Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Marc A. Pelletier, 16/11/2013 16:34:

On 11/13/2013 04:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

Rectius: there *used* to be a bot (RevertBot, Lusumbot). The program
 has been
stopped when search engines changed their limits and Lusum has been
waiting for the WMF's Yahoo! BOSS key, needed to run the bot, for a while.


I haven't been "in charge" of that key in quite some time, but I think I
still have the apropriate credentials to generate one for a copyright
violation bot.

I can look into it if you want.


It would be awesome! Thank you.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

[Martin Rulsch]

According to the road map, the Toolserver will not be shut down before June
30, 2014.

Cheers
Martin


2013/11/16 MZMcBride 

> Martin Rulsch wrote:
> >In German Nov 2, 24:00 equals Nov 3, 0:00. For further information have a
> >look at Wikipedia:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Midnight_00:00_and_24:00
>
> Thanks for this. DaB. announced his retirement from the Toolserver at
> "FRIDAY, 3. January 2014 24:00 MEZ." and I had no idea (precisely when)
> that meant. Of course, what it really means is that I need to dump my
> Toolserver home directory by the end of 2013. :-/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

[MZMcBride]

Martin Rulsch wrote:
>In German Nov 2, 24:00 equals Nov 3, 0:00. For further information have a
>look at Wikipedia:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Midnight_00:00_and_24:00

Thanks for this. DaB. announced his retirement from the Toolserver at
"FRIDAY, 3. January 2014 24:00 MEZ." and I had no idea (precisely when)
that meant. Of course, what it really means is that I need to dump my
Toolserver home directory by the end of 2013. :-/

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[James Forrester]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013, Charles Andrès wrote:

> I don’t remember if I answered you James, but you’re totally right the
> problem was the browser, now we invite people to use only chrome or Firefix
> and we had no problem.


Thanks, Charles. Obviously it's a priority to support other browsers too to
avoid this in future.

J.

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> Le 15 oct. 2013 à 20:32, James Forrester 
> >
> a écrit :
>
> > On 15 October 2013 00:58, Charles Andres 
> > 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we
> have
> >> the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor
> >> activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> >>
> >
> > ​Charles,
> >
> > ​Is this because of the browser they are using, the wiki they are trying
> to
> > edit on, or specific to their account? Which wiki are you talking about
> > this happening on?
> >
> > There was a configuration that we used in June for just over a week to
> A/B
> > test VisualEditor, but that code is no longer around, so this should not
> be
> > happening.
> >
> > However, users of Internet Explorer and some marginal or old browsers
> > cannot use VisualEditor yet as we have not been able to get it to work
> > there, which may explain the issue?
> >
> > Yours,
> > --
> > James D. Forrester
> > Product Manager, VisualEditor
> > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 11/13/2013 04:41 PM, Tobias wrote:
> I think the community has done a very good job in the past 12 years when
> it comes to copyright. It is important to see that we are a community
> site – nothing is ever going to be perfect, and certainly we are not
> free of any copyright violations. But we are dealing with them in a very
> responsible way and I would say that our current efforts are sufficient.

I think that's the best way of summing it up.  "Sufficient" is a vague
metric, and leaves room for improvement, but the nutshell is that the
community /does/ take copyright violations seriously and deploys very
good efforts to curtail it.

Do some slip through?  Yes, without doubt.  Are they eliminated with
prejudice the second they are noticed?  Yes.

The Wikimedia projects are no worse than any other collected works when
it comes to copyright infringement and indeed tends to handle it with
more vigilance than the other sites in the top 10 (proactively, rather
than reactively).

Could we do better?  No doubt.  Is improvement so desperately critical
that we should drop everything else to concentrate on that?  Not a
chance.  And I speak as the author and (for a long time) maintainer of
one of the most visible and used copyright violation detection tool used
on our project (CorenSearchBot, now handled by MadmanBot and - last I
heard - used on around a dozen projects).

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 11/13/2013 04:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Rectius: there *used* to be a bot (RevertBot, Lusumbot). The program
>  has been
> stopped when search engines changed their limits and Lusum has been
> waiting for the WMF's Yahoo! BOSS key, needed to run the bot, for a while.

I haven't been "in charge" of that key in quite some time, but I think I
still have the apropriate credentials to generate one for a copyright
violation bot.

I can look into it if you want.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

[Anthony Cole]

The problem of false positives from mirrors doesn't exist if we scan edits
as they are made.

Maggie says 
herethat
copyright bots populate
WP:SCV  So a
similarly-configured bot could scan recent changes and tag suspected
copyvios in watchlists and page histories like suspected vandalism is
currently tagged. Ideally the edit summary would contain a url to the
suspected source. Maggie points out that those copyright bots were blocked
for a while (from scanning Google I presume) due to a negative impact on
Google, and this problem was solved by someone writing a cheque.

False positives won't be a problem, unless they're more than, say, 50%. If
a recent changes patroller can't confirm the copyvio, they can let it go.
But an editor whose "contributions" list is peppered with such warnings
would stand out like a sore thumb.



Anthony Cole 
Memberships secretary
Wiki Project Med Foundation


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:36 AM, rupert THURNER wrote:

> Salut florence, i obviously need to improve my English :) Marco suggested
> human checking to avoid false positives and some annotation that it
> happened. In my eyes the cited case is a verbatim copy of some compatible
> license text which could be used as an example to demonstrate what he ment.
> I did not see such a thing up to now and would not be 100% sure how to do
> it correctly. So i asked.
>
> Rupert
> Am 15.11.2013 13:44 schrieb "Florence Devouard" :
>
> > H
> >
> > Rupert,
> >
> > The case you mention is unrelated to any copyright infringement (the book
> > is explicitely published under cc by sa. So there is no copyvio). Its
> > mention here is like hair falling in soup.
> >
> > Now, I think there is a developing personal feud between you and Iolenda.
> > It sincerely saddens me to see two people I appreciate come to such a
> > situation. Would you both consider talking to each other on Skype or
> > something like this ? Alternatively, find someone neutral and nice to
> help
> > fix things so that you can come to a mutual understanding ?
> >
> > I understand that you both see things differently, but ultimately, you
> > both are here to make things move on.
> >
> > Flo
> >
> >
> > On 11/14/13 2:36 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
> >
> >> There is such a case in http://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> >> wiki/Education_in_Cameroon,
> >> reference is on the talk page. would you be so kind to mark or refer to
> it
> >> correctly?
> >>
> >> rupert
> >> Am 13.11.2013 12:46 schrieb "Marco Chiesa" :
> >>
> >>  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Chris McKenna 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  The problem isn't that we're waiting for perfection. We're waiting for
> 
> >>> the
> >>>
>  proportion of false positives and false negatives to fall to a level
> 
> >>> where
> >>>
>  don't overwhelm the true positives.
> 
> 
>   To avoid false positives from mirrors, the best option is to compare
> a
> >>> text
> >>> as soon as it is saved. Also, you exclude certain websites from the
> >>> comparison because you know they're the mirrors, you exclude rollbacks,
> >>> ...
> >>> Then, it is better to have a human checking that it is really a copyvio
> >>> (it
> >>> could well be a public domain text, or another Wikipedia article).
> >>>
> >>> Marco
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