Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lower page views

[Tilman Bayer]

Hi Anders,

some notes about possible reasons below. As a data analyst in the
Foundation's Readers department, I am tracking our overall pageview
numbers on a monthly basis, which we report to the WMF board alongside
other metrics about editor activity etc. (This is also publicly
available at [1], where this recent pageview decline had already been
remarked upon earlier. What's more, you can check this regularly
updated chart for a visual year-over-year comparison: [2] )

There are probably multiple causes for this year-over-year decrease
observable during the last few months. We know about one of them for
certain: The recent rollout of "page previews"[3] to all but two
Wikipedia versions. This is a new software feature that shows an
excerpt from the linked article when the reader hovers their mouse
over a link. It is designed to save readers the effort of clicking
through certain links. So a decrease in pageviews was fully expected
and is to some extent actually evidence for the feature's success.
According to our A/B tests, this decrease is around 2-4% (of desktop
pageviews). We are on the other hand going to measure this new,
alternative form of reading Wikipedia (i.e. the number of previews
seen) just like we measure pageviews now; there is currently a
technical discussion about this on the Analytics-l mailing list. But
for now it is not yet reflected in our public traffic reports.

Google-referred pageviews did indeed see a year-over-year decrease of
some percent since November (but not before) [4], although this may
still not explain the entire rest of the year-over-year change in
overall pageviews. Regarding Google's Knowledge Panel - i.e. their
Wikipedia extracts that you mentioned - a research paper published
last year [5] has confirmed that it indeed has a negative effect on
our pageviews (which had long been the topic of speculation without
much actual evidence). However, Google already introduced this feature
in 2012, so it has been around over half a decade now and can't be
responsible per se for any recent drops. One would need to look for
more recent changes made by Google. (They actually made a tweak to the
panels for a particular topic category in early November [6], but to
me it seems rather unlikely to have had a noticeable effect on our
overall Google referrals.)

Likewise, the internet-wide multi-year trend towards mobile doesn't
really explain this recent trend in our total (desktop + mobile)
pageviews - as James already pointed out, just a year ago we were
actually seeing a year-over-year *growth* of several percent for an
extended time period.

Generally, keep in mind that while page requests by bots and spiders
are generally filtered out, the pageview numbers still encompass a
smaller amount of other automated views and artefacts, which can also
be responsible for sizable changes. In the data reported to the board
[1] I apply various corrections to filter out some more of these. But
the numbers at stats.wikimedia.org still include them. For example, if
you had looked at the same year-over-year change last summer, you
would have encountered an even bigger year-over-year pageview drop
which however is almost entirely spurious: An issue found and
mitigated in July/August 2016 had artificially inflated desktop
traffic up to 30% during these two months. There is a Phabricator task
to correct this in the publicly available data [7], but it is still
open.

Besides the monthly reports of core metrics at [1] which come with
brief observations about trends, we also publish a more in-depth slide
deck about readership core metrics once per quarter.[8] The next one
will come out in two weeks and I plan to do some further analysis
(e.g. check if the decrease was focused geographically) in preparation
for that; so perhaps we will know a bit more then.



[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Audiences

[2] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_pageviews_year-over-year_comparison_(since_May_2013).png

[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews

[4] http://discovery.wmflabs.org/external/#traffic_by_engine and
http://discovery.wmflabs.org/external/#traffic_summary , select weekly
or monthly smoothing for easier comparison, but keep in mind the
default view includes bots/spiders

[5] Connor McMahon, Isaac Johnson, Brent Hecht: "The Substantial
Interdependence of Wikipedia and Google: A Case Study on the
Relationship Between Peer Production Communities and Information
Technologies" https://www.aaai.org/ocs/index.php/ICWSM/ICWSM17/paper/view/15623
. BTW we are still looking for someone to volunteer a summary or
review of this paper for the Wikimedia Research Newsletter/ Wikipedia
Signpost, so that more community members can learn about this research
- contact me in case you're interested.

[6] 
https://9to5google.com/2017/11/08/google-search-knowledge-panels-news-publications/

[7] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T175870

[8] Cf. last quarter's edition:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] New Affiliations Committee appointments

[Katherine Maher]

Congratulations to Sami, Derick, and Biplab on your new appointments, Emna
and Maor on your reappointments, and thank you Galileo for your many years
of service!

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Lucas Teles  wrote:

> Congratulations to the approved ones and thanks Galio for so many years of
> work!
>
> Teles
>
> Em qua, 24 de jan de 2018 às 13:04, Bijay chaurasia <
> bijaychaurasi...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> > Congratulations.
> > Regards
> > Bijay
> >
> > On 24 Jan 2018 8:59 a.m., "Rémy Gerbet" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations to you all !!
> > >
> > >
> > > *Gerbet Rémy*
> > >
> > > *Chargé de Mission Politique Territoriale**07 84 37 91 04*
> > > *---**-*
> > >
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> > > *www.wikimedia.fr  *
> > > *40 rue de clery, **75002 Paris*
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > > * 
> > > *
> > >
> > > 2018-01-23 17:00 GMT+01:00 Galileo Vidoni :
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Kirill and to the rest of the committee for their kind
> words.
> > > > I'm very fond of having served AffCom and I'm always available if you
> > > think
> > > > my past experience could be useful.
> > > >
> > > > As to Stu's question —yes, there have been cases of outgoing
> committee
> > > > members not being re-appointed.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Galileo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El 23 ene. 2018 4:37 p. m., "Stuart Prior" <
> > > stuart.pr...@wikimedia.org.uk>
> > > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > > Congratulations to those re-selected and newly appointed, and
> > > > commiserations to those unsuccessful.
> > > >
> > > > I do have one question spurred on by the consistent re-selection of
> > > > existing members for the past two rounds which will might require a
> > > little
> > > > collective institutional memory to answer.
> > > > Has anyone putting themselves forward for re-selection ever not been
> > > > re-appointed by the committee?
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > > (User:Battleofalma)
> > > >
> > > > On 23 January 2018 at 13:52, Nabin K. Sapkota <
> > > nboycreationne...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Congratulations to all newly appointed and reappointed members.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Nabin
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23 January 2018 at 19:33, Kirill Lokshin <
> > kirill.loks...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pleased to announce that Derick Ndimnain Alangi, Biplab
> Anand,
> > > and
> > > > > Sami
> > > > > > Mlouhi have appointed to the Affiliations Committee as new
> members.
> > > In
> > > > > > addition, two incumbent members -- Maor Malul and Emna Mizouni --
> > > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > re-appointed for an additional term.  Please join me in welcoming
> > our
> > > > new
> > > > > > and returning members.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The committee extends its profound gratitude to Galileo Vidoni,
> who
> > > is
> > > > > > stepping down after having served six years on the committee, and
> > to
> > > > > > everyone who participated in the recent selection process,
> whether
> > by
> > > > > > standing as a candidate or by providing feedback on the
> > applications.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > > > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

[John Erling Blad]

If it has been discussed before, then it would be nice if someone can
provide a pointer to that discussion.

Den ons. 24. jan. 2018, 11.29 skrev Joseph Seddon :

> This conversation started in the middle of the Christmas break following
> which I suspect many staff took extended holidays, most departments are in
> the middle annual planning and this week WMF are gathering for their annual
> all hands meetings. So lets firtst consider the fact that senior legal
> staff have a lot on their plate.
>
> This problem has been discussed before and reviewed by legal as acceptable.
> A subsequent review is clearly going to be a low priority task as I am sure
> you can understand Pine.
>
> Making threats to handle ones demand and only in a manner that is
> acceptable to you is hardly going to make staff receptive to expediting
> your request. Lets give the good people time, afford them patience on our
> behalf and let them do their jobs.
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:04 AM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > FYI for those on WIkimedia-l who may be interested, conversation about
> this
> > matter is ongoing. I am waiting a response from WMF Legal, and there may
> be
> > others who have opened their own lines of inquiry.
> >
> > If I don't receive a reply from WMF Legal that I feel is satisfactory, or
> > if I don't receive one at all, then I plan to set up an RfC about this
> > matter.
> >
> > Pine 
> > 
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Vi to  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm scared of the solutions that will "fix" this.
> > > I expect something as dramatically useful as the removal of "unblock
> this
> > > IP" button for IPs caught by autoblocks of registered users.
> > >
> > > Vito
> > >
> > > 2018-01-01 22:46 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> > >
> > > > I have created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183876 and am
> > pinging
> > > > Legal to request a review of this matter.
> > > >
> > > > Happy new year,
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Siamese networks and image classification

[John Erling Blad]

I had a plan to do a more thorough description on meta, but my plans are
always to optimistic… ;)

Question 1: I wonder if anyone has done any work on categorization of
images on Commons by using neural nets.
Question 2: I wonder if anyone has used Siamese networks to do more general
categorization of images.

A Siamese network is a kind of network used for face recognition. It is
called Siamese network because it is two parallel networks in its simplest
form, but one of the networks are precomputed so in effect you only
evaluates one of the networks. Usually you have one face provided by a
camera and run through one network, and a number of other precomputed faces
for the other network. When the difference is small, then you have a face
match.

In general you can have any kind of image as long as you can train a kind
of fingerprint type of vector. This fingerprint will then acts like
locality-sensitive hashing [1]. Because you can create this LSH from the
vector, you can store alternate models in database, so you can later search
it and find usable models. Those models can then interpret the vector form
of the fingerprint, and by evaluating those models with actual input (ie
the fingerprint vector) you can get an estimate for how probable it is that
the image belong to a specific category.

What you would get from the previous process is a list of probable
categorizations. That list can be sorted, and a user trying to categorize
an image can then chose to select some of the categories.

Note that the output of the network is not just a few categories, it can be
a variant number of models that outputs a probability for a specific
category. It is a bit like a map-reduce, where the you find (filter) the
possible models and then evaluate (map) those models with the fingerprint
vector.

It is perhaps not obvious, but the idea behind Siamese networks are two
parallel networks, but the implementation is with a single active network.
Also the implemented network has a first part that computes the fingerprint
vector (kind of a bottleneck network) and the second part are the stored
models that takes this fingerprint vector and calculates a single output
for the probability of a single category.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locality-sensitive_hashing

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I am having a little trouble with understanding your email from January
> 15th. Could you perhaps state your question or point in a different way?
>
> Pine 
> 
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:55 AM, John Erling Blad 
> wrote:
>
> > This is the same as the entry on the wishlist for 2016, but describes the
> > actual method.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_
> > Survey/Categories/Commons#Use_computer_vision_to_propose_categories
> >
> > Both contrastive and triplet loss can be used while learning, but neither
> > are described at Wikipedia.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:16 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > I have not heard of an initiative to use Siamese neural networks for
> > image
> > > classifications on on Commons. You might make a suggestion on the AI,
> > > Research, and/or Commons mailing lists regarding this idea. You might
> > also
> > > make a suggestion in IdeaLab
> > > .
> > >
> > > Pine 
> > > 
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 3:46 AM, John Erling Blad 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Has anyone tried to use a Siamese neural network for image
> > classification
> > > > at Commons? I don't know if it will be good enough to run in
> autonomous
> > > > mode, but it will probably be a huge help for those that do manual
> > > > classification.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine a network providing a list of possible categories, and the
> user
> > > > just ticks off usable categories.
> > > >
> > > > A Siamese network can be learned by using a triplet loss function,
> > where
> > > > the anchor and the positive candidate comes from the same category,
> and
> > > the
> > > > negative candidate comes from an other category but are otherwise
> close
> > > to
> > > > the anchor.
> > > >
> > > > Output from the network is like a fingerprint, and those fingerprints
> > can
> > > > be compared to other images with known fingerprints, or against a
> > > > generalized fingerprint for a category.
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lower page views

[Christophe Henner]

All across the web there is a trend in less page views due to the increase
of mobile.

People on mobile tend to click on less links than on desktop. So you can
witness increase reach in users and less pageviews in total.



Le 24 janv. 2018 08:59, "Shlomi Fish"  a écrit :

> On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:55:07 +0100
> Anders Wennersten  wrote:
>
> > We are seeing a steady decrease of page views to our projects
> > (Wikipedia). Nov-Dec-Jan it is decreasing in a rate of 5-10%
> > (year-year), and for big languages like Japanese,  Spanish close to 10%,
> > or some months even more  [1]
> >
> > Is there any insights of why this is so? Could it be that Google take
> > over accesses with their ever better way of showing results direct  (but
> > then also with showing extracts of Wikipedia articles) .
>
> I think this is a likely contributing cause.
>
> > Or that our
> > interface on mobiles is inferior so we miss accesses from mobiles (now
> > being 54% of total). Or horror of horror that users look for facts on
> > all new sites with fake news instead of Wikipedia?
> >
> > Anders
> >
> > [1] https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm
> >
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board statement endorsing future resourcing and direction of the movement

[Christophe Henner]

Hello everyone,

As many of you know, in October we concluded phase 1 of the movement
strategy process. The result was a final draft of the strategic
direction,[1] summarizing the hundreds of conversations that took place all
over the world, on wiki and off, about where we as a movement want
Wikimedia to go next. Many communities and individuals have signed on to
the direction, expressing their support for the guide we collectively
created for our future.

The Board recognizes the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead in
making this direction a reality. In the next phase of the movement
strategy, we will get into more of the specifics of how to make that
happen. With that in mind, we would like to share a statement setting forth
our commitment to the future of Wikimedia, and a clear mandate for the
Wikimedia Foundation to invest the resources necessary to support the
growth and evolution required for the next chapter of Wikimedia’s future.

Our statement is included below, and on Meta-Wiki, where it has been set up
for translation:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/November_2017_-_Statement_endorsing_future_resourcing_and_direction_of_the_organization

The Board greatly appreciates all of the time and energy that thousands of
people have put into the movement strategy process. Special appreciation
goes out to the members of the community who stepped up to help lead local,
language, or global organizing efforts. We are not done yet, but what we
have created is something that we should all be proud of -- for the process
of how we got to this direction, as much as for the direction itself.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees,

Christophe Henner, Board Chair

***

Statement

At our most recent Board meeting on the 18th of November, the Wikimedia
Foundation Board focused much of our discussion on the needs and goals of
the Wikimedia 2030 movement strategy process.[1] We carefully considered
the next steps we as a movement, and the Wikimedia Foundation in
particular, need to take to build for our future.

The Board is committed to ensuring the vision outlined in the Wikimedia
2030 process becomes a reality. To support this direction and the future of
the Wikimedia movement, it is our belief that the Wikimedia Foundation must
expand its resources through healthy, sustainable practices. To this end,
we want to give a clear mandate for the Wikimedia Foundation to invest the
resources necessary to support the growth and evolution required for the
next chapter of Wikimedia’s future.

We specifically recommend that the Foundation:

   -

   Increase investment in Foundation staffing and other means of support
   for the movement direction, sufficiently resourcing product, technology,
   and community health commitments in particular;
   -

   Support and engage with individuals, groups, and organizations,
   especially within the Wikimedia movement, to further develop their
   capacities, including the specific needs of emerging communities;
   -

   Support the fundraising team in raising additional funds beyond what is
   called for in the annual plan to prepare us for future growth;
   -

   Increase revenue as needed to support investment and growth;
   -

   Explore alternative revenue streams for the Foundation and movement; and
   -

   Undertake any capacity expansion in a healthy and sustainable way that
   anticipates current and future needs.

Based on anticipated need and past performance, we envision an annual
budgetary growth rate of 10–20% over the next several years.

The Board takes seriously its responsibility to the Foundation and by
extension, to the global Wikimedia movement. We believe this mandate will
better ensure we can realize the future we all have outlined as part of
Wikimedia 2030. We are committed to ensuring the sustainable growth and
success of our movement, and the Wikimedia Foundation’s role in supporting
its future.

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction



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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board of Trustees November 2017 meeting minutes

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] New Affiliations Committee appointments

[Lucas Teles]

Congratulations to the approved ones and thanks Galio for so many years of
work!

Teles

Em qua, 24 de jan de 2018 às 13:04, Bijay chaurasia <
bijaychaurasi...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Congratulations.
> Regards
> Bijay
>
> On 24 Jan 2018 8:59 a.m., "Rémy Gerbet"  wrote:
>
> > Congratulations to you all !!
> >
> >
> > *Gerbet Rémy*
> >
> > *Chargé de Mission Politique Territoriale**07 84 37 91 04*
> > *---**-*
> >
> > *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE*Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance
> > *www.wikimedia.fr  *
> > *40 rue de clery, **75002 Paris*
> > 
> >
> >
> > * 
> > *
> >
> > 2018-01-23 17:00 GMT+01:00 Galileo Vidoni :
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Thanks to Kirill and to the rest of the committee for their kind words.
> > > I'm very fond of having served AffCom and I'm always available if you
> > think
> > > my past experience could be useful.
> > >
> > > As to Stu's question —yes, there have been cases of outgoing committee
> > > members not being re-appointed.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Galileo
> > >
> > >
> > > El 23 ene. 2018 4:37 p. m., "Stuart Prior" <
> > stuart.pr...@wikimedia.org.uk>
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > > Congratulations to those re-selected and newly appointed, and
> > > commiserations to those unsuccessful.
> > >
> > > I do have one question spurred on by the consistent re-selection of
> > > existing members for the past two rounds which will might require a
> > little
> > > collective institutional memory to answer.
> > > Has anyone putting themselves forward for re-selection ever not been
> > > re-appointed by the committee?
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > > (User:Battleofalma)
> > >
> > > On 23 January 2018 at 13:52, Nabin K. Sapkota <
> > nboycreationne...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congratulations to all newly appointed and reappointed members.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Nabin
> > > >
> > > > On 23 January 2018 at 19:33, Kirill Lokshin <
> kirill.loks...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pleased to announce that Derick Ndimnain Alangi, Biplab Anand,
> > and
> > > > Sami
> > > > > Mlouhi have appointed to the Affiliations Committee as new members.
> > In
> > > > > addition, two incumbent members -- Maor Malul and Emna Mizouni --
> > have
> > > > been
> > > > > re-appointed for an additional term.  Please join me in welcoming
> our
> > > new
> > > > > and returning members.
> > > > >
> > > > > The committee extends its profound gratitude to Galileo Vidoni, who
> > is
> > > > > stepping down after having served six years on the committee, and
> to
> > > > > everyone who participated in the recent selection process, whether
> by
> > > > > standing as a candidate or by providing feedback on the
> applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

[Joseph Seddon]

This conversation started in the middle of the Christmas break following
which I suspect many staff took extended holidays, most departments are in
the middle annual planning and this week WMF are gathering for their annual
all hands meetings. So lets firtst consider the fact that senior legal
staff have a lot on their plate.

This problem has been discussed before and reviewed by legal as acceptable.
A subsequent review is clearly going to be a low priority task as I am sure
you can understand Pine.

Making threats to handle ones demand and only in a manner that is
acceptable to you is hardly going to make staff receptive to expediting
your request. Lets give the good people time, afford them patience on our
behalf and let them do their jobs.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:04 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> FYI for those on WIkimedia-l who may be interested, conversation about this
> matter is ongoing. I am waiting a response from WMF Legal, and there may be
> others who have opened their own lines of inquiry.
>
> If I don't receive a reply from WMF Legal that I feel is satisfactory, or
> if I don't receive one at all, then I plan to set up an RfC about this
> matter.
>
> Pine 
> 
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Vi to  wrote:
>
> > I'm scared of the solutions that will "fix" this.
> > I expect something as dramatically useful as the removal of "unblock this
> > IP" button for IPs caught by autoblocks of registered users.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2018-01-01 22:46 GMT+01:00 Pine W :
> >
> > > I have created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183876 and am
> pinging
> > > Legal to request a review of this matter.
> > >
> > > Happy new year,
> > >
> > > Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lower page views

[Shlomi Fish]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:55:07 +0100
Anders Wennersten  wrote:

> We are seeing a steady decrease of page views to our projects 
> (Wikipedia). Nov-Dec-Jan it is decreasing in a rate of 5-10% 
> (year-year), and for big languages like Japanese,  Spanish close to 10%, 
> or some months even more  [1]
> 
> Is there any insights of why this is so? Could it be that Google take 
> over accesses with their ever better way of showing results direct  (but 
> then also with showing extracts of Wikipedia articles) . 

I think this is a likely contributing cause.

> Or that our 
> interface on mobiles is inferior so we miss accesses from mobiles (now 
> being 54% of total). Or horror of horror that users look for facts on 
> all new sites with fake news instead of Wikipedia?
> 
> Anders
> 
> [1] https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm
> 
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