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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:26:36 +0300
From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com
To: Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to
'read-only' mode
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Oh Federico (or should I use Nemo as the name? :) ),
Seemingly you almost grasped (groked) what I'm talking about and that
almost is caused by my problems in English (it's not my native language
and I suffer from lack of practice :( ).
So we need some more clarification and let me start from the bottom up (as
of the text of your mail):
that's *the* mailing list for all the internal discussions of the board?
If it's public, then these is indeed higher transparency than in most
chapters (not that this is necessarily a good thing);
Definitely NO, while we think (not only dream) about that level of
transparency. As I'm one of the believers, that this is necessarily a good
thing, I dared even to propose that several times to Board members.
But from the very beginning of WMUA the Board has separate mailing list
(without archive, what is significant in some situations like change of
Board members) and in addition they build Board' wikisite which is closed
as well (only AC members ver granted by access - after long struggle so as
sorta gifted compromise, while it was never accepted by the community).
So said mailing list they ...occupy only for Urbi et orbi purposes or it
will be more exact to say only for urbi (strictly confidential for WMUA).
on the other hand it does not replace an all-members discussion space.
YES it does replace or, to be more exact, all-members discussion space is
converted to Board announcement place (all others but AC is in sit down
and listen mode strictly).
better question is: do the member of the chapter have a suitable and
working place where to discuss among themselves to carry out their duties
and rights as members of the chapter
Since said ruling - not in the mailing list(s), while community Portal
survived (yet? the administrators there are ...surprise - Board and AC
members as well). As we all know discussions on the wiki (like Portals,
Village pumps etc.) doesn't eliminate the need of mailing list.
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Pavlo Shevelo, 18/08/2013 16:36:
As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known,
when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate?
Sorry, but I think these questions are flawed. A better question is: do
the member of the chapter have a suitable and working place where to
discuss among themselves to carry out their duties and rights as members
of
the chapters, as defined by the bylaws?
(One is not always easy to set up.)
If anybody will be interested in context (bigger picture etc.) that is
why
it was done so (including formal and real causes motivations), this
person will have to go deep into struggle:
* for openness ('clearness') of the WMUA Board;
* against unethical (and so, in that meaning immoral) behaviour of some
of WMUA Board members
* ...etc.
So that's *the* mailing list for all the internal discussions of the
board? If it's public, then these is indeed higher transparency than in
most chapters (not that this is necessarily a good thing); on the other
hand it does not replace an all-members discussion space.
Nemo
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