Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rationale for fundraising record?

[MZMcBride]

Zack Exley wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>>In previous discussions, there were questions about trade-offs and I
>>think you mentioned that the Wikimedia community would have to make some
>>choices about certain implementation details (e.g., "stickiness" of
>>banners) after evaluating the cost of these features (annoyance to
>>readers and editors) versus their benefit (increase in donations,
>>decrease in fundraising banner time, etc.). I realize it's January and
>>that the next annual fundraiser is many months away, but do you have any
>>idea when this year you'll be having a discussion about these trade-offs
>>and where?
>>
> 
>Any suggestions about how that might best be done? There are so few people
>who participate on this list that I would say this isn't a good place to
>measure the feelings of either WM contributions or readers.

Meta-Wiki ().

I agree that this list is not representative of the Wikimedia community
(and no forum will ever be truly representative), but I don't think that's
important here.

>There's also the problem of people not necessarily knowing what actually
>annoys them or interferes with their experience the most when it's being
>discussed in the abstract.

I don't follow. There are about a million test wikis available, including
test.wikipedia.org, test2.wikipedia.org, and an entire Wikimedia Labs
cluster that can be used for testing banners. You're absolutely right that
discussing banners and annoyance in the abstract would be useless, I just
have no idea why anyone ever would. There are about eleven months till the
start of the next annual fundraiser. In that time, I think it should be
possible to come up with a few demos for the community to evaluate and
assess.

>And surveys of course have their problems.

I don't follow. This doesn't seem to have stopped the Wikimedia Foundation
or any other organization on Earth from (regularly) using surveys.

>Moreover, what are the important questions? What do some editors find
>objectionable from an aesthetic point of view? (Even though we are now
>sparing logged in users completely.) What gets in the way of readers' use
>of the site? Or other more nuanced questions about readers' reactions? For
>example, do some choices cause readers to perceive banners as ads, cause
>confusion or possibly reduce readership?

Well, are we sparing logged in users completely? Who determines that? Is
that documented anywhere?

There are many ways to annoy readers. Generally anything that invades the
content area of the site (which is physically marked on the page with
borders) is off-limits and inappropriate to me. Others may disagree,
particularly if there's enough of a financial gain. These are the types of
discussions that need to be had.

It's always possible to do a full splash-screen and it would probably
bring in a lot of money, but I don't think anyone is advocating for such
an approach. That's one end of the spectrum. The other end is having no
banners at all and relying on simple word-of-mouth. The grey areas in
between these two extremes need further thought and consideration.
Meta-Wiki is the place for this.

>Any thoughts?

Your questions are a bit silly. :-)

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead - memorials

[ENWP Pine]

Numerous Wikipedians are leaving memorials on AaronSw's user talk page on 
English Wikipedia. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AaronSw

I've also added a link to there from Aaron's entry in WP:RIP.

Pine

  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

[Jussi-Ville Heiskanen]

The blog post was poignant.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

Congrats for the blog post about Aaron. I asked some friends to create
a homage for him and I will translate for Portuguese.

>From another mailing list, a petition was create on Avaaz, an
organization Aaron work to also. See bellow.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Harry Halpin 
Date: 2013/1/13
Subject: [okfn-discuss] Petition to have MIT and US Govt. issue an
apologies for prosecuting Aaron Schwartz
To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list 



I made a petition to demand an from MIT and the US Attorney of
Massachusetts apologies for their prosecution of Aaron Schwartz, a
prosecution that his parents say is partly to blame for his suicide.
The US Federal Government is also added since laws on the federal
level allow this kind of absurd prosecution. Feel free to sign:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Federal_Government_and_MIT_issue_a_formal_apologies_for_the_death_of_Aaron_Schwartz/?wgeiRd

>From the official statement of Swartz's family:

"Aaron's death is not simply a personal tragedy. It is the product
of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial
overreach. Decisions made by officials in the Massachusetts US
Attorney's office and at MIT contributed to his death. The US
Attorney's office pursued an exceptionally harsh array of charges,
carrying potentially over 30 years in prison, to punish an alleged
crime that had no victims. Meanwhile, unlike JSTOR, MIT refused to
stand up for Aaron and its own community's most cherished principles."


On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> Splendidly done. I'm mobile all day; could someone add a link to that, from
> the relevant section of [[WP: RIP]], please?
> On Jan 13, 2013 6:45 AM, "Tilman Bayer"  wrote:
>
>> The blog post it out now:
>>
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/01/12/remembering-aaron-swartz-1986-2013/

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"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more
useful than a life spent doing nothing."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage: Chance, bore, or hazard

[Ziko van Dijk]

Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2013 schrieb Craig Franklin :

>
> the Siegenthaler incident and the Essjay controversy.  With a relatively
> clean slate upon which to write, the Wikivoyagers can consider the
> structure of their project in a holistic way, being proactive in thinking
> about how they will manage such incidents before they actually arise, and
> avoid choking their project up with hundreds of rules created as a reaction
> to unfortunate incidents that could have been avoided by deciding on a
> simple set of rules to start with, and then consistently enforcing them.
>
>
Yes, that would be great. Hard cases make bad law.
Ziko






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

[Andy Mabbett]

Splendidly done. I'm mobile all day; could someone add a link to that, from
the relevant section of [[WP: RIP]], please?
On Jan 13, 2013 6:45 AM, "Tilman Bayer"  wrote:

> The blog post it out now:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/01/12/remembering-aaron-swartz-1986-2013/
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jay Walsh  wrote:
> >> > Official statement from the family:
> >> >
> >> > http://soupsoup.tumblr.com/**post/40373383323/official-**
> >> > statement-from-the-family-and-**partner-of<
> >>
> http://soupsoup.tumblr.com/post/40373383323/official-statement-from-the-family-and-partner-of
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I hope someone will perhaps write a blog post for the Wikimedia blog
> >> about
> >> > his impact on the Wikimedia and free knowledge movement. This could
> be a
> >> > community project.
> >> >
> >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Blog<
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Blog>
> >> >
> >> > -Sarah
> >> >
> >>
> >> I do not know about a blog post, but a few San Francisco Wikimedians
> >> (myself included) are exploring the possibility of holding a quiet,
> >> respectful open house next week in honor of Aaron, hosted at the
> >> Foundation.
> >>
> >> I should emphasize that we haven't decided yet, since if Creative
> Commons
> >> or the EFF are holding events of any kind, we will likely defer to
> >> supporting that, rather than holding anything separately. I will keep
> folks
> >> posted.
> >>
> >>
> > Hi all - sharing with you in this real sense of loss and sadness. It's
> hard
> > to believe it was just a year ago that the energy around SOPA was
> > everywhere in the Wikimedia movement, and I think it's safe to say that
> > Aaron was so much the nucleus of that energy.
> >
> > Re a blog post - yes, we're working on something now for the Wikimedia
> > blog, but what I think we'd really like to do is point to a community
> > memorial on Wikipedia or meta or wherever, where our community might be
> > recording their thoughts on Aaron. I suspect we would also point to the
> > memorial referenced by his family.
> >
> > Has anyone seen such an on-wiki memorial? Might someone be able to
> > propose/create such a page if it doesn't already exist? There are so many
> > voices in our community who have something to say about Aaron, it would
> be
> > great to share that.
> >
> > jay
> >
> >
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> > WikimediaFoundation.org
> > blog.wikimedia.org
> > +1 (415) 839 6885 x 6609, @jansonw
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage: Chance, bore, or hazard

[Craig Franklin]

Ziko,

Thanks for these thoughtful posts, it's always good to consider the long
term and what we might learn from our experience on other projects.  Of
course, it's up to the Wikivoyagers themselves to decide how they want to
run their project, but a bit of advice and insight never hurts!

The Australian businessman Kerry Packer once quipped that before Parliament
made a law, they should be required to first repeal one.  While we cannot
make this a requirement on Wikimedia projects, it's a good rule of thumb to
live by.  On English Wikipedia, we have a dense tangle of rules, policies
and essays that has raised the bar for entry to new users.  This tangle has
developed over the years as a result of kneejerk reactions to things like
the Siegenthaler incident and the Essjay controversy.  With a relatively
clean slate upon which to write, the Wikivoyagers can consider the
structure of their project in a holistic way, being proactive in thinking
about how they will manage such incidents before they actually arise, and
avoid choking their project up with hundreds of rules created as a reaction
to unfortunate incidents that could have been avoided by deciding on a
simple set of rules to start with, and then consistently enforcing them.

Not being a travel writer, I don't have the foggiest on where the lines
should be drawn, that should be left to the experts on the projects (with
input and assistance from the WMF legal department, ideally).  But it
sounds like they're already off to a good start if the project "still a
rather limited set of rules, and wishes to remain so."

Kind Regards,
Craig Franklin
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