[Wikimedia-l] Upload for large files is broken

[Yann Forget]

Hi,
Since several weeks or months, upload for large files is essentially broken.
It is now nearly impossible to upload a file larger than 100 MB. All file
formats are affected (PDF, TIFF, videos, etc.). Upload even failed for a 77
MB TIFF file from Internet Archive.
See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292954 for details.
There has not been much feedback from developers.
However this is a serious issue and needs an urgent fix.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Maximum_file_size#Maximum_upload_size
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Maximum_file_size#%3E_100_MB

As consequence, a Server side upload was requested:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292769
The task is waiting for 3 weeks without action for a routine task which
should take only a very short time. I wonder if there are still developers
alive...

Instead of fancy features development, WMF budget should be used on
priority for maintaining the existing functionalities. Uploading large
files used to work very well, so why has no effort been done to fix this
bug?

Regards,
Yann Forget
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

All these discussions are interesting, but worthless. Because... we are 
obsolete, our money room will be larger soon, but there's no plan to go beyond 
3-4 wishlist ideas every year.

And that's the drama.

From: Bence Damokos 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 6:53 PM
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

Still, consider that if the spoken  feature is exposed to all users, it would 
raise awareness to more people when articles are not well formated for screen 
readers… And screen readers are not available in all languages, so the effort 
put into the speech synthesizer in new languages could benefit a wider userbase.

Best regards,
Bence

Le mer. 27 oct. 2021 à 16:18, Andy Mabbett 
mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>> a écrit :
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 13:59, Andreas Kolbe 
mailto:jayen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
>> > best use of our resources.
>>
>> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
>> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
>
> an excerpt from the marketing text

As a professional web manager (1994-2011), I had companies trying to
sell me such services regularly. And why wouldn't they, given the
number of websites they could sell it to, over, and over, and over,
again?

Equally consistently, people who /needed/ such assistance told us they
wanted it in the client, not the website; and that all they required
of the websites was to be web-standards-complaint (by which they meant
WCAG[1]).


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Bence Damokos]

Still, consider that if the spoken  feature is exposed to all users, it
would raise awareness to more people when articles are not well formated
for screen readers… And screen readers are not available in all languages,
so the effort put into the speech synthesizer in new languages could
benefit a wider userbase.

Best regards,
Bence

Le mer. 27 oct. 2021 à 16:18, Andy Mabbett  a
écrit :

> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 13:59, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
> >> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
> >> > best use of our resources.
> >>
> >> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
> >> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
> >
> > an excerpt from the marketing text
>
> As a professional web manager (1994-2011), I had companies trying to
> sell me such services regularly. And why wouldn't they, given the
> number of websites they could sell it to, over, and over, and over,
> again?
>
> Equally consistently, people who /needed/ such assistance told us they
> wanted it in the client, not the website; and that all they required
> of the websites was to be web-standards-complaint (by which they meant
> WCAG[1]).
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Research Showcase] Bridging knowledge gaps

[Janna Layton]

This event will start in about 30 minutes.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:53 AM Janna Layton  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The next Wikimedia Research Showcase will be on October 27, 16:30 UTC (9:30am
> PT/ 12:30pm ET/ 18:30pm CEST). The Wikimedia Foundation Research Team will
> present on knowledge gaps.
>
> Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Qg98EVmuI
>
> Speaker: Wikimedia Foundation Research Team
>
> Title: Automatic approaches to bridge knowledge gaps in Wikimedia projects
>
> Abstract: In order to advance knowledge equity as part of the Wikimedia
> Movement’s 2030 strategic direction, the Research team at the Wikimedia
> Foundation has been conducting research to “Address Knowledge Gaps” as one
> of its main programs. One core component of this program is to develop
> technologies to bridge knowledge gaps. In this talk, we give an overview on
> how we approach this task using tools from Machine Learning in four
> different contexts: section alignment in content translation, link
> recommendation in structured editing, image recommendation in multimedia
> knowledge gaps, and the equity of the recommendations themselves. We will
> present how these models can assist contributors in addressing knowledge
> gaps. Finally, we will discuss the impact of these models in applications
> deployed across Wikimedia projects supporting different Product initiatives
> at the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> More information:
>
> * Section alignment:
> meta:Research:Expanding_Wikipedia_articles_across_languages/Inter_language_approach#Section_Alignment
> 
>
> * Link recommendation:
> meta:Research:Link_recommendation_model_for_add-a-link_structured_task
> 
>
> * Image recommendation:
> meta:Research:Recommending_Images_to_Wikipedia_Articles
> 
>
> * Equity in recommendations:
> meta:Research:Prioritization_of_Wikipedia_Articles/Recommendation
> 
>
> --
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> Administrative Associate - Product & Technology
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
> --
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[Wikimedia-l] SWAN (헦trategic 헪ikimedia 헔ffiliates 헡etwork) October 31 Meeting

[Butch Bustria]

Dear Wikimedia Movement Colleagues,

SWAN Meeting is happening this weekend and you are encouraged to
participate.

What: SWAN (헦trategic 헪ikimedia 헔ffiliates 헡etwork October 31 Meeting
When: 31 October at 03:00 UTC and 18:30 UTC
Who: All interested Wikimedians regardless if part of an affiliate or not
How to participate: Go to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network ,
review the agenda items, sign up and use the meeting link posted on the
meta wiki page.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Bodhisattwa Mandal]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 14:39, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Have a modern look
>
> That would be the mobile site.
>
> Well, yes. Now look at Wikisource in your mobile or to Wikipedia in your
> desktip
>

Hopefully this will end soon for Wikisource to some extent. There is an
ongoing initiative by a few Indian Wikimedians to develop a Wikisource
mobile app for Android users. Here is the announcement

few days back.

Coming from the Wikisource project, which is built almost entirely by
volunteers and which still doesn't have a dedicated staff structure in WMF
for its development and progress, I agree with what Galder said. There are
few developments by Community Tech in recent years in some aspects of the
project, but it is also true that many of our bugs or feature requests are
there on Phabricator for five or six or more years for now. We still use
complex templates to proofread which drives new users away; Visual editor
still isn't equipped enough to support proofreading easily. For book
readers, the Wikisource interface is totally outdated and unattractive
compared to contemporary technologies. We still couldn't build an ecosystem
with other platforms to train and improve our OCR or to recognize
hand-written texts and old prints for many languages. Some languages still
don't have OCR support even now and depend on manual proofreading by typing
page by page, imagine how that can be for a book with hundreds or thousands
of pages. We still can't transcribe non-Western musical notation. The list
can go on. Like other sister projects which were historically neglected,
our community also tried to build from scratch and adapt and evolve as best
as they could but it would be totally unfair to expect them to find free
time to solve all problems themselves. Systemic and sustained support is
badly needed to advance our technology and that is true.

Regards,
Bodhisattwa
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 13:59, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

>> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
>> > best use of our resources.
>>
>> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
>> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
>
> an excerpt from the marketing text

As a professional web manager (1994-2011), I had companies trying to
sell me such services regularly. And why wouldn't they, given the
number of websites they could sell it to, over, and over, and over,
again?

Equally consistently, people who /needed/ such assistance told us they
wanted it in the client, not the website; and that all they required
of the websites was to be web-standards-complaint (by which they meant
WCAG[1]).


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Indaba 2021 Registration closes today

[Geoffrey Kateregga]

Attention Wikimedians!

Registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 closes today! There are only 50 more
tickets left for grabs.   Don’t miss out on being part of this historical
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If you have any queries, please reach out to  wikiuga...@gmail.com



Looking forward to connecting with you.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 12:19 PM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> > > Hear the articles
> >
> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
> > best use of our resources.
>
> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
>

Then again, even some newspapers, like Haaretz and the New York Times,
nowadays give you a "Listen to this article" option on their sites, and it
is, frankly, nice to have sometimes.

Haaretz uses Trinity Audio. This is an excerpt from the marketing text on
Trinity Audio's website:


*A publisher that isn’t excited or scared, is asleep at the wheel.*


*We’re living in exciting times of an exponential audio technology
revolution. Remember how not long ago people didn’t have mobile phones? Or
internet? In the blink of an eye it’s become impossible to imagine life
before the eruption of such technologies.  The rate of change is growing so
fast that in a matter of months it’ll be inconceivable for publishers to
offer an experience of reading alone. Just as offering print only solutions
is a thing of the past.*

Obviously, this is a self-serving marketing effort, but there's no question
that perceptions of what is the "normal" way of delivering or consuming
text is rapidly changing. YouTube now offers automatic
subtitling/transcript generation, for example. Machine translation is
becoming better and better and ever more commonplace. And we all know that
many times when a user comes across Wikipedia content, it is delivered by a
voice assistant in audio format.

The New York Times, meanwhile, has "a new app for audio journalism and
storytelling" in beta ...

https://www.nytimes.com/marketing/audio/beta?channel=oaudio

Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 09:57, geni  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
>  wrote:

> > Create visually interesting cartography
>
> I think open street map got there first.

No; OSM supply data, in order that reusers such as WMF projects can
create their own "visually interesting" map tiles. See, for example:

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T289101

> > Hear the articles
>
> Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
> best use of our resources.

I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
browser, whatever), not in the subject website.

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[Wikimedia-l] Get an exhibition booth Wiki Indaba 2021

[Geoffrey Kateregga]

Dear Wikimedians,


Wiki Indaba 2021 is happening in 10 days, from 5th to 7th of Septmber 2021
and we do have 10 booths available for Affiliates, Movement Groups, General
Wiki Projects and Conference Partners to exhibit at the virtual Wiki Indaba
2021 conference.

You can use the booth to get attendee traffic around the work that you are
doing and generate more traction and support for your work and local
communities! There are only limited spaces available and booths will be
assigned on a first come first serve basis.

The conference platform we are using is Airmeet
,
and it will give you access to the following features as an exhibitor.

   - Add a logo and banner image
   - A video link
   - Resources/Slides: You can add up to five items
   - Social media links to connect with attendees
   - Booth tables to meet directly with attendees.


Sign up here by 31st October
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021/Exhibition

Kind regards,
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

2021(e)ko urr. 27(a) 10:57 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (geni ):On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga

 wrote:

> Upload MP4 files



Try Handbrake.No, I want to use Commons. I don't need external software to upload texts or images.



> Have a modern look



That would be the mobile site.Well, yes. Now look at Wikisource in your mobile or to Wikipedia in your desktip



> Create visually interesting cartography



I think open street map got there first.And we still use maps in our Encyclopedia. 



> Hear the articles



Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the

best use of our resources.We want to give knowledge to everyone in the world. Also those without screen readers or whose languages are not currently supported.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

[geni]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
 wrote:
> Upload MP4 files

Try Handbrake.

> Have a modern look

That would be the mobile site.

> Create visually interesting cartography

I think open street map got there first.

> Hear the articles

Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
best use of our resources.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Locking mailing list threads

[Asaf Bartov]

Good to know, thank you!

   A.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:01 AM Kunal Mehta  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 10/26/21 4:41 PM, Risker wrote:
> > It is unfortunate that the software doesn't permit locking of threads.
>
> It does :) A list admin can set a header filter of "Subject" matching
> whatever thread's subject, and choose either to hold for moderation,
> discard (no notification), or reject (with notification) all emails that
> match.
>
> HTH,
> -- Kunal
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Manavpreet Kaur's role in AffCom's issues

[Isaac Olatunde]

Perhaps the list admins should consider moderating the OP? Since this
thread couldn't be locked?

Regards

Isaac

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021, 00:58 Nathan,  wrote:

> It doesn't? Killing threads used to be a regular event.
>
> Wild that all of this appears to be over a disputed 100 euro payment.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:41 PM Risker  wrote:
>
>> I think at this point it is time to take this matter off this mailing
>> list.  I think we have all learned more than we ever expected to know about
>> the Wikimedia Slovakia user group.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that the software doesn't permit locking of threads.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
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[Wikimedia-l] Locking mailing list threads

[Kunal Mehta]

Hi,

On 10/26/21 4:41 PM, Risker wrote:

It is unfortunate that the software doesn't permit locking of threads.


It does :) A list admin can set a header filter of "Subject" matching 
whatever thread's subject, and choose either to hold for moderation, 
discard (no notification), or reject (with notification) all emails that 
match.


HTH,
-- Kunal
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