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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-16 Thread Sydney Poore

Thank you, Tim. That background information is extremely helpful to
understand the thinking behind the previous decision.

Sydney
On Apr 16, 2015 10:15 PM, "Tim Starling"  wrote:

> On 15/04/15 22:45, Craig Franklin wrote:
> > I do think that it's doesn't particularly match up for the Foundation to
> > base itself in one of the most expensive cities in the world, citing the
> > local talent pool, when a lot of the tech staff are being recruited
> > elsewhere and are working remotely.  I did feel that a lot of the
> > motivation to moving to SF in the first place was because for some high
> > level staff, leading a tech-based organisation in SF looked better on the
> > old CV than leading a tech-based organisation in Flint, Gary, or East St.
> > Louis would.
>
> Heh. Flint was never considered, for some reason.
>
> I have a spreadsheet which Sue sent to all staff prior to the
> decision, which has a points system weighing up the various options,
> "not in order to determine the final location, but just as a
> jumping-off point for discussion". It suggests that local talent pool
> was a minor consideration.
>
> San Francisco had the most points, followed by Boston. San Francisco
> beat Boston substantially in the "proximity to partners and likeminded
> organizations" category, since San Francisco had EFF, OSI, CC,
> Mozilla, Wikia and a few others. San Francisco also got a bonus for
> having a Board member living near it, specifically Jimmy Wales. Jimmy
> was presumably following Wikia, which was set up in San Mateo in order
> to be close to investors.
>
> Boston scored a lot of points for "ease of international
> communication", which was based on the timezone difference from
> Europe. They were almost the same on "proximity to technology", which
> considered tech companies generally and availability of computer
> science graduates, the closest category to Craig's idea of a local
> talent pool: 8 points for SF and 7 for Boston. The total was 88 to 73.
>
> I think we do benefit from proximity to technology. There is a lot of
> staff turnover in the tech industry, people tend to spend 2-3 years at
> one tech company and then move on to another one. It gives the Bay
> Area a kind of shared tech culture. Innovations introduced in one
> place are stirred around the Bay by staff movement.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-16 Thread Tim Starling

On 15/04/15 22:45, Craig Franklin wrote:
> I do think that it's doesn't particularly match up for the Foundation to
> base itself in one of the most expensive cities in the world, citing the
> local talent pool, when a lot of the tech staff are being recruited
> elsewhere and are working remotely.  I did feel that a lot of the
> motivation to moving to SF in the first place was because for some high
> level staff, leading a tech-based organisation in SF looked better on the
> old CV than leading a tech-based organisation in Flint, Gary, or East St.
> Louis would.

Heh. Flint was never considered, for some reason.

I have a spreadsheet which Sue sent to all staff prior to the
decision, which has a points system weighing up the various options,
"not in order to determine the final location, but just as a
jumping-off point for discussion". It suggests that local talent pool
was a minor consideration.

San Francisco had the most points, followed by Boston. San Francisco
beat Boston substantially in the "proximity to partners and likeminded
organizations" category, since San Francisco had EFF, OSI, CC,
Mozilla, Wikia and a few others. San Francisco also got a bonus for
having a Board member living near it, specifically Jimmy Wales. Jimmy
was presumably following Wikia, which was set up in San Mateo in order
to be close to investors.

Boston scored a lot of points for "ease of international
communication", which was based on the timezone difference from
Europe. They were almost the same on "proximity to technology", which
considered tech companies generally and availability of computer
science graduates, the closest category to Craig's idea of a local
talent pool: 8 points for SF and 7 for Boston. The total was 88 to 73.

I think we do benefit from proximity to technology. There is a lot of
staff turnover in the tech industry, people tend to spend 2-3 years at
one tech company and then move on to another one. It gives the Bay
Area a kind of shared tech culture. Innovations introduced in one
place are stirred around the Bay by staff movement.

-- Tim Starling

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-16 Thread Garfield Byrd

I think with this and many other discussions, form should follow function.
So as we begin to introduce and implement our new Strategic Plan it will
inform this issue over time.

Regards,

Garfield

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:46 AM, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> Hi Garfield,  many thanks for your answer!
> On Apr 9, 2015 5:35 PM, "Garfield Byrd"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pine,
> >
> > I have answered your questions in your email.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Garfield
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Garfield,
> > >
> > > Ok, follow up questions:
> > >
> > > * Does WMF have a plan to keep the Foundation and its essential
> functions
> > > operational if, say, the San Francisco main building all SF staff are
> > > completely offline and unreachable by phone for a week after an
> earthquake?
> > >
> > Yes, we have a plan in place in case the building in San Francisco is
> > unavailable.  All San Francisco staff will not be offline for a week
> after
> > an earthquake.  Not all staff live in San Francisco, and Loma Prieta
> showed
> > that even a major earthquake does not take the entire San Francisco Bay
> > Area offline.  So essential functions will continue even after an
> > earthquake.
> >
> > In addition, even though many of our staff are in San Francisco, we do
> have
> > staff in many other states and 18 countries.
> >
> > * Would there be worthwhile advantages to establishing a second main
> office
> > in someplace like the US east coast or Europe?
> >
> > We have tried to setup a center of activity in other states and it did
> not
> > prove to be worthwhile, as staff preferred to work from home or other
> > locations.  So it was an an additional cost with any additional benefit.
> It
> > is my understanding that having an office outside the United States
> creates
> > complications for Wikipedia and the other Wiki projects in the area of
> > content protection.
>
> To create less headaches about this would it not be better to split up wmf
> in two, one doing the software at any convenient location, while the other
> one would own the domains,  hosting and money?
>
> > > Thanks, and please reply when it's convenient for you.
> > >
> > > I'll follow up offline with HR about talent pool questions.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > On Apr 8, 2015 5:16 PM, "Garfield Byrd"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Pine,
> > >>
> > >> If the Foundation decides to move, the cost of making the space usable
> > >> for our staff is not a recoverable cost from the building owner.
> > >>
> > >> At this point, WMF is not planning on moving out of the San Francisco
> > >> market area.  We will be doing our best to manage cost when we renew
> our
> > >> lease or move. The advantages of having good access to talented people
> and
> > >> organizations WMF interacts with far outweigh any advantages to moving
> to a
> > >> lower cost location outside of the San Francisco market area.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Garfield
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Garfield,
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have
> > >>> noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high
> cost
> > >>> of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
> > >>> associated high salaries for WMF employees.
> > >>>
> > >>> I see on
> > >>>
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
> > >>> that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main
> office
> > >>> lease expires.
> > >>>
> > >>> Questions:
> > >>>
> > >>> What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its
> > >>> current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated
> for
> > >>> the remodel by the building owner?
> > >>>
> > >>> I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco
> market
> > >>> area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds,
> have
> > >>> less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is
> this
> > >>> being considered?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks very much,
> > >>>
> > >>> Pine
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Garfield Byrd
> > >> Chief of Finance and Administration
> > >> Wikimedia Foundation
> > >> 415.839.6885 ext 6787
> > >> 415.882.0495 (fax)
> > >> www.wikimediafoundation.org
> > >>
> > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > >> the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> > >>
> > >> *https://donate.wikimedia.org *
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Garfield Byrd
> > Chief of Finance and Administration
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > 415.839.6885 ext 6787
> > 415.882.0495 (fax)
> > www.wikimediafoundation.org
> >
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> >
> > *https://donate.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

2015-04-16 Thread Raymond Leonard

I believe a lengthy discussion about why it was pulled can be found at:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/thread.html#7974

Yours,
Peaceray

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Aleksey Bilogur  wrote:

> Just to be sure, I don't have any ill will against Yuvi, I'm just highly
> surprised that the staff problem is apparently bad enough that the mobile
> team is killing their own secondaries, even though mobile is one of the WMF
> ' S developmental foci.
> On Apr 16, 2015 12:52 PM, "Pine W"  wrote:
>
> > In defense of Yuvi, he is routinely extinguishing metaphorical fires and
> > hunting gremlins in Tool Labs. He may just be overtasked at the moment. I
> > suggest that you email him a reminder.
> >
> > Pine
> > On Apr 16, 2015 3:44 AM, "Aleksey Bilogur" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm. I was annoyed at Yuvi a couple of weeks ago because he promised
> he'd
> > > get back to me on repairing the Wikipedia Signpost app but we never got
> > the
> > > call back. But apparently the WMF lacks the technical resources to
> > > systematically maintain its own side-projects---let alone the hobby
> work
> > of
> > > its developers. This is disappointing...
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Mohammed Bachounda <
> > > bachou...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You can find the application at Github
> > > > > https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It was pulled from the stores because of lack of maintenance and
> > > resources.
> > > > More information at
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons
> > > > and
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007974.html
> > > > (plus following emails).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

2015-04-16 Thread Dan Garry

On 16 April 2015 at 10:03, Aleksey Bilogur 
wrote:

> Just to be sure, I don't have any ill will against Yuvi, I'm just highly
> surprised that the staff problem is apparently bad enough that the mobile
> team is killing their own secondaries, even though mobile is one of the WMF
> ' S developmental foci.

When the Commons app was sunset, we had three mobile apps developers, one
for iOS and two for Android. If we decided to make the Commons app a
priority, it would've effectively halted development of the Wikipedia app.

Given that the Commons app had around 300 monthly active users, compared to
the Wikipedia app's 9,000,000 monthly active users, the decision to sunset
the Commons app was not a hard one. We were focussing our efforts on the
area that had the largest impact.

Revisiting that decision in the future is always a possibility. But, to be
clear, right now there are no plans to resume development of the Commons
app.

Dan

-- 
Dan Garry
Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

2015-04-16 Thread Aleksey Bilogur

Just to be sure, I don't have any ill will against Yuvi, I'm just highly
surprised that the staff problem is apparently bad enough that the mobile
team is killing their own secondaries, even though mobile is one of the WMF
' S developmental foci.
On Apr 16, 2015 12:52 PM, "Pine W"  wrote:

> In defense of Yuvi, he is routinely extinguishing metaphorical fires and
> hunting gremlins in Tool Labs. He may just be overtasked at the moment. I
> suggest that you email him a reminder.
>
> Pine
> On Apr 16, 2015 3:44 AM, "Aleksey Bilogur" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm. I was annoyed at Yuvi a couple of weeks ago because he promised he'd
> > get back to me on repairing the Wikipedia Signpost app but we never got
> the
> > call back. But apparently the WMF lacks the technical resources to
> > systematically maintain its own side-projects---let alone the hobby work
> of
> > its developers. This is disappointing...
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Mohammed Bachounda <
> > bachou...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You can find the application at Github
> > > > https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons
> > >
> > >
> > > It was pulled from the stores because of lack of maintenance and
> > resources.
> > > More information at
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons
> > > and
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007974.html
> > > (plus following emails).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

2015-04-16 Thread Pine W

In defense of Yuvi, he is routinely extinguishing metaphorical fires and
hunting gremlins in Tool Labs. He may just be overtasked at the moment. I
suggest that you email him a reminder.

Pine
On Apr 16, 2015 3:44 AM, "Aleksey Bilogur" 
wrote:

> Hmm. I was annoyed at Yuvi a couple of weeks ago because he promised he'd
> get back to me on repairing the Wikipedia Signpost app but we never got the
> call back. But apparently the WMF lacks the technical resources to
> systematically maintain its own side-projects---let alone the hobby work of
> its developers. This is disappointing...
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Mohammed Bachounda <
> bachou...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You can find the application at Github
> > > https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons
> >
> >
> > It was pulled from the stores because of lack of maintenance and
> resources.
> > More information at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons
> > and
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007974.html
> > (plus following emails).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-16 Thread rupert THURNER

Hi Garfield,  many thanks for your answer!
On Apr 9, 2015 5:35 PM, "Garfield Byrd"  wrote:
>
> Hi Pine,
>
> I have answered your questions in your email.
>
> Regards,
>
> Garfield
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi Garfield,
> >
> > Ok, follow up questions:
> >
> > * Does WMF have a plan to keep the Foundation and its essential
functions
> > operational if, say, the San Francisco main building all SF staff are
> > completely offline and unreachable by phone for a week after an
earthquake?
> >
> Yes, we have a plan in place in case the building in San Francisco is
> unavailable.  All San Francisco staff will not be offline for a week after
> an earthquake.  Not all staff live in San Francisco, and Loma Prieta
showed
> that even a major earthquake does not take the entire San Francisco Bay
> Area offline.  So essential functions will continue even after an
> earthquake.
>
> In addition, even though many of our staff are in San Francisco, we do
have
> staff in many other states and 18 countries.
>
> * Would there be worthwhile advantages to establishing a second main
office
> in someplace like the US east coast or Europe?
>
> We have tried to setup a center of activity in other states and it did not
> prove to be worthwhile, as staff preferred to work from home or other
> locations.  So it was an an additional cost with any additional benefit.
It
> is my understanding that having an office outside the United States
creates
> complications for Wikipedia and the other Wiki projects in the area of
> content protection.

To create less headaches about this would it not be better to split up wmf
in two, one doing the software at any convenient location, while the other
one would own the domains,  hosting and money?

> > Thanks, and please reply when it's convenient for you.
> >
> > I'll follow up offline with HR about talent pool questions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pine
> > On Apr 8, 2015 5:16 PM, "Garfield Byrd"  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Pine,
> >>
> >> If the Foundation decides to move, the cost of making the space usable
> >> for our staff is not a recoverable cost from the building owner.
> >>
> >> At this point, WMF is not planning on moving out of the San Francisco
> >> market area.  We will be doing our best to manage cost when we renew
our
> >> lease or move. The advantages of having good access to talented people
and
> >> organizations WMF interacts with far outweigh any advantages to moving
to a
> >> lower cost location outside of the San Francisco market area.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Garfield
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Garfield,
> >>>
> >>> I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have
> >>> noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high
cost
> >>> of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
> >>> associated high salaries for WMF employees.
> >>>
> >>> I see on
> >>>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
> >>> that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main
office
> >>> lease expires.
> >>>
> >>> Questions:
> >>>
> >>> What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its
> >>> current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated
for
> >>> the remodel by the building owner?
> >>>
> >>> I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco
market
> >>> area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds,
have
> >>> less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is
this
> >>> being considered?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks very much,
> >>>
> >>> Pine
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Garfield Byrd
> >> Chief of Finance and Administration
> >> Wikimedia Foundation
> >> 415.839.6885 ext 6787
> >> 415.882.0495 (fax)
> >> www.wikimediafoundation.org
> >>
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> >> the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> >>
> >> *https://donate.wikimedia.org *
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Garfield Byrd
> Chief of Finance and Administration
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 415.839.6885 ext 6787
> 415.882.0495 (fax)
> www.wikimediafoundation.org
>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

2015-04-16 Thread Aleksey Bilogur

Hmm. I was annoyed at Yuvi a couple of weeks ago because he promised he'd
get back to me on repairing the Wikipedia Signpost app but we never got the
call back. But apparently the WMF lacks the technical resources to
systematically maintain its own side-projects---let alone the hobby work of
its developers. This is disappointing...

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Quim Gil  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Mohammed Bachounda 
> wrote:
>
> > You can find the application at Github
> > https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons
>
>
> It was pulled from the stores because of lack of maintenance and resources.
> More information at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons
> and
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007974.html
> (plus following emails).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

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