[Wikimedia-l] Re: ChatGPT and Wikipedia

2022-12-18 Thread Erik Moeller 
On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:55 AM Anders Wennersten
 wrote:
> ChatGPT is now making headlines more or less every day  and I perceive
> them to try to position themself  av the "next" google.

I suspect OpenAI will continue to focus on generative applications
(images, code, text for purposes such as copywriting, eventually
music/video) and won't attempt to compete with Google directly, but
we'll see. Currently GPT-3.5 (which ChatGPT is based on) is very prone
to generating nonsensical answers, citations to works that don't
exist, etc. But it is pretty cool if you keep its limitations in
mind--for example, it's quite good at bootstrapping small scripts in
various programming languages (with mistakes and idiosyncrasies).

Google has one of the largest AI research programs on the planet, they
just are extremely conservative about letting anyone try their models
(due to reputational concerns, e.g., that generative AI will spit out
racist output within about 30 seconds of people poking its
guardrails). This blog post from September is instructive about the
direction they're taking with what's called retrieval-augmented
generation; see the paper linked from the post for details:

https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents (DeepMind
is part of Google)

That is likely to yield significantly more accurate answers than what
ChatGPT is doing, and is difficult to replicate for folks like OpenAI
without being dependent on the search APIs of big search companies.
It's worth noting that Google has also started to incorporate language
model tooling into how it's presenting search results (e.g.,
summarizing or highlighting different parts of a website to make the
result snippet more useful).

A retrieval-augmented approach that leverages Wikidata could IMO be
quite powerful and could be a useful research program for Wikimedia to
pursue, be it independently or in partnership with others. The
resulting technology should of course be fully open source.

Querying Wikidata via SPARQL is currently still a bit of wizardry (and
the query builder is extremely limited). To pick a completely random
example not at all inspired by current events, if I wanted to see a
list of journalists with Mastodon accounts & a picture, I currently
have to do this:

SELECT DISTINCT ?personLabel ?mastodonName ?pic
WHERE {
  ?person wdt:P4033 ?mastodonName ;
wdt:P106 ?occupation .
  OPTIONAL { ?person wdt:P18 ?pic . }
  ?occupation wdt:P279* wd:Q1930187 .
   SERVICE wikibase:label {
 bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en"
   }
}

Make a small mistake (a curly brace missing) and you'll get a red
error message. Forgot the * after wdt:P279? A different response set
in ways that are difficult to spot or reason about.

Why can't I type "list of journalists with their picture and Mastodon
account" as a natural language query? (You can try it in ChatGPT and
it'll get you started, but it'll generate nonsense P/Q numbers.) If
such queries could be produced reliably, it could be a very useful
tool for readers as well.

Warmly,
Erik
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice

2022-12-18 Thread Peter Southwood 
You speak for yourself.
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice

Here's a proposition for the WMF. 

You can keep the banners as big and as long as you want, but in return you
must sponsor the next Arch Missions to back contents from top 10 Wikipedias
(English, Japanese, Russian, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Chinese,
Arabic, Portuguese) to Moon & beyond. Editors do not get paid from spending
so much time on Wikipedia, but at least they'll all derive some reward from
it.

Context of Arch Mission:
https://www.space.com/40598-lunar-library-wikipedia-astrobotic-moon-mission.
html
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice

2022-12-18 Thread Samuel Klein 
David - include a screenshot next time?  I haven't seen that banner
design.  I browse logged-out on Android, and have been seeing a close or X
at the top for large banners, or both (Close X) at the bottom of medium
ones.  Is there a way to see all current banners + how they look in various
emulators?  Perhaps https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_banners could
use an update.

I am curious about the use + impact of anything over a single screen of
banner, and would love to read more about how that's evaluated; it seems
hard to use both if I want to give and if I do not.  And if banners have
unique names anywhere, it would be good for this to be findable by readers
to make these conversations easier // more reproducible  S

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM David Gerard  wrote:

> You put the dismissal button *two screens away* from where the user is.
>
> You're choosing to make the banner hard to dismiss.
>
> Look, we're trying to assume good faith here, but you're not making it
> easy with the track record of observed behaviour.
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 at 19:14, Samuel Patton  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, I work in online fundraising and I'd like to provide some
> clarification on this particular mobile fundraising banner. There are
> several options to dismiss the banner. There is a "no thanks" option at the
> top of the banner. A user can also scroll down to see the article without
> needing to click on the banner at all.
> >
> > I appreciate the feedback on ways to make it simpler for readers to
> reach their article and find what they're looking for. We'll line up some
> close option tests to try over this weekend.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 2:05 PM Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's a proposition for the WMF.
> >>
> >> You can keep the banners as big and as long as you want, but in return
> you must sponsor the next Arch Missions to back contents from top 10
> Wikipedias (English, Japanese, Russian, French, German, Spanish, Italian,
> Chinese, Arabic, Portuguese) to Moon & beyond. Editors do not get paid from
> spending so much time on Wikipedia, but at least they'll all derive some
> reward from it.
> >>
> >> Context of Arch Mission:
> >>
> https://www.space.com/40598-lunar-library-wikipedia-astrobotic-moon-mission.html
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> >
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> > Sam Patton (he/him)
> >
> > Senior Manager, Online Fundraising
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Obnoxious fundraisers again: Undismissable notice

2022-12-18 Thread Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l 
Because of that, the proposition still stands, in which anyone can re-post if 
another village pump RfC is ever needed.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 2023 Wikimedia Youth Conference: Engagement Survey

2022-12-18 Thread Wiki Vibrance 
Hi everyone,

We would like to remind to you about the survey we shared. Help us to share
with your community members.

Thank you in anticipation.

Best regards,
James Popoola
On behalf of the WikiVibrance Core Team

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 11:04, Wiki Vibrance  wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> WikiVibrance 
> is planning to organize a Wikimedia Youth Conference in 2023 in Alicante,
> Spain.[1]
>
> We are conducting an engagement survey to understand how we can design
> relevant programs for in-person participation. The survey output will help
> in knowing more about the needs of the youth in the movement and those
> interested in youth development.
>
> Please fill in the survey on or before January 20, 2023 and help us share
> in communities you belong to. The link to the survey is here
> 
> .[2]
>
> We can’t wait to receive your response.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> James Popoola
>
> On behalf of the WikiVibrance Core Team
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_WikiVibrance_Project
> [2]
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDLubw11lmixRYgA7SRMyu8_IUnyALy6_en0TRJm0vU3BF4w/viewform
>
>
>
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