Thank you Jackie for the update. I hope (and assume) that you will be able to include this in a list of decisions to take by the Elections Committee before the next selection process(es). The level of expected transparency might be a useful standard decision item anyway?
Warmly, Lodewijk On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 3:03 PM Jackie Koerner <jkoer...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for discussing this topic. It is clear the publication of this > information is important to some community members. The Elections Committee > and Board Selection Task Force approved publishing a complete list of > which affiliate organizations voted in a table > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Affiliate_Organization_Participation> > . > > Best, > > > Jackie > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 11:45 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Of course it's like that Ilario,sometimes some usergroups are >> "userpersons". and as person involved in the previous ASBS election I >> politely hinted that aspect as much as possible in the past. Also, >> sometimes even some chapters are mostly few key persons when relationship >> with WMF is involved, but it's easier to start from UGs to handle the issue. >> >> i had some general idea of what you are supposed to facilitate if you >> want real transparency in these processes and I felt that was not fully >> there. Instead of building on previous know-how, the process was restarting >> again and that do not get great functionality in WMF, usually. It's like >> knowing for sure that these sort of mails would have happened at the end. >> >> I had no time to look carefully, but that was kinda of a feeling and as a >> result, despite being a first contact and having a decent know-how, I >> decided not to engage the affiliate in the process. The affiliate I >> represent is small and fragmented and lacks a strong identity yet, I know >> for sure that getting to a meaningful ranking would have taken a lot of >> effort and in May and June I simply had no time. Or it would have resulted >> in me pushing my ideas in a way or another, and that was not correct. Like, >> many people are ns-0 users and don't now names, so they trust your side of >> the story. >> >> So I decided to skip it. I was asked a contact for the first step and >> replied by mail that in May I had no time to even start a thread on meta >> about deciding whom to select (it would have been me, probably, but I did >> not feel it was correct). >> >> my choice was either focusing properly as a UG on the WIkisummit >> application or that, and I did at least properly the first one. I could >> have taken part in the process probably representing 90% myself, nobody >> would have noticed. >> >> Alessandro >> >> Il sabato 23 luglio 2022 17:59:01 CEST, Ilario Valdelli < >> valde...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> >> I think that there is a very sensible point here. >> >> Sometimes behind some usergroups there is not a specific community but >> only few people and sometimes some usergroups are "userpersons". >> >> Being more transparent helps to demonstrate that the whole process has >> been conducted appropriately but also to have an overview that affiliates >> have voted really on what their community proposed. >> >> Kind regards >> >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 3:28 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am disturbed to see some community members blithely dismissing the need >> to protect the well-being of potentially vulnerable community members, >> >> >> This is not some functionary volunteer role, nor is it a scholarship to >> attend some event. The affiliate and the members of the Board of Trustees >> are both very public facing aspects, when a person is on the Board of >> Trustees their identity is public >> https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/ . It is obvious that a >> truly vulnerable person would not even put themselves into a BOT >> position. It's important for members of the community to know who their >> affiliate chose to represent them because it's a reflection of that >> community. I know some affiliates actually didnt consult their communities >> for input into the decision process before the fact so knowing after the >> fact is at least pretending to be transparent in the voting. >> >> >> >> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 at 06:01, Benjamin Lees <emufarm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I don't think there's anything blithe in pointing out that an >> after-the-fact promise of secrecy serves no one. Affiliates had to decide >> whether to vote without knowing whether the list would be published (but >> hopefully realizing that the username of their voter would be published, >> although I'm not sure if this was made clear). The main effect of post-hoc >> secrecy here would be to sow confusion and set up unrealistic expectations >> about future votes; in the last affiliate-selected board seat process, not >> only was the list of voting affiliates published, but *their individual >> votes were as well*: < >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Asbs_presentation_matches_with_stv_py_results.pdf>, >> and for the reasons Lodewijk describes, we might well wish to return to >> such full transparency in the future. >> >> If a decision either way had been made and communicated beforehand, >> affiliate voters could have made an informed decision, but as with most of >> the rules for this election, it was announced in the middle of the >> election, rather than in the many months before it. In any event, I agree >> with SJ that this is a decision to be made by the elections committee, not >> WMF staff. >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:45 PM Robert Fernandez <wikigamal...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I am disturbed to see some community members blithely dismissing the need >> to protect the well-being of potentially vulnerable community members, >> especially in a community that usually prides itself on the ability to >> participate anonymously. >> >> That said, perhaps we could publish the names of participating affiliates >> who affirm the wish to be named publicly. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/LNXPN2Z5TY35SJOV6MOLB7ASOQL57GGF/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DNDMKF4NKNDFEKC5FFHXWB24FISK4NCA/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> GN. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/27TMCRTG33NLTXSSN4P5JZFVX7OEEIFS/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Ilario Valdelli >> Wikimedia CH >> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >> Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> >> Skype: valdelli >> Tel: +41764821371 >> http://www.wikimedia.ch >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/PQFYW2AOEK2UZFTZJFAIOBY43JVVOZT4/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RRM6MMRSOECNWA7SHLMOQJEAPS6BXV5X/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/B624OSZGZKD3ETPKLPMEWHI65EZY4WFP/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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