[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wiki Loves Africa's 2021 Winners announced outside Wikimedia community

[Florence Devouard]

Thanks for your on-going support Camelia !

Cheers

Florence


Le 30/08/2021 à 16:43, Camelia Boban a écrit :

Hi Isla & Florence & Ceslause,
congratulations to the participants, you - the organizers - and the 
jury team. Are wonderful images.

I will be happy to share that news on our social channels.

Camelia, WikiDonne

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Il giorno lun 30 ago 2021 alle ore 15:49 Isla Haddow-Flood 
mailto:islahad...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:


Hello all

We are very excited to announce the winners of Wiki Loves Africa
2021. Due to a permissions issue (that is now resolved - thanks
Commons heroes!) we had to delay the external announcement of Wiki
Loves Africa's 2021 winners.

As you will see on the official announcement


 [1]
there is so much to celebrate in the full collection but the
winners really do shine, and show why Commons and the Wikimedia
projects are so important. If you are interested, dig into the
information here …

Social media channels:
• Facebook page  [2]
• Twitter  [3]
• Instagram  [4]
• YouTube playlist


[5]
• Social media hashtag : #wikilovesafrica #wikilovesafrica21
#celebrateAfrica
We would really appreciate it if you would share the news!! And if
you are interested in exploring further, please take a look at the:

  * Press release


[6]
  * Press kit


[7]

Wiki Loves Africa could not happen without the tireless input and
energy from the Wikimedia communities, user groups and enthusiasts
across Africa and beyond. Thank you, thank you for your incredible
enthusiasm.

The international jury this year was made up of a heady balance of
Commonists and professional photographers. Your dedication, time
and experience was invaluable. I hope I have covered all of the
time and effort in this detailed jury repor

t
[8].

You can get a chance to meet the winners and hear about other
participants in the project on Friday's WikiAfrica Hour - details
on Meta here
 [9].

(A similar release in French will happen during the course of this
week!)

Speak soon,

warmest regards
Isla, and Flo and Ceslause


[1]

https://www.wikilovesafrica.net/the-universal-human-experience-celebrated-in-wiki-loves-africas-photo-competition-on-wikipedia/


[2] https://www.facebook.com/wikilovesafrica

[3] https://www.twitter.com/wikilovesafric

[4] https://www.twitter.com/wikilovesafrica

[5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeiU2ZGuQDg=PLvyE0yEt-BKgEUM5QlcQOwsMtpbWCbsnA


[6]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B6WwjdWVtuk_n4lxFYfk2BzxbedWdGI-/view?usp=sharing



[7]https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GPYaBMDiSfKTlMAp0JfJAuYVwM5eP3xp?usp=sharing


[8]

https://www.wikilovesafrica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Wiki-Loves-Africa-2021-Jury-Report-1.pdf


[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAfrica_Hour/Episodes

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

[Vi to]

I've been involved with hr.wiki case as a steward. I suggested to take a
series of quite bold actions but there were reasonable concerns in terms of
legitimacy among stewards, there were the ability of smart dudes in the
cabal to hijack discussions, there was the reluctance of meta people due to
nPOV concerns, [some more very polemic things I prefer to omit], etc etc.
Putting it simply hr.wiki case showed some limit of our model, the model I
was born and grew up as an user.
The *wiki process* of a medium-sized community went broke, with a language
(even weaker than some Central Asia wikis) barrier lowering the wiki's
accountability, nobody had formally the role to step in.
I got my personal dose of clamor during my annual confirmations which
probably sounded quite intimidating for anyone willing to tackle the issue.

Probably the lesson to be learnt is the need for an audit of contents and
some structure with the means to investigate a very very narrow set of very
complex complaints, although both things (the first one in particular) are
very sensitive in terms of culture neutrality.

Vito

Il giorno lun 23 ago 2021 alle ore 14:22 Andreas Kolbe 
ha scritto:

> Mike,
>
> The corruption of the Croatian Wikipedia began in 2009 and became front
> page news in Croatia in September 2013. The term "fake news" hadn't been
> invented yet, but the Croatian Education Minister issued a public warning
> to the country's youth in 2013 that they should avoid the Croatian
> Wikipedia, as much of its content was "not only misleading but also clearly
> falsified".
>
> So I can't agree that this "was perceived, rightly or wrongly, as less of
> a problem" at the time. It's hard to imagine how it could have been more
> prominent.
>
> The matter was even discussed in the US mainstream media, hardly known for
> detailed coverage of Croatian affairs. In October 2013 the Croatian
> Wikipedia's subversion was the subject of a dedicated article by Tim
> Sampson in the Daily Dot. In 2014 it received a mention from Caitlin Dewey
> in the Washington Post. (You can read all about this timeline in the
> English-language Wikipedia article on the Croatian Wikipedia, and the
> sources cited therein.)
>
> Compared to the level of public interest eight years ago, the press had
> actually been quiet about this decade-long scandal in recent years – more
> due to topic fatigue, I think, than anything else – though there was a
> smattering of articles published by the Balkan Investigative Reporting
> Network in 2018, concluding with a report stating that the Wikimedia
> Foundation had refused to respond to their inquiries.[1] Ouch.
>
> So it was all the more welcome that the WMF finally did something this
> year and commissioned an expert to write a report, after a decade of
> complaints from media and the volunteer community.
>
> The idea to have an outside expert look at how human rights violations by
> political regimes are covered (or covered up ...) in various Wikipedia
> language versions, and summarise their observations in a public report, is
> an obvious one. (I suggested as much back in 2015.[2])
>
> The costs of doing this now will hardly have been prohibitive.
> Commissioning a report like this would have been well within the WMF's
> means in 2013 as well. (The WMF reported a budget surplus of $13 million in
> 2013.) So I stand by my assertion: the WMF could have done then what it has
> done now, but lacked the will, or courage.
>
> You are right about one thing – in matters like this, both action and
> inaction can be construed as a moral failing. I absolutely applaud the
> decision made in this case, but can also imagine that, the precedent having
> been set, scenarios might arise some years down the line, under different
> leadership, where the same type of WMF action could be more problematic.
> This is something for the community to watch out for.
>
> Andreas
>
> [1]
> https://balkaninsight.com/2018/04/23/wikipedia-not-replying-to-inquires-on-croatian-entries-04-20-2018/
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedia_Freedom_Index
>
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:33 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think you're indulging in the common tendency of inferring that if WMF
>> did not do something a decade ago that it had the legal right to do, it
>> follows that it lacked the moral courage to do that thing (or else that it
>> had moral courage then but lacks it now--the moral-judgment fantasy can run
>> in both directions).
>>
>> Given that concern about disinformation on Wikipedia and elsewhere was
>> less prominent in public discourse a decade ago, Occam's Razor suggests
>> that the primary reason for any change in willingness to engage in top-down
>> intervention was that disinformation was perceived, rightly or wrongly, as
>> less of problem. In addition, you assert (without any facts offered in
>> support) that WMF was just as well-positioned to directly intervene in
>> disinformation problems a decade ago as they may 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wiki Loves Africa's 2021 Winners announced outside Wikimedia community

[Isla Haddow-Flood]

Wonderful!! Thank you Camelia!

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 at 16:44, Camelia Boban  wrote:

> Hi Isla & Florence & Ceslause,
> congratulations to the participants, you - the organizers - and the jury
> team. Are wonderful images.
> I will be happy to share that news on our social channels.
>
> Camelia, WikiDonne
>
> --
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>
> *| Java EE Developer |*
>
> WikiDonne | Wikimedia Diversity Ambassador | *AffCom*
>
> M. +39 3383385545
> camelia.bo...@gmail.com
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> *
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno lun 30 ago 2021 alle ore 15:49 Isla Haddow-Flood <
> islahad...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> We are very excited to announce the winners of Wiki Loves Africa 2021.
>> Due to a permissions issue (that is now resolved - thanks Commons
>> heroes!) we had to delay the external announcement of Wiki Loves Africa's
>> 2021 winners.
>>
>> As you will see on the official announcement
>> 
>>  [1]
>> there is so much to celebrate in the full collection but the winners
>> really do shine, and show why Commons and the Wikimedia projects are so
>> important. If you are interested, dig into the information here …
>>
>> Social media channels:
>> • Facebook page  [2]
>> • Twitter  [3]
>> • Instagram  [4]
>> • YouTube playlist
>> 
>> [5]
>> • Social media hashtag : #wikilovesafrica #wikilovesafrica21
>> #celebrateAfrica
>> We would really appreciate it if you would share the news!!  And if you
>> are interested in exploring further, please take a look at the:
>>
>>- Press release
>>
>> 
>>[6]
>>- Press kit
>>
>> 
>>[7]
>>
>> Wiki Loves Africa could not happen without the tireless input and energy
>> from the Wikimedia communities, user groups and enthusiasts across Africa
>> and beyond. Thank you, thank you for your incredible enthusiasm.
>>
>> The international jury this year was made up of a heady balance of
>> Commonists and professional photographers. Your dedication, time and
>> experience was invaluable. I hope I have covered all of the time and effort
>> in this detailed jury repor
>> t
>> [8].
>>
>> You can get a chance to meet the winners and hear about other
>> participants in the project on Friday's WikiAfrica Hour - details on
>> Meta here  [9].
>>
>> (A similar release in French will happen during the course of this week!)
>>
>> Speak soon,
>>
>> warmest regards
>> Isla, and Flo and Ceslause
>> 
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.wikilovesafrica.net/the-universal-human-experience-celebrated-in-wiki-loves-africas-photo-competition-on-wikipedia/
>> [2] https://www.facebook.com/wikilovesafrica
>> [3] https://www.twitter.com/wikilovesafric
>> 
>> [4] https://www.twitter.com/wikilovesafrica
>> [5]
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeiU2ZGuQDg=PLvyE0yEt-BKgEUM5QlcQOwsMtpbWCbsnA
>> [6]
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B6WwjdWVtuk_n4lxFYfk2BzxbedWdGI-/view?usp=sharing
>> [7]
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GPYaBMDiSfKTlMAp0JfJAuYVwM5eP3xp?usp=sharing
>> [8]
>> https://www.wikilovesafrica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Wiki-Loves-Africa-2021-Jury-Report-1.pdf
>> [9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAfrica_Hour/Episodes
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Africa's 2021 Winners announced outside Wikimedia community

[Isla Haddow-Flood]

Hello all

We are very excited to announce the winners of Wiki Loves Africa 2021. Due
to a permissions issue (that is now resolved - thanks Commons heroes!) we
had to delay the external announcement of Wiki Loves Africa's 2021 winners.

As you will see on the official announcement

[1]
there is so much to celebrate in the full collection but the winners really
do shine, and show why Commons and the Wikimedia projects are so important.
If you are interested, dig into the information here …

Social media channels:
• Facebook page  [2]
• Twitter  [3]
• Instagram  [4]
• YouTube playlist

[5]
• Social media hashtag : #wikilovesafrica #wikilovesafrica21
#celebrateAfrica
We would really appreciate it if you would share the news!!  And if you are
interested in exploring further, please take a look at the:

   - Press release
   

   [6]
   - Press kit
   

   [7]

Wiki Loves Africa could not happen without the tireless input and energy
from the Wikimedia communities, user groups and enthusiasts across Africa
and beyond. Thank you, thank you for your incredible enthusiasm.

The international jury this year was made up of a heady balance of
Commonists and professional photographers. Your dedication, time and
experience was invaluable. I hope I have covered all of the time and effort
in this detailed jury repor
t
[8].

You can get a chance to meet the winners and hear about other participants
in the project on Friday's WikiAfrica Hour - details on Meta here
 [9].

(A similar release in French will happen during the course of this week!)

Speak soon,

warmest regards
Isla, and Flo and Ceslause


[1]
https://www.wikilovesafrica.net/the-universal-human-experience-celebrated-in-wiki-loves-africas-photo-competition-on-wikipedia/
[2] https://www.facebook.com/wikilovesafrica
[3] https://www.twitter.com/wikilovesafric

[4] https://www.twitter.com/wikilovesafrica
[5]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeiU2ZGuQDg=PLvyE0yEt-BKgEUM5QlcQOwsMtpbWCbsnA
[6]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B6WwjdWVtuk_n4lxFYfk2BzxbedWdGI-/view?usp=sharing
[7]
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GPYaBMDiSfKTlMAp0JfJAuYVwM5eP3xp?usp=sharing
[8]
https://www.wikilovesafrica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Wiki-Loves-Africa-2021-Jury-Report-1.pdf
[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAfrica_Hour/Episodes
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

[Mike Godwin]

Sure. Most of the people involved in policy decisions for WMF back then are
still around, so a researcher who wants to know what happened and why can
ask them.

Mike

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 6:04 AM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Are these “facts of the matter” available for evidence focused rational
> consideration?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Godwin [mailto:mnemo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 August 2021 02:30
> *To:* Andreas Kolbe
> *Cc:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion
> article to check...
>
>
>
> Andreas writes
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:12 AM Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
> But unless I am totally misreading you, your attitude sounds a lot like
> "Why should anyone care (or have cared) about Croatian and all these other
> languages spoken in some countries at the other end of the world?" If that
> does reflect your sentiment, then your mindset seems very much out of tune
> with WMF thought today.
>
>
>
> The most generous assessment of this gloss is that you are, in fact,
> totally misreading me. The less generous assessments I leave to the
> rhetorically inclined reader.
>
>
>
> I am not sure you are actually interested in an answer here, but what I
> did do, for what it's worth, was to make sure that the WP Signpost and WP
> Kurier covered the story when it first broke, mention it repeatedly over
> the years in my writing on WO and in the Signpost, as well as in
> correspondence with journalists and academics, and submit the
> aforementioned idea to the WMF – to have experts review human rights
> topics' coverage in Wikipedia language versions that may be subject to
> undue political influence, and publicly report the results. I think that's
> about all you could have reasonably expected me to have done here.
>
>
>
> I also think it is reasonable to expect you not to default to presuming
> things about the motives of WMF personnel in the absence of evidence. But
> that's me--I'm evidence-focused.
>
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that for about a decade, one of Wikipedia's
> top-50 language versions promoted extremist content, with the WMF's full
> knowledge. That is Not A Good Thing, whether you work for the WMF or not,
> and you have given no discernible reason why what was done this year could
> not have been done years ago, when the WMF was first made aware of the
> situation.
>
>
>
> Your characterization of "the fact of the matter" is morally confused. To
> wit, you want to imply that if some people at WMF knew something about what
> was happening in the Croatian Wikipedia, it follows that WMF
> institutionally decided, as a matter of policy, not to do what you wish
> they might have done. You do not have "the facts of the matter" that
> demonstrate such an institutional decision took place.
>
>
>
> Once again, you default to moral condemnation, and it seems self-evident
> that you're doing so because it's cheaper and easier than understanding
> what might actually have happened.
>
>
>
> Mike Godwin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Arabia Conference Algeria from 15 to 17 October 2021

[Mohammed Bachounda]

Under the title "*Openness *", "
انفتاح "
the Algerian Wikimedians User Group
 has the honor to
organize the first remote conference of its kind directed at the
Wikimedians community, in which it invites Arab user groups in the Arab
region and all users of the Arabic Wikipedia encyclopedia to participate in
it by submitting talks under this title. The conference will be from 15 to
17 October 2021


We believe in the importance of the Wikimedia community, especially the
Arab community, in the perspective of openness towards global free
knowledge content, to offer this information in Arabic through Wikipedia
and its sister projects to every human being in this universe.

The Wikimedia Algeria user group is organizing the Wiki Arabia Algeria 2021
conference, which will be virtual for the first time in the Arab world from
15 to 17 October 2021 under the title "Openness".
We are honored to invite you to participate and enrich this conference,
which is an opportunity to share your topics and experiences with the Arab
region.

*We suggest to you four main points that need cessions during the
conference*:

   - How can we achieve this openness?
   - How do we increase the quantity and quality of content in the Arabic
   Wikipedia and its sister projects?
   - What are the strategies that should be adopted to publish outstanding
   content in the Arabic Wikipedia and its sister projects?
   - How do we maintain the pace of enriching good and new content in the
   Arabic Wikipedia and its sister projects?


In order to present your important conference, you can fill in the
intervention form via the following link   :
https://www.wikiarabia2021.com/en_GB/event/propose-2/track_proposal
As a reminder, the *deadline *for submission of interventions is *September
15, 2021 at 23:59 UTC*

If you have any questions or inquiries, please email us at
*prog...@wikiarabia2021.com
*.


You can visit the conference website via this link  :
https://www.wikiarabia2021.com/en_GB/event/propose-2/page/lmqdm-wyky-rbyw-2021-ljzyr

We invite you to visit the rest of the Meta pages
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All appreciation and respect

*Mohammed Bachounda*

On behalf of the organizational team of WikiArabia Algeria.



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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 257, Issue 1

[Vi to]

Given that Hillbillyholiday is moderated biting replies aren't much fair.

Vito

Il giorno lun 30 ago 2021 alle ore 03:05 Mike Godwin 
ha scritto:

> Someone with the entirely authoritative email address "
> hillbillyholi...@gmail.com" writes (apparently under the impression that
> I don't know who Andreas is) the following:
>
> 'I am appalled by your sneering condescension of Andreas.'
>
> This is an unusual misreading of a fairly straightforward, even though
> ironic, text. A careful reader will have noted that did not dispute
> Andreas's research or recitation of any facts. What I did dispute is his
> characterization of motives, which is ungrounded in any of those facts.
>
> In a subsequent message, Hillbillyholiday says somethingsomethingsomething
> about me being a nazi, haha.
>
> In the land where I grew up, soi-disant "hillbillies"--whether on holiday
> or not--knew their Bible verses. So perhaps Hillbilly will understand why
> the verse that comes to mind in reference to his attempt at a riposte is
> Job 38:4.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 3:35 AM 
> wrote:
>
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>>4. Re: Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2021
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>> Message: 1
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>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2021
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> I would like to announce the Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2021
>> ,
>> which
>> is scheduled to take place from 5-7 November and will be a virtual event
>> for a second consecutive year.
>>
>> This year's conference will be labelled with the slogan "Meet for a Better
>> Future!" and its programme will be mostly filled with session proposals
>> received through a call for submissions, while there will also be a
>> handful
>> of sessions that will feature keynote speakers or will be formatted as
>> plenary discussions on important topics from the Wikimedia movement. *You
>> can submit your session proposal
>> <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021/Submissions
>> >
>> until
>> the extended deadline of 30 September 2021.*
>>
>> Considering that the event will take place in an online environment and
>> there are no significant barriers for participation, we would like to
>> encourage participation and session proposals by people from outside the
>> region of Central and Eastern Europe.
>>
>> In case you have any questions regarding the conference, please do not
>> hesitate to contact the Organising Committee members
>> <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021/Development#Organising_Committee
>> >.
>> You can also read the official blog post
>> <
>> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/07/20/announcing-the-wikimedia-cee-online-meeting-2021/
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>> announcing the event in order to get more information about it.
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>> Best regards,
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>> Kiril Simeonovski
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>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion
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>> Mike,
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>> I am appalled by your sneering condescension of Andreas.
>>
>> This is a researcher and journalist who has worked diligently for a
>> decade to identify, examine and expose the systematic failings which beset
>> Wikipedia. He generously offers practical soultions to problems the WMF is
>> unaware of.  It is unquestionable that he has knows more about and has done
>> more to improve the 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

[Peter Southwood]

Are these “facts of the matter” available for evidence focused rational 
consideration?

Cheers,

Peter

 

From: Mike Godwin [mailto:mnemo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 August 2021 02:30
To: Andreas Kolbe
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to 
check...

 

Andreas writes

 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:12 AM Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

But unless I am totally misreading you, your attitude sounds a lot like "Why 
should anyone care (or have cared) about Croatian and all these other languages 
spoken in some countries at the other end of the world?" If that does reflect 
your sentiment, then your mindset seems very much out of tune with WMF thought 
today.

 

The most generous assessment of this gloss is that you are, in fact, totally 
misreading me. The less generous assessments I leave to the rhetorically 
inclined reader.  

 

I am not sure you are actually interested in an answer here, but what I did do, 
for what it's worth, was to make sure that the WP Signpost and WP Kurier 
covered the story when it first broke, mention it repeatedly over the years in 
my writing on WO and in the Signpost, as well as in correspondence with 
journalists and academics, and submit the aforementioned idea to the WMF – to 
have experts review human rights topics' coverage in Wikipedia language 
versions that may be subject to undue political influence, and publicly report 
the results. I think that's about all you could have reasonably expected me to 
have done here.

 

I also think it is reasonable to expect you not to default to presuming things 
about the motives of WMF personnel in the absence of evidence. But that's 
me--I'm evidence-focused. 

 

The fact of the matter is that for about a decade, one of Wikipedia's top-50 
language versions promoted extremist content, with the WMF's full knowledge. 
That is Not A Good Thing, whether you work for the WMF or not, and you have 
given no discernible reason why what was done this year could not have been 
done years ago, when the WMF was first made aware of the situation.

 

Your characterization of "the fact of the matter" is morally confused. To wit, 
you want to imply that if some people at WMF knew something about what was 
happening in the Croatian Wikipedia, it follows that WMF institutionally 
decided, as a matter of policy, not to do what you wish they might have done. 
You do not have "the facts of the matter" that demonstrate such an 
institutional decision took place.

 

Once again, you default to moral condemnation, and it seems self-evident that 
you're doing so because it's cheaper and easier than understanding what might 
actually have happened.

 

Mike Godwin

 

 

 


 

 

Virus-free.  

 www.avg.com 

 

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