Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]
This sounds silly, but somehow it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this group, if you have multiple google accounts (google thinks you're trying to unsubscribe with an account that is not subscribed etc). The previous time this happened, it has been reported to google dozens of times without anything being done. I hope your direct contact has more effect... Lodewijk On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in wrote: I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group. Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to resolve the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been fraudulently subscribed will help move that conversation along. [Same applies to the fake gender-gap list.] Thanks- Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap
These are important points, and well said. Thank you. -I On 10/01/15 07:41, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I do not care one whit who you are or why you think you are provoked. What I care about is arguments that are put cleanly without much fanfare. When you think that you have permission to be rude threatening or abusive under any circumstances, you are wrong. It degrades any point you have and it abuses the other people on the list. You may not think much of our list administrator. Your choice as long as it is private, you are entitled to that opinion. When you choose to be abusive, it makes you unpalatable and I do not really care for your point of view because it got tainted. So make up your mind what is important, your ego or your argument. Thanks, GerardM On 8 January 2015 at 22:59, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote: Well Austin Hair, You display a profound lack of understanding of ME, it seems. I am polite until others are rude, become threatening, even a thinly veiled way, so allow me to tell you first that I do not care a whit what YOU think of me or my opinion on this or any other topic. And if others object to my opinion on a topic, sensitive or not, they can make their case and it will stand or not on its merits. But if you think you or anyone else can intimidate me into staying quiet when I see something fundamentally wrong happening, guess again. Now to put it politely, at least to start with: Go climb a tree. Original message From: wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org Date:01/08/2015 11:30 AM (GMT-05:00) To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Subject: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 130, Issue 29 Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:01:08 +0100 From: Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap Message-ID: ca+bw_fvvbcn6bm6dutawbj884a1wmfbumctbnqojvubk5r0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:30 PM, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote: But in future, I think I'll sign in more often, esp. now that half the WikiGods have my uid on an alert trigger now. :) I think the question is only being asked because you're displaying a profound lack of understanding of how Wikipedia and Wikimedia work, not only in your recent proposal, but in commenting on this sensitive topic. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, and you've been polite in expressing it—that goes a long way, at least with me. So please don't think that it's a matter of demanding a certain number of WikiCred points before the WikiGods will let you sit at the WikiGrownups table, or anything like that. Just understand that this issue has a lot of people on edge, and at this rate it won't be long before politely ignored becomes less ignored and less polite. Austin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]
I was resubscribed. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:18 AM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: I was resubscribed, too. rubin16 2015-01-10 19:12 GMT+03:00 Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: This sounds silly, but somehow it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this group, if you have multiple google accounts (google thinks you're trying to unsubscribe with an account that is not subscribed etc). The previous time this happened, it has been reported to google dozens of times without anything being done. I hope your direct contact has more effect... I'll pass that on. Also, if anyone has reports of being resubscribed after unsubscribing (I've already seen two?) please let me know. Luis Lodewijk On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in wrote: I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group. Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to resolve the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been fraudulently subscribed will help move that conversation along. [Same applies to the fake gender-gap list.] Thanks- Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:59 PM, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote: But if you think you or anyone else can intimidate me into staying quiet when I see something fundamentally wrong happening, guess again. Now to put it politely, at least to start with: Go climb a tree. Well... that was kind of rude. I really was trying to be helpful. I definitely wasn't trying to intimidate you into staying quiet. You do know that I'm the one that clicks approve for each and every one of your posts to the list, right? (Yes, including this one. Your posts were being held automatically as a new subscriber.) Please be aware that although discussions on this list regularly become heated, we do at least strive for a better tone. That I go climb a tree certainly isn't the rudest suggestion I've heard even this week, but I'd appreciate it if you tried a bit harder to be civil. Austin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]
I was resubscribed, too. rubin16 2015-01-10 19:12 GMT+03:00 Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: This sounds silly, but somehow it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this group, if you have multiple google accounts (google thinks you're trying to unsubscribe with an account that is not subscribed etc). The previous time this happened, it has been reported to google dozens of times without anything being done. I hope your direct contact has more effect... I'll pass that on. Also, if anyone has reports of being resubscribed after unsubscribing (I've already seen two?) please let me know. Luis Lodewijk On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in wrote: I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group. Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to resolve the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been fraudulently subscribed will help move that conversation along. [Same applies to the fake gender-gap list.] Thanks- Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]
As was I. On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I was resubscribed. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:18 AM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: I was resubscribed, too. rubin16 2015-01-10 19:12 GMT+03:00 Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: This sounds silly, but somehow it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this group, if you have multiple google accounts (google thinks you're trying to unsubscribe with an account that is not subscribed etc). The previous time this happened, it has been reported to google dozens of times without anything being done. I hope your direct contact has more effect... I'll pass that on. Also, if anyone has reports of being resubscribed after unsubscribing (I've already seen two?) please let me know. Luis Lodewijk On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in wrote: I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group. Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to resolve the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been fraudulently subscribed will help move that conversation along. [Same applies to the fake gender-gap list.] Thanks- Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]
On 1/10/2015 8:12 AM, Luis Villa wrote: I'll pass that on. Also, if anyone has reports of being resubscribed after unsubscribing (I've already seen two?) please let me know. Luis Resubscribing happened to me both with this list and the list from the previous cycle. --Michael Snow ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap
Actually, Gerard, you are the one coming across as entitled, possessive, and aggressive. mcc99 responded to a profoundly patronizing post from Austin Hair with a bit of ill temper. We don't need to hear big clique guns booming over the matter, just drop it. Tim Davenport Corvallis, OR ==original message== Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 08:41:08 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap Message-ID: cao53wxxch_cvyqt02cnemnkrw-2urddwn3wxtjhtusq2y2a...@mail.gmail.com I do not care one whit who you are or why you think you are provoked. What I care about is arguments that are put cleanly without much fanfare. When you think that you have permission to be rude threatening or abusive under any circumstances, you are wrong. It degrades any point you have and it abuses the other people on the list. * * * When you choose to be abusive, it makes you unpalatable and I do not really care for your point of view because it got tainted. So make up your mind what is important, your ego or your argument. Thanks, GerardM ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
