Re: [Wikimedia-l] New information from New Voices

[Anna Stillwell]

Thank you for sharing this, Margarita. I found the expert talks to be very
useful. I was particularly interested in Hochschild's review of the People's
Archive of Rural India , as it shared
knowledge that people needed in their every day lives that no main stream
source had addressed.

Thanks,
/a

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Margarita Noriega 
wrote:

> The New Voices [1] initiative of the movement strategy [2] has produced
> dozens of compelling and challenging insights from around the world. In
> July, we are focusing on sharing the key outcomes of New Voices projects
> leading up to and through Wikimania 2017 [7]. Here are two recently
> published materials you can read and discuss right away:
>
> - A summary of three expert discussions
>  on
> how
> the discovery and sharing of trusted information have evolved. [3]
> - A summary of research conclusions
>  Considering_2030:_Misinformation,_verification,_and_propaganda_(July_2017)
> >
> about
> misinformation and how the movement can help people find trustworthy
> sources of knowledge. [4] This is part of a series of research briefs [5]
> conducted by our outside research partner, Lutman & Associates, on a
> variety of topics.
>
> We also invite everyone to join the discussion topic for week 2
>  movement/2017/Cycle_3#Week_2_Challenge:_How_could_we_
> capture_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_when_much_of_it_cannot_be_verified_in_
> traditional_ways.3F>,
> both on and off of Meta: "How could we capture the sum of all knowledge
> when much of it cannot be verified in traditional ways?" [6]
>
> We're preparing to publish more in the coming days, which we will share
> more regularly in conjunction with news about how the New Voices staff is
> preparing for Wikimania 2017 [7]. Your participation and feedback is
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> Margarita Noriega
> Communications Strategist | Wikimedia Foundation
> Email: mnori...@wikimedia.org
> Twitter: @margarita
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Cycle_2/Reach
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017
> [3] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/07/07/brown-bag-knowledge-sharing/
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Sources/Considering_2030:_Misinformation,_verification,_
> and_propaganda_(July_2017)
> [5] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/06/12/wikimedia-strategy-2030-pt-1/
> [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Cycle_3#Week_2_Challenge:_How_could_we_
> capture_the_sum_of_all_
> knowledge_when_much_of_it_cannot_be_verified_in_traditional_ways.3F
> [7] wikimania2017.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Anders Wennersten]

I LOVE the Wikipedia way of working - result-oriented, respectful 
dialogues around facts


I HATE power-games and misuse of given authority, both in general in 
life and especially in the Wikimedia movement


I ADMIRE the functionaries in France who have stood firm in their own 
integrity and their beliefs in our values, and rather resigned then 
"played along"


I am very HAPPY to see the decisive stand of FDC, The Board an WMF for 
our values in this case of misbehaviour


and I TRULY LOVE to see the constructiveness of the French community as 
they arise (as  the Phoenix bird from the ashes) in order to 
re-establish the chapter to be true to the values, vision and best 
practice within the movement


I already know the French community to be both creative, productive and 
well working, and am now looking forward to once again see the also 
creative, productive and well working as we have been used to see


Anders
wishing everyone involved the energy to get through this challenge in 
the best way possible



Den 2017-07-13 kl. 11:44, skrev Natacha Rault:

Der Lodewijk,

Thank you for the message, the threshold has indeed been reached, and the WMFR 
board has communicated that they will have the GA asap. The official number of 
people requesting the GA is of 73 as of now.

The emphasis on democratic chapters is indeed important. People are now 
discussing freely on the public list, and it’s  great because they are starting 
to reflect on what they want for the future, and also have spokesmen and women 
for the organisation of the GA. I think this was really needed and the 
discussion is really refreshing after months of moderation.

Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat









Le 13 juil. 2017 à 11:32, Lodewijk  a écrit :

Thanks Natacha.

I see that 70 members have requested a General Assembly to be held. I
remember from WMFR's bylaws that 25% of the membership can force the board
to call a General Assembly, or do it themselves. Is this request formulated
in such a manner? What is the required threshold?

This is a terribly sad situation WMFR finds itself in. There are no
winners, and trying to continue this struggle can only create bigger losses
on all sides.

I hope an assembly can be held soon, and that a democratic decision can be
prepared there, where the membership can give its trust to a board - either
providing the current board (with a majority of board-appointed members, if
I understand correctly) with the much needed moral authority, or by
electing a new board that can start afresh.

This is why we have always put so much emphasis on having democratic
chapters where the members can in the end intervene.

Lodewijk
(snipping the messages below, as the software complains it's too long)



2017-07-13 10:21 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault :


Dear All,

As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have
translated the time line in English concerning what is happening in the
French chapter, although surely we still have to clarify and correct
mistakes. You can find it here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu
/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html 

Kind regards,

Nattes à chat / Natacha


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Lodewijk]

> Thanks for sharing - it is good to see WMF is on top of this. I agree it
> is not very helpful to descend into a discussion about details of who said
> what when, but rather focus on the big picture. My hope is that the members
> can work towards a healthy association as soon as possible - and that WMF's
> role will be constructive in that respect, aimed at the future.
>
> I'm also glad to read your implicit invitation to groups of volunteers
> that feel unable to work within the existing WMFR structures, that they can
> receive support of the WMF directly.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2017-07-12 6:30 GMT+02:00 Katy Love :
>
>> Hi Chris, hi all,
>>
>> I am forwarding the email I sent to a French Wikimedia community mailing
>> list . I
>> include
>> the message first in English and then French.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>> This is a message from the Wikimedia Foundation. We’re the non-profit
>> organization that exists to support Wikimedia volunteer communities and
>> free knowledge projects around the world.
>>
>>
>> That is why we are writing today. You may have read an email from the CA
>> of
>> Wikimédia France, making serious allegations against members of our
>> movement. Many of these allegations relate to members of the French
>> volunteer community, certain current and former staff members of Wikimédia
>> France, and former chapter board members who have been openly questioning
>> the activities and aspects of the governance of the current leadership of
>> Wikimédia France. In the email from the CA, the signatories characterize
>> these volunteers, or the manner in which they have engaged in criticizing
>> the chapter leadership, as being unacceptable and destructive. We find
>> many
>> aspects of this public email disturbing and contrary to the values of the
>> Wikimedia movement.
>>
>>
>> The email from the Wikimédia France CA has brought the issues at Wikimédia
>> France to the public attention of many in the French Wikimedia community,
>> as well as to the broader global Wikimedia movement. Although this may be
>> the first public message some members of our Wikimedia community have
>> seen,
>> it follows months of other discussions within various Wikimedia committees
>> and governance bodies about the current governance and operations of
>> Wikimédia France.
>>
>>
>> As many of you may know, in May 2017, the Funds Dissemination Committee
>> (FDC), an independent committee of Wikimedia community members charged
>> with
>> helping “make decisions about how to effectively allocate movement funds,”
>> assessed Wikimédia France’s application for a 2017-2018 Annual Plan Grant.
>> The FDC made a recommendation
>> > ons/2016-2017_round_2#Wikim.C3.A9dia_France>
>> to the Wikimedia Foundation’s Board that Wikimédia France receive 50% of
>> the grant amount requested by the organization. The FDC recommendation
>> noted, among other things, that “there are significant concerns about
>> WMFR's current governance and organisational structure being able to most
>> effectively support and achieve the results sought."
>>
>>
>> Wikimédia France appealed the FDC’s recommendation. The Wikimedia
>> Foundation Board of Trustees considered and denied this appeal
>> > Board_on_the_recommendations_of_the_FDC#Board_decision>,
>> and resolved to accept
>> > 2016-2017_round_2>
>> the FDC’s recommendation. Furthermore, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
>> Trustees endorses the need for a governance review, consistent with FDC
>> recommendations. Funding to Wikimédia France is conditional on a Wikimedia
>> Foundation staff site visit
>> , a
>> governance review to be conducted by an independent, third party, to be
>> chosen in consultation with the Wikimedia Foundation, and progress against
>> recommendations resulting from the governance review.
>>
>>
>> The current situation with Wikimédia France is creating great strain on
>> the
>> French community,  former and current staff of Wikimédia France, and
>> concerned volunteers around the world. We recognize that the situation
>> must
>> be resolved soon, in the interests of the Wikimedia projects and vision.
>>
>>
>> Three staff members from the Wikimedia Foundation will soon be in France
>> to
>> conduct a site visit in connection with the Foundation’s grant, in order
>> to
>> realize the recommendations of the FDC. This includes working with
>> Wikimédia France to initiate an independent governance review, and holding
>> conversations with the chapter and with members of the French community
>> about their hopes for the future.
>>
>>
>> Finally, we are aware of a number of inaccurate statements in the email
>> from the Board of Wikimédia France, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Natacha Rault]

Der Lodewijk,

Thank you for the message, the threshold has indeed been reached, and the WMFR 
board has communicated that they will have the GA asap. The official number of 
people requesting the GA is of 73 as of now. 

The emphasis on democratic chapters is indeed important. People are now 
discussing freely on the public list, and it’s  great because they are starting 
to reflect on what they want for the future, and also have spokesmen and women 
for the organisation of the GA. I think this was really needed and the 
discussion is really refreshing after months of moderation.

Kind regards, 

Natacha / Nattes à chat








> Le 13 juil. 2017 à 11:32, Lodewijk  a écrit :
> 
> Thanks Natacha.
> 
> I see that 70 members have requested a General Assembly to be held. I
> remember from WMFR's bylaws that 25% of the membership can force the board
> to call a General Assembly, or do it themselves. Is this request formulated
> in such a manner? What is the required threshold?
> 
> This is a terribly sad situation WMFR finds itself in. There are no
> winners, and trying to continue this struggle can only create bigger losses
> on all sides.
> 
> I hope an assembly can be held soon, and that a democratic decision can be
> prepared there, where the membership can give its trust to a board - either
> providing the current board (with a majority of board-appointed members, if
> I understand correctly) with the much needed moral authority, or by
> electing a new board that can start afresh.
> 
> This is why we have always put so much emphasis on having democratic
> chapters where the members can in the end intervene.
> 
> Lodewijk
> (snipping the messages below, as the software complains it's too long)
> 
> 
>> 2017-07-13 10:21 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault :
>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have
>>> translated the time line in English concerning what is happening in the
>>> French chapter, although surely we still have to clarify and correct
>>> mistakes. You can find it here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu
>>> /wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html >> u/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html>
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Nattes à chat / Natacha
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Lodewijk]

Thanks Natacha.

I see that 70 members have requested a General Assembly to be held. I
remember from WMFR's bylaws that 25% of the membership can force the board
to call a General Assembly, or do it themselves. Is this request formulated
in such a manner? What is the required threshold?

This is a terribly sad situation WMFR finds itself in. There are no
winners, and trying to continue this struggle can only create bigger losses
on all sides.

I hope an assembly can be held soon, and that a democratic decision can be
prepared there, where the membership can give its trust to a board - either
providing the current board (with a majority of board-appointed members, if
I understand correctly) with the much needed moral authority, or by
electing a new board that can start afresh.

This is why we have always put so much emphasis on having democratic
chapters where the members can in the end intervene.

Lodewijk
(snipping the messages below, as the software complains it's too long)


> 2017-07-13 10:21 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault :
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have
>> translated the time line in English concerning what is happening in the
>> French chapter, although surely we still have to clarify and correct
>> mistakes. You can find it here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu
>> /wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html > u/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Nattes à chat / Natacha
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Natacha Rault]

Dear All, 

As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have translated 
the time line in English concerning what is happening in the French chapter, 
although surely we still have to clarify and correct mistakes. You can find it 
here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html 


Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat / Natacha




> Le 13 juil. 2017 à 08:47, Pierre-Selim  a écrit :
> 
> Thank you Samuel and Chris for this work of transparency you guys have done.
> I'm so sad to see how the board of Wikimedia France, my former fellows, can
> lie and libel amazing people such as Caroline, Christophe or Florence.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> Le 13 juillet 2017 à 04:03, Samuel Klein  a écrit :
> 
>> Thank you kindly, Florence, for this note and update.  {{refnec}}s for
>> everyone.
>> Katy: !
>> 
>> I tried translating the letter (literary NLP?) into English, posted here
>> for commentary and annotation:
>> https://medium.com/@metasj/a-recent-letter-from-wmfrs-
>> board-annotated-d8e19c2bc0b
>> 
>> (As it is not freely licensed, I'm experimenting with a non-wiki.)  Help
>> with the translation and annotation are welcome -- perhaps adding links to
>> the appropriate section of the timeline?
>> 
>> Regards to all,
>> SJ
>> 
>> 2017-07-12 20:29 GMT-04:00 Devouard (gmail) :
>> 
>>> Yesterday, a few hours after the whole membership of Wikimedia France was
>>> served that litterature masterpiece from its board (ED), someone told me
>> :
>>> 
>>> "any wikipedian reading that letter will add a {{refnec}} at the end of
>>> all sentences"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since I was mentionned, I would like to renew my position.
>>> I think there is a serious suspicion that the resources of the
>> association
>>> (paid staff time, communication tools, perhaps even big donor database)
>> and
>>> the image/name of the association were used for personal benefit. I also
>>> think that if what I say is correct, there was also a questionnable use
>> of
>>> Wikimedia brand.
>>> 
>>> The relevant emails are
>>> * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
>> July/03.html
>>> * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
>> July/04.html
>>> * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
>> July/07.html
>>> 
>>> However, contrariwise to the letter statement ("Nous condamnons fermement
>>> ce qui là encore est une tentative de mettre le CA en difficulté par des
>>> allégations infondées.") I must clarify that I believe that most of the
>>> WMFR board knew nothing about that specific issue. In particular, it
>> seems
>>> the treasurer was not aware the Executive Director was actively seeking
>>> funds for this independant non-profit-to-be. The treasurer followed-up on
>>> my first request for clarifications, asked me information so that he
>> could
>>> figure out what was going on, promised to come back with information
>> within
>>> a day (and never did). Said treasurer resigned a few days later.
>>> 
>>> And yes... I do have some evidence (such as a copy of the email sent to
>>> the private donor, as well as the supporting document) and a rather
>>> convincing rationale (which I can provide if needed, but I would prefer
>> to
>>> know first what my membership and legal status are).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On another note... I'd like to mention that amongst the people mentionned
>>> in that email, as well as those not explicitely mentionned but strongly
>>> hinted, some are tough skins and other are softer. If you know well some
>> of
>>> them, and feel friendly toward them, send them some wikilove because they
>>> might need it. We have been dipping in this for... months.
>>> 
>>> Also consider visiting this page where we listed our freedom fighter
>> staff
>>> : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Merchandise_giveaways/Nomina
>>> tions#Jules78120
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And really... thank you Katy (and the team) for the WMF statement
>>> published yesterday.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Florence
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 12/07/2017 à 00:25, Chris Keating a écrit :
>>> 
 I thought this email from Wikimedia France was worth wider circulation
 within the movement.
 
 Topics covered include:
 * How WMFr feels community members are "destabilising and denigrating"
 the chapter, and how Wikimedia France is responding by expelling some
 of those people from the organisation, threatening them with legal
 action, and temporarily closing its email discussion list
 * Accusations that Christophe Henner has personally manipulated the
 FDC process to cut WMFR's funding
 * Also, a statement from WMFR that the WMF is also considering
 withdrawing WMFr's chapter agreement
 
 I recommend reading the whole email in conjunction with this timeline:
 https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/
 
 It really is remarkable. I was 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Pierre-Selim]

Thank you Samuel and Chris for this work of transparency you guys have done.
I'm so sad to see how the board of Wikimedia France, my former fellows, can
lie and libel amazing people such as Caroline, Christophe or Florence.

Sincerely,


Le 13 juillet 2017 à 04:03, Samuel Klein  a écrit :

> Thank you kindly, Florence, for this note and update.  {{refnec}}s for
> everyone.
> Katy: !
>
> I tried translating the letter (literary NLP?) into English, posted here
> for commentary and annotation:
> https://medium.com/@metasj/a-recent-letter-from-wmfrs-
> board-annotated-d8e19c2bc0b
>
> (As it is not freely licensed, I'm experimenting with a non-wiki.)  Help
> with the translation and annotation are welcome -- perhaps adding links to
> the appropriate section of the timeline?
>
> Regards to all,
> SJ
>
> 2017-07-12 20:29 GMT-04:00 Devouard (gmail) :
>
> > Yesterday, a few hours after the whole membership of Wikimedia France was
> > served that litterature masterpiece from its board (ED), someone told me
> :
> >
> > "any wikipedian reading that letter will add a {{refnec}} at the end of
> > all sentences"
> >
> >
> > Since I was mentionned, I would like to renew my position.
> > I think there is a serious suspicion that the resources of the
> association
> > (paid staff time, communication tools, perhaps even big donor database)
> and
> > the image/name of the association were used for personal benefit. I also
> > think that if what I say is correct, there was also a questionnable use
> of
> > Wikimedia brand.
> >
> > The relevant emails are
> > * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
> July/03.html
> > * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
> July/04.html
> > * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
> July/07.html
> >
> > However, contrariwise to the letter statement ("Nous condamnons fermement
> > ce qui là encore est une tentative de mettre le CA en difficulté par des
> > allégations infondées.") I must clarify that I believe that most of the
> > WMFR board knew nothing about that specific issue. In particular, it
> seems
> > the treasurer was not aware the Executive Director was actively seeking
> > funds for this independant non-profit-to-be. The treasurer followed-up on
> > my first request for clarifications, asked me information so that he
> could
> > figure out what was going on, promised to come back with information
> within
> > a day (and never did). Said treasurer resigned a few days later.
> >
> > And yes... I do have some evidence (such as a copy of the email sent to
> > the private donor, as well as the supporting document) and a rather
> > convincing rationale (which I can provide if needed, but I would prefer
> to
> > know first what my membership and legal status are).
> >
> >
> >
> > On another note... I'd like to mention that amongst the people mentionned
> > in that email, as well as those not explicitely mentionned but strongly
> > hinted, some are tough skins and other are softer. If you know well some
> of
> > them, and feel friendly toward them, send them some wikilove because they
> > might need it. We have been dipping in this for... months.
> >
> > Also consider visiting this page where we listed our freedom fighter
> staff
> > : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Merchandise_giveaways/Nomina
> > tions#Jules78120
> >
> >
> > And really... thank you Katy (and the team) for the WMF statement
> > published yesterday.
> >
> >
> > Florence
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 12/07/2017 à 00:25, Chris Keating a écrit :
> >
> >> I thought this email from Wikimedia France was worth wider circulation
> >> within the movement.
> >>
> >> Topics covered include:
> >> * How WMFr feels community members are "destabilising and denigrating"
> >> the chapter, and how Wikimedia France is responding by expelling some
> >> of those people from the organisation, threatening them with legal
> >> action, and temporarily closing its email discussion list
> >> * Accusations that Christophe Henner has personally manipulated the
> >> FDC process to cut WMFR's funding
> >> * Also, a statement from WMFR that the WMF is also considering
> >> withdrawing WMFr's chapter agreement
> >>
> >> I recommend reading the whole email in conjunction with this timeline:
> >> https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/
> >>
> >> It really is remarkable. I was lost for words on reading it, and I am
> >> sure that you will be as well.
> >>
> >> Frankly, unless there is prompt and wide-ranging change of the
> >> leadership of Wikimedia France, I think that withdrawing WMFR's
> >> chapter agreement is probably by far the best thing that the WMF can
> >> do. I hope a better solution can be reached in the meantime.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
> >> From: CA Wikimédia France 
> >> Date: 2017-07-11 21:25 GMT+01:00
> >> Subject: Wikimédia France -