Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The fact that it is considered major enough to address how Snøhetta became
blocked on English Wikipedia is ok. What is also does is confirm the bias
towards English Wikipedia. I am pretty sure that in the briefing of
Snøhetta personnel it was NOT mentioned that other projects may have
different policies, they substantially differ.

For me this whole process seems like a traintrack leading to a train wreck.
Wikipedia is not what *we *do, it is the brand Wikimedia is best known for.
Remember bias is not experienced and appreciated by the people who are
associated with what is dominant. I stated before how Wikipedia bias has
prevented us to move forward with our other "brands" and projects. I would
like some response on that.
Thanks,
GeradM

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 00:16, Samir Elsharbaty 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns and
> questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have now added an
> FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about the block
> and what is being done. The project team is in the process of updating the
> project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those pages to
> your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Samir
>
> [1] https://w.wiki/LEF
>
> Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
>
> Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial relationship
> with
> > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats been
> > reviewed already.   Over the years I've worked with many users who been
> > blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they
> start
> > making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to be
> > something done to get them back to good standing with the community first
> > untiil thats taken place.It's like asking the fox to rebuild the hen
> > house,  I just dont see how I could support anything they recommend.
> >
> > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into the
> 2030
> > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should have
> > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible
> not
> > to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we will be
> > doing anything for the next 10 years.
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard  wrote:
> >
> > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness
> > > to work with Wikipedia properly:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please
> > >
> > >
> > > - d.
> > >
> > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far,
> it
> > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we
> > operate,
> > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin
> > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of
> buzz,
> > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong,
> > and
> > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block
> > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Pine W
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM
> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
> > > > you, Essie.
> > > >
> > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
> > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of
> resources
> > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a
> > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
> > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself
> as
> > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and
> > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
> > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think
> that
> > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
> > > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
> > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
> > > > months.
> > > >
> > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
> > > > in its current form.
> > > >
> > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

[Samir Elsharbaty]

Hi everyone,

The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns and
questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have now added an
FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about the block
and what is being done. The project team is in the process of updating the
project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those pages to
your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information.


Best,

Samir

[1] https://w.wiki/LEF

Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)

Community Brand and Marketing coordinator

Wikimedia Foundation 



On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra  wrote:

> This does have feeling of a company creating a financial relationship with
> the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats been
> reviewed already.   Over the years I've worked with many users who been
> blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they start
> making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to be
> something done to get them back to good standing with the community first
> untiil thats taken place.It's like asking the fox to rebuild the hen
> house,  I just dont see how I could support anything they recommend.
>
> After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into the 2030
> strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should have
> been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible not
> to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we will be
> doing anything for the next 10 years.
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard  wrote:
>
> > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness
> > to work with Wikipedia properly:
> >
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
> > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far, it
> > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we
> operate,
> > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin
> > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of buzz,
> > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong,
> and
> > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block
> > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Pine W
> > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
> > > you, Essie.
> > >
> > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
> > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of resources
> > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a
> > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
> > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself as
> > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and
> > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
> > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think that
> > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
> > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
> > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
> > > months.
> > >
> > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
> > > in its current form.
> > >
> > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated
> > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether
> > > this project should continue. If the community wants a branding
> > > project to continue, I would let the community decide on the project's
> > > parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should be involved.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > >
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[Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Finalizing the recommendations and further process

[Nicole Ebber]

Hi everyone,

I wanted to share some updates from movement strategy with you. We are
currently integrating feedback into the recommendations and finalizing
them. However, due to the impact of COVID-19, we have adjusted our work
plan and timeline [1] a little.

== Updates to the movement strategy timeline ==

The COVID-19 pandemic is having an enormous effect on people and their
day-to-day lives, and I want to give the core team, strategy liaisons, and
integrators and writers ample space to adjust to this and take some time
for themselves if needed. This means we have slowed down the pace of our
work and now aim to publish the final recommendations in April.

Discussions about implementation will start at the virtual Wikimedia Summit
[2], which will be held online in May (dates are to be confirmed). This
will be the first in a series of virtual events that move from engaging
with the recommendations and transitioning into implementation. We will, of
course, share further updates about this as soon as possible.

== Status update on the recommendations: integrating feedback ==

Over the past few weeks, a team of Wikimedians [3] has been working to
integrate feedback received from the Movement, the Wikimedia Foundation
Board of Trustees, and former working group members who have been reviewing
the content [4]. They have used this to make the ideas and the language
more concise and clear; identify overlaps in content and combine ideas
where applicable; as well as address areas of debate. A lot of rich input
was received from across the Movement, and this has helped improve the
recommendations further. We are grateful for all the feedback. We are
almost there and excited to share the final recommendations with you in
April.

If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me.

Stay safe and healthy,
Nicole

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2020
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Integrators
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Reviewers

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