been doing and what
> they want to do etc., but I'm still very confused.
> This is some sort of meta-WikiProject, so, in short: will it be written
> clearly somewhere that it won't have any control or power to establish
> guidelines over Wikimedia projects, and so on? (Just like chapters do.)
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Thanks for the notice.

Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 19:07:

A bit of background:
Wikimedia thematic organisations are a new type of movement organisation,
that are similar to chapters in supporting the Wikimedia mission through
their activities in the real world, but instead of focusing on a given
country, they focus on a given topic or theme.
For more information please see:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations


I know what thematic organisations are, I've read [[Wikimedia Medicine]] 
and skimmed its talk and bylaws, I know what they've been doing and what 
they want to do etc., but I'm still very confused.
This is some sort of meta-WikiProject, so, in short: will it be written 
clearly somewhere that it won't have any control or power to establish 
guidelines over Wikimedia projects, and so on? (Just like chapters do.)


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

phoebe ayers, 14/10/2012 21:19:

Also, not to state the obvious, but 'helpful' feedback in and of
itself doesn't mean the article changed for the better; I've marked
plenty of feedback 'helpful' without doing anything further about it.
Is there any data about rate of change of the articles since AFT was
enabled? (probably pretty hard to measure since articles are
individually fluid at much different rates, depending on topic, and
you'd have to control for the baseline likeliness of random bursts of
editing somehow).


This was the original aim of AFT, to monitor the Public Policy 
initiative effects, so it's definitely possible, but I think they're 
mostly doing research about the tool itself now?


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Kul Wadhwa]

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, rupert THURNER
wrote:

> that sounds great! is this offer available to all STC clients, or only
> restricted to certain plans?
>

To all STC customers. More details here:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#STC

-- 
Kul Wadhwa
Head of Mobile
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

[Phil Nash]

I found it mostly useless. Not only could I mark the feedback resolved, 
which should not be possible for a banned user (!), but the feedback was 
either gibberish/abuse or unhelpful in the sense of (1) the material 
requested was already in the article, or a linked article, or (2) the 
complaint was too unspecific to be actionable. Since I have about 4700 
articles watchlisted, I feel this is a representative sample, and the result 
is only to be expected from "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Does 
this feature justify its cost? No.



- Original Message - 
From: "phoebe ayers" 

To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?


On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:

Thank you for enabling it again. I had read about the blind tests in <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Article_feedback/Quality_assessment>
before but I see some major changes in the graphs, which are a bit hard to
understand.


1) In "Daily moderation actions (percentage)" there's a huge spike of
helpful/unhelpful after C (July), did those flags even exist before? Or 
did

helpfulness increase after wider usage according to the finding «the
average page receives higher quality feedback than pages picked for their
popularity/controversial topic»? (There's no change between 5 and 10 %
though.)


*They did; the spike is most probably caused by a deployment from 0.6
percent of articles to 5 percent of articles, with a resulting "ooh, 
shiny!

Lets take a look" reaction.


Indeed; I remember some (internal) announcements around this, which
caused me and no doubt others to while away an evening just after
deployment clicking helpful/unhelpful :)

Also, not to state the obvious, but 'helpful' feedback in and of
itself doesn't mean the article changed for the better; I've marked
plenty of feedback 'helpful' without doing anything further about it.
Is there any data about rate of change of the articles since AFT was
enabled? (probably pretty hard to measure since articles are
individually fluid at much different rates, depending on topic, and
you'd have to control for the baseline likeliness of random bursts of
editing somehow).

-- phoebe

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

[Thomas Dalton]

On 14 October 2012 20:19, phoebe ayers  wrote:
> Indeed; I remember some (internal) announcements around this, which
> caused me and no doubt others to while away an evening just after
> deployment clicking helpful/unhelpful :)

I didn't spend an entire evening on it, but I can certainly say those
announcements prompted me to go and moderate feedback which I then
didn't sustain. If lots of people did the same as us, that would
certainly give a spike in the graphs.

> Also, not to state the obvious, but 'helpful' feedback in and of
> itself doesn't mean the article changed for the better; I've marked
> plenty of feedback 'helpful' without doing anything further about it.
> Is there any data about rate of change of the articles since AFT was
> enabled? (probably pretty hard to measure since articles are
> individually fluid at much different rates, depending on topic, and
> you'd have to control for the baseline likeliness of random bursts of
> editing somehow).

That is a very important point. The goal of the AFT is not to collect
feedback, but to improve articles (either by people acting on the
feedback or, perhaps more interestingly, but people giving feedback
and then being prompted to edit themselves).

Collecting statistics on the feedback itself is a good first stage in
the experimentation process, but it does need to be followed up be
statistics on whether the ultimate goal is being achieved or not
(based on anecdotal evidence, I suspect it isn't at this point, but it
is early days).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

[phoebe ayers]

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:
> Thank you for enabling it again. I had read about the blind tests in <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Article_feedback/Quality_assessment>
> before but I see some major changes in the graphs, which are a bit hard to
> understand.
>
>> 1) In "Daily moderation actions (percentage)" there's a huge spike of
>> helpful/unhelpful after C (July), did those flags even exist before? Or did
>> helpfulness increase after wider usage according to the finding «the
>> average page receives higher quality feedback than pages picked for their
>> popularity/controversial topic»? (There's no change between 5 and 10 %
>> though.)
>>
> *They did; the spike is most probably caused by a deployment from 0.6
> percent of articles to 5 percent of articles, with a resulting "ooh, shiny!
> Lets take a look" reaction.

Indeed; I remember some (internal) announcements around this, which
caused me and no doubt others to while away an evening just after
deployment clicking helpful/unhelpful :)

Also, not to state the obvious, but 'helpful' feedback in and of
itself doesn't mean the article changed for the better; I've marked
plenty of feedback 'helpful' without doing anything further about it.
Is there any data about rate of change of the articles since AFT was
enabled? (probably pretty hard to measure since articles are
individually fluid at much different rates, depending on topic, and
you'd have to control for the baseline likeliness of random bursts of
editing somehow).

-- phoebe

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Mohamed Ibrahim]

Wonderful news!
Big thanks goes for all the people who made this happen.

On 14 October 2012 20:32, Jay Walsh  wrote:

> Hi folks - sharing a news release that WMF issued this morning along with
> STC.
>
> (This press release is also posted on the WMF wiki at
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/WMF_and_STC_partner_on_WP_Zero_in_the_Middle_East
> )
>
> '''The Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide
> access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East'''
>
> ''Service available immediately to STC customers in Saudi Arabia''
>
> San Francisco, California and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia -- October 14, 2012
> -- Saudi Telecom Company (STC) and the Wikimedia Foundation announced
> a new partnership today to offer Wikipedia free of data charges on
> mobile devices to STC customers in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait.
> By making Wikipedia available to its 25 million mobile customers, STC
> and the Wikimedia Foundation commit to increasing access to the free
> and open knowledge available on Wikipedia. Wikipedia Zero enables
> customers to browse the website for free and with high flexibility on
> all mobile phones.
>
> This partnership is part of the Wikimedia Foundation's mobile
> strategy, which focuses on reaching billions of people around the
> world whose primary opportunity to access the Internet is via a mobile
> device. This initiative is particularly important, given that the
> Foundation has made Arabic language countries a special priority in
> its strategic planning.
>
> “We are thrilled that STC has joined us in removing a major barrier to
> accessing Wikipedia on mobile phones. Improving access to the
> Wikimedia projects in the Arabic speaking world is a strategic
> priority for the Foundation, and this partnership is a step forward in
> our mission to enable everyone on the planet to access free
> knowledge,” said Kul Takanao Wadhwa, Head of Mobile, Wikimedia
> Foundation. “With Wikipedia Zero, the Wikimedia Foundation is able to
> provide free Wikipedia access to almost 230 million mobile users
> around the world. We’re very excited that STC is joining us in this
> mission.”
>
> In collaboration with “Intigral”, a company specialized in providing
> digital media solutions to telecom operators, STC subscribers can now
> access the free service in both Arabic and English by pointing their
> mobile browser to m.wikipedia.org.  A lightweight, text-only version
> optimized for slower connections is also available at
> zero.wikipedia.org. The move comes as STC continues to consolidate its
> leadership in various fields, especially in social awareness and the
> fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture. Wikipedia Zero will also be
> available through the mobile browser, and features high browsing
> speeds despite being a free service.
>
> Eng. Ibrahim Al Omar, Vice President for Personal Services, said “One
> of the principles that STC adheres to is the commitment to spreading
> social awareness and the fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture that
> accomplishes the aspirations of all segments of our customer-base.” He
> then added, “Wikipedia Zero is considered an additional cornerstone
> that supports the continuous efforts of STC in the field of social
> awareness.”
>
> The launch of Wikipedia Zero comes in line with STC’s strategy to
> prioritize customer needs, and is an affirmation of the company’s
> commitment to fulfilling customer expectations while meeting their
> demands, and to continuously develop its services to satisfy their
> aspirations and give them a variety of unrestricted options and
> alternatives.
>
> For more information, please refer to the partnership Q&A at:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#STC
>
> '''About Saudi Telecom'''
> www.stc.com.sa
>
> Saudi Telecom Company, together with its subsidiaries, provides
> telecommunications services to individuals and businesses primarily in
> the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Its GSM segment primarily offers mobile,
> prepaid cards, international roaming, and messaging services. The
> company’s Landline segment principally provides fixed line, card
> telephones, interconnect, and international call services. Its DATA
> segment primarily offers leased data transmission circuits, DSL, and
> Internet services. The company also engages in the operation of
> communications projects; transmission and processing of information;
> wholesale and retail trade of recharge card services,
> telecommunication equipment and devices, and computer services; sale
> and re-sale of various landlines and mobiles telecommunication
> services; and maintenance and operation of commercial centers. In
> addition, it provides mobile services, international
> telecommunications, broad band, and other related services in Bahrain;
> and operates third generation mobile network in Indonesia. The company
> was founded in 1998 and is headquartered in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
>
> '''About Wikimedia Fou

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

[Jay Walsh]

Hi folks - sharing a news release that WMF issued this morning along with STC.

(This press release is also posted on the WMF wiki at
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/WMF_and_STC_partner_on_WP_Zero_in_the_Middle_East)

'''The Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide
access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East'''

''Service available immediately to STC customers in Saudi Arabia''

San Francisco, California and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia -- October 14, 2012
-- Saudi Telecom Company (STC) and the Wikimedia Foundation announced
a new partnership today to offer Wikipedia free of data charges on
mobile devices to STC customers in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait.
By making Wikipedia available to its 25 million mobile customers, STC
and the Wikimedia Foundation commit to increasing access to the free
and open knowledge available on Wikipedia. Wikipedia Zero enables
customers to browse the website for free and with high flexibility on
all mobile phones.

This partnership is part of the Wikimedia Foundation's mobile
strategy, which focuses on reaching billions of people around the
world whose primary opportunity to access the Internet is via a mobile
device. This initiative is particularly important, given that the
Foundation has made Arabic language countries a special priority in
its strategic planning.

“We are thrilled that STC has joined us in removing a major barrier to
accessing Wikipedia on mobile phones. Improving access to the
Wikimedia projects in the Arabic speaking world is a strategic
priority for the Foundation, and this partnership is a step forward in
our mission to enable everyone on the planet to access free
knowledge,” said Kul Takanao Wadhwa, Head of Mobile, Wikimedia
Foundation. “With Wikipedia Zero, the Wikimedia Foundation is able to
provide free Wikipedia access to almost 230 million mobile users
around the world. We’re very excited that STC is joining us in this
mission.”

In collaboration with “Intigral”, a company specialized in providing
digital media solutions to telecom operators, STC subscribers can now
access the free service in both Arabic and English by pointing their
mobile browser to m.wikipedia.org.  A lightweight, text-only version
optimized for slower connections is also available at
zero.wikipedia.org. The move comes as STC continues to consolidate its
leadership in various fields, especially in social awareness and the
fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture. Wikipedia Zero will also be
available through the mobile browser, and features high browsing
speeds despite being a free service.

Eng. Ibrahim Al Omar, Vice President for Personal Services, said “One
of the principles that STC adheres to is the commitment to spreading
social awareness and the fostering of a knowledge-sharing culture that
accomplishes the aspirations of all segments of our customer-base.” He
then added, “Wikipedia Zero is considered an additional cornerstone
that supports the continuous efforts of STC in the field of social
awareness.”

The launch of Wikipedia Zero comes in line with STC’s strategy to
prioritize customer needs, and is an affirmation of the company’s
commitment to fulfilling customer expectations while meeting their
demands, and to continuously develop its services to satisfy their
aspirations and give them a variety of unrestricted options and
alternatives.

For more information, please refer to the partnership Q&A at:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#STC

'''About Saudi Telecom'''
www.stc.com.sa

Saudi Telecom Company, together with its subsidiaries, provides
telecommunications services to individuals and businesses primarily in
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Its GSM segment primarily offers mobile,
prepaid cards, international roaming, and messaging services. The
company’s Landline segment principally provides fixed line, card
telephones, interconnect, and international call services. Its DATA
segment primarily offers leased data transmission circuits, DSL, and
Internet services. The company also engages in the operation of
communications projects; transmission and processing of information;
wholesale and retail trade of recharge card services,
telecommunication equipment and devices, and computer services; sale
and re-sale of various landlines and mobiles telecommunication
services; and maintenance and operation of commercial centers. In
addition, it provides mobile services, international
telecommunications, broad band, and other related services in Bahrain;
and operates third generation mobile network in Indonesia. The company
was founded in 1998 and is headquartered in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

'''About Wikimedia Foundation'''
http://wikimediafoundation.org
http://blog.wikimedia.org

The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization that operates
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. According to comScore Media Metrix,
Wikipedia and the other projects operated by the Wikimedia Foundation
receive more

[Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

[Bence Damokos]

Dear all,

I wanted to update you on behalf of the Affiliations Committee that we are
now considering the application of a proposed thematic organisation active
in the field of Medicine.

You can see the proposal at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Medicine

We would like to invite you to participate in the discussions, express your
interest to join the organisation and inform your home communities about
this proposal.

We will be monitoring the talk page at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine to see if there is
any new information that might influence the recognition process.
If you have any related information you would like to share with the
committee privately, please write to .


A bit of background:
Wikimedia thematic organisations are a new type of movement organisation,
that are similar to chapters in supporting the Wikimedia mission through
their activities in the real world, but instead of focusing on a given
country, they focus on a given topic or theme.
For more information please see:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations.

It is the plan of the Affiliations Committee to send out announcements of
new thematic organisation applications roughly in the middle of the
recognition process to allow the wider community to express any concerns
they might have and to be able to join the organisation when it is founded.
This is done in the hope that it will help new organisations reach critical
mass earlier and that the wider community is informed about emerging
entities in the movement.
For more information on AffCom, see:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee

Best regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

[John]

Next time you get said message can you take a screenshot and let us
know, (it is by default somewhere over 60/edits per minute)

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Andrew Gray  wrote:
> On 14 October 2012 15:50, John  wrote:
>> IPs shouldnt get hit with an edit throttle, (it is really really high)
>
> It doesn't seem it! Over the past few months, I've had it triggered
> four times in an hour in two workshops, and one or two times in
> perhaps four more. They're not all at the same location or using the
> same machines, though they were all using institutional networks.
> These are all new logged-in contributors editing from - presumably -
> the same IP; I've not had it happen to me in the same sessions, but
> that might just be chance.
>
> These aren't very busy networks, however, and I can't imagine there's
> a vast flood of active editing coming from them at the same time as
> the workshop...
>
> Is it possible to see where this is configured?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

[Andrew Gray]

On 14 October 2012 15:50, John  wrote:
> IPs shouldnt get hit with an edit throttle, (it is really really high)

It doesn't seem it! Over the past few months, I've had it triggered
four times in an hour in two workshops, and one or two times in
perhaps four more. They're not all at the same location or using the
same machines, though they were all using institutional networks.
These are all new logged-in contributors editing from - presumably -
the same IP; I've not had it happen to me in the same sessions, but
that might just be chance.

These aren't very busy networks, however, and I can't imagine there's
a vast flood of active editing coming from them at the same time as
the workshop...

Is it possible to see where this is configured?

-- 
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  andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

[John]

IPs shouldnt get hit with an edit throttle, (it is really really high)

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Andrew Gray  wrote:
> On 14 October 2012 13:59, John  wrote:
>> If you are planning an event it is fairly easy to get your IP address
>> temporarily whitelisted from the account creation throttle. You just
>> need to know your IP address that will be used.
>
> Is it possible to whitelist IPs from the "edit throttle", though? That
> one's the killer, and it's not really possible to workaround.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

[Andrew Gray]

On 14 October 2012 13:59, John  wrote:
> If you are planning an event it is fairly easy to get your IP address
> temporarily whitelisted from the account creation throttle. You just
> need to know your IP address that will be used.

Is it possible to whitelist IPs from the "edit throttle", though? That
one's the killer, and it's not really possible to workaround.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

[John]

If you are planning an event it is fairly easy to get your IP address
temporarily whitelisted from the account creation throttle. You just
need to know your IP address that will be used.

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Craig Franklin  wrote:
> Can I second this one, we've run into it occasionally in WMAU outreach
> sessions as well, and it's always fun explaining why it's said "no" to
> someone without a foundation in computers or internet culture.  A brief
> explanation of why it's happened and what to do in order to not lose your
> edit, made in simple language, would be lovely.
>
> We do find that the best way to get around the account creation throttle is
> to get people to create their accounts beforehand.  In a given class,
> there's usually one or two who don't get the message or are unable to do
> it, but they can usually be dealt with by the instructor without triggering
> anything.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:33:54 +0100
>> From: Andrew Gray 
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List ,
>> Philippe Beaudette 
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please can someone put 50p in the meter
>> Message-ID:
>> > fljhrgck+9ftttqmhsx1cgd+ob50vxtom0+qcjrih...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I evade account creation by always making them log in first...
>>
>> Periodically, with a roomful of users, we'll get told that an edit has been
>> "throttled"; no further details, I think. It seems to happen with one or at
>> most two editors at a time out of a dozen, but it can happen to different
>> people later on. This happened several times in a couple of weeks in the
>> summer (I only started workshops in June), and then occasionally since -
>> including yesterday. I originally assumed it was related to external-link
>> additions by new users, but I've seen it for no-link sandbox edits as well.
>>
>> My guess is that this entails something to do with checking for multiple
>> edits from the same IP at once, but I don't know if this is actually the
>> reason, or if it can be disabled/whitelisted.
>>
>> (It's the one I give, though! Corrections gratefully appreciated)
>>
>> - Andrew.
>> On 13 Oct 2012 17:25, "Philippe Beaudette"  wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, WereSpielChequers
>> >  wrote:
>> > > As it is this combined with the "throttling feature" made for
>> > > quite a bit of disruption to a session where we had ten people having
>> an
>> > > introduction to editing.
>> >
>> > By "throttling feature", do you mean the account creation
>> > restrictions?  If so, you know there are ways around that, right?
>> > Email me offlist, so as not to clutter the list, and I'll give you a
>> > pointer.
>> >
>> > If you mean something different, disregard :)
>> >
>> > pb
>> > ___
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>> > Director, Community Advocacy
>> > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>> >
>> > 415-839-6885, x 6643
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[Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

[Craig Franklin]

Can I second this one, we've run into it occasionally in WMAU outreach
sessions as well, and it's always fun explaining why it's said "no" to
someone without a foundation in computers or internet culture.  A brief
explanation of why it's happened and what to do in order to not lose your
edit, made in simple language, would be lovely.

We do find that the best way to get around the account creation throttle is
to get people to create their accounts beforehand.  In a given class,
there's usually one or two who don't get the message or are unable to do
it, but they can usually be dealt with by the instructor without triggering
anything.

Cheers,
Craig

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:33:54 +0100
> From: Andrew Gray 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List ,
> Philippe Beaudette 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please can someone put 50p in the meter
> Message-ID:
>  fljhrgck+9ftttqmhsx1cgd+ob50vxtom0+qcjrih...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I evade account creation by always making them log in first...
>
> Periodically, with a roomful of users, we'll get told that an edit has been
> "throttled"; no further details, I think. It seems to happen with one or at
> most two editors at a time out of a dozen, but it can happen to different
> people later on. This happened several times in a couple of weeks in the
> summer (I only started workshops in June), and then occasionally since -
> including yesterday. I originally assumed it was related to external-link
> additions by new users, but I've seen it for no-link sandbox edits as well.
>
> My guess is that this entails something to do with checking for multiple
> edits from the same IP at once, but I don't know if this is actually the
> reason, or if it can be disabled/whitelisted.
>
> (It's the one I give, though! Corrections gratefully appreciated)
>
> - Andrew.
> On 13 Oct 2012 17:25, "Philippe Beaudette"  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, WereSpielChequers
> >  wrote:
> > > As it is this combined with the "throttling feature" made for
> > > quite a bit of disruption to a session where we had ten people having
> an
> > > introduction to editing.
> >
> > By "throttling feature", do you mean the account creation
> > restrictions?  If so, you know there are ways around that, right?
> > Email me offlist, so as not to clutter the list, and I'll give you a
> > pointer.
> >
> > If you mean something different, disregard :)
> >
> > pb
> > ___
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> > Director, Community Advocacy
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> >
> > 415-839-6885, x 6643
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

[Oliver Keyes]

Thank you for enabling it again. I had read about the blind tests in <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Article_feedback/Quality_assessment>
before but I see some major changes in the graphs, which are a bit hard to
understand.

> 1) In "Daily moderation actions (percentage)" there's a huge spike of
> helpful/unhelpful after C (July), did those flags even exist before? Or did
> helpfulness increase after wider usage according to the finding «the
> average page receives higher quality feedback than pages picked for their
> popularity/controversial topic»? (There's no change between 5 and 10 %
> though.)
>
*They did; the spike is most probably caused by a deployment from 0.6
percent of articles to 5 percent of articles, with a resulting "ooh, shiny!
Lets take a look" reaction.

2) "Unique daily articles with feedback moderated" shows a spike and then a
> stabilization, but I don't know what the graphs actually is about. For
> instance, can feedback be moderated per article ("feedback semi/full
> protection" or so) or only per item, etc. Do you know if moderation happens
> on the same articles and if stricter moderation increases helpfulness of
> feedback also on non-moderated articles?
>

*So, I *believe* it means "the number of distinct articles which have had
feedback moderated that day", regardless of whether people use the
article-specific page or the centralised page, but I'm not sure - some
clarification from Dario would be awesome :). Ditto your other questions,
particularly on the distribution of articles.

>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Dario Taraborelli, 12/10/2012 15:41:

On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:11, "Federico Leva (Nemo)"  wrote:


we have some preliminary usage data coming from the FeedbackPage: 
http://toolserver.org/~dartar/fp/

Graphs are empty for me there, is it just me?


We have a temporary hardware issue affecting the slave DB from which this data 
is pulled. Ops is on it and I hope to have it back soon.


Thank you for enabling it again. I had read about the blind tests in 
 
before but I see some major changes in the graphs, which are a bit hard 
to understand.
1) In "Daily moderation actions (percentage)" there's a huge spike of 
helpful/unhelpful after C (July), did those flags even exist before? Or 
did helpfulness increase after wider usage according to the finding «the 
average page receives higher quality feedback than pages picked for 
their popularity/controversial topic»? (There's no change between 5 and 
10 % though.)
2) "Unique daily articles with feedback moderated" shows a spike and 
then a stabilization, but I don't know what the graphs actually is 
about. For instance, can feedback be moderated per article ("feedback 
semi/full protection" or so) or only per item, etc. Do you know if 
moderation happens on the same articles and if stricter moderation 
increases helpfulness of feedback also on non-moderated articles?


Nemo


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