[Wikimedia-l] Toxic vs Non-toxic (Re: Fram en.wp office yearlock block)

[Richard Ames]

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 09:32, Nathan  wrote:

>
> Yes, the environment is full of toxic people. This has always been true,
> and yet it exists.
>

 Most people are non toxic  in my city and in Wikipedia.  Nathan's
point is correct - it won't change and WMF can't fix it.

Richard.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] August 2018 "Community Metrics and Activities Meeting"

[Richard Ames]

I think Rupert has a point.   I would consider getting up at 5AM for a
general conversation but not to be bored.

More loose, fun would be good.   I can't do the end of this month - will be
travelling.

Cheers, Richard.

On Monday, 6 August 2018, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> pine, i find the lack of feedback a pity, so let me give at least my
> personal impression. "activities and metrics" sounded bureaucratic, and it
> sounded like work, not rewarding. the opposite of fun. not sure if a
> regular meetup would work better? a hangout? same time all the time. no
> matter how many persons are there, maybe once a month? one would need to
> think a little about the fun though.
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Given the lack of interest and lack of suggestions, I'm going to cancel
> the
> > meeting. However, if other people would like to be bold in organizing a
> > meeting like this, they are welcome to do so.
> >
> > I would like to encourage interpersonal and social connections among
> > good-faith Wikimedia content contributors and grassroots project
> > organizers, and I'd be glad to see suggestions and initiatives which do
> > this.
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > The number of people who have participated in the Doodle poll is very
> > low.
> > > Before I give up on the idea of having a community metrics and
> activities
> > > meeting, would anyone like to make a suggestion about how a meeting
> like
> > > this could be more interesting or useful?
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:11 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am attempting this one more time, with more advance notice and some
> > >> alterations to the agenda.
> > >>
> > >> Here is a Doodle poll with options for scheduling:
> > >> https://doodle.com/poll/iycrgia2wqune63g.
> > >>
> > >> I have created a page on Meta where people who want to include an
> agenda
> > >> item can do so: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> > >> i/Community_Metrics_and_Activities_Meeting
> > >>
> > >> This is an experiment. I hope that a meeting like this can facilitate
> > and
> > >> nurture international connections, and I hope that people will be
> > >> interested enough to participate.
> > >>
> > >> The meeting platform will be Zoom .
> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Volunteering and Appreciation (was: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF)

[Richard Ames]

Micru,

I think a lot of us care.  I wish you well!

Some time ago I tried to put some thoughts around volunteering at the WMF.
I thought it needed to be better planed / managed.

I could not get enough interest to progress the conversation.

You may wish to read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Management
and the talk page thereof.

Regards, Richard.

On 10 June 2018 at 06:25, David Cuenca Tudela  wrote:

> Aubrey,
>
> You speak so much truth in your words that I'm feeling overwhelmed right
>


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

[Richard Ames]

I like it! as it doesn't cover up the article I came to read.  Contrary to
Liam, it worked well for me in Linux/Firefox and Linux/Chrome.

Regards, Richard.

On 15 November 2017 at 09:12, Samuel Patton  wrote:

> Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a
> heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official
> launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday,
> November 28.
>
> TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's
> worth iteration and improvement.
>
> Here's a link to the banner:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_
> right10=US=1
> 
> If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be
> more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks
> promising enough to keep testing.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The PR industry has a lot to answer for (What make me happy)

[Richard Ames]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/15/journalism-faces-a-crisis-worldwide-we-might-be-entering-a-new-dark-age?utm_source=esp_medium=Email_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout_term=221852=9147979=ema_632

On 16 April 2017 at 07:09, Richard Ames <rich...@ames.id.au> wrote:

> With all the paid editing issues we see; this caused me to smile and laugh 
> (and cry):
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/comment/-gvl21i.html
>
> Regards, Richard.
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] The PR industry has a lot to answer for (What make me happy)

[Richard Ames]

With all the paid editing issues we see; this caused me to smile and
laugh (and cry):

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/-gvl21i.html

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[Wikimedia-l] Moderation duties

[Richard Ames]

I've decided to relieve myself of the moderator job.

The current moderators are listed at the bottom of the listinfo page at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Best wishes, Richard.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free culture, Mission to empower, and Community Process Steering Committee

[Richard Ames]

Please don't answer these questions (at least to the list).

James - I have put you on moderation.  Please desist with direct questions
to other list members and avoid the use of the personal pronoun 'you'.
Please focus on the purpose of this list --- as listed in the links at the
bottom of every message.

Please address any discussion to the wikimedia-l-owner address (above).

Regards, Richard.

On 3 February 2017 at 15:20, James Salsman  wrote:

> Thyge, Craig, Dan, Rogol, Max, Neil, Mike, Ryan, Pete, Yair, and
> Leigh, here are some questions


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Richard Ames]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Christophe Henner 
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?
To: "Wikimania General List, (open subscription)"



My bad I forgot it already is on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Statements/Chapter_chairs_statement:_Wikimania_needs_to_be_arranged_every_year

Le 9 juil. 2016 4:50 AM, "Pine W"  a écrit :

Thanks Christophe. I, for one, have had difficulty figuring out what
is going on with Wikimania in regards to varying decisions in
different parts of WMF and the community, so I look forward to the
clarifications.

Personally I am currently neutral on the decision of whether to have
annual Wikimanias, or alternate Wikimanias with years in which there
is emphasis on national or regional conferences. My hunch is that some
research about costs and benefits is needed so that we have reliable
data about a variety of scenarios before making a decision.

Thanks again for working on this.

To the board chairs: I would be interested in seeing that letter. In
the spirit of transparency, would you please publish it on Meta? As
you know I am an advocate for much more transparency from WMF, and I
would like for the affiliates to also to be transparent about
governance matters such as this one.

Thanks,

Pine



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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Richard Ames]

Forwarded as germane to current conversation on wikimedia-l

-- Forwarded message --
From: Christophe Henner 
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?
To: "Wikimania General List, (open subscription)"



Hi everyone,

The same question was raised to the board a few days ago by chairs of
Wikimedia organizations asking Foundation's board to make sure there's
a comprehensive decision on this very topic.

The chairs letter wasn't public, I let them share it on meta or here
if they want to :)

First step, in my opinion, is to set expectations and define the scope
(in the role of the event but also in the ressources (both human and
financial) we commit to the event.

Katherine is working with the staff to provide groundings.

Here is the answer I provided them with.



Hi chairs!

First of all, thank you with the email, the feedback is clearly useful
and raises interesting point.

Now, the Wikimania discussion definitly is on the table. Living by
what we said during Wikimania, we, as WMF, will make sure we end up
with a clear answer to your questions but also to the different points
you raise.

Wikimania is an important time in our movement, but as you said it
also comes with costs and challenges that we have to adress. Katherine
is going to meet in the coming days with the staff in charge of that
topic to start that discussion within WMF and provide groundings for a
comprehensive decision.

We will try to be as diligent as possible on that topic, but I would
ask you to keep in mind that as we're in a transition phase and that
might take a little more time than you could expect.

Again thank you for your email, I love the fact that he raises issues
but also includes the challenges we have to take care of :)

We'll get back to you as soon as possible to continue that discussion.

Have all a really great day / night :)

Christophe

While I concur with Coren’s conclusion, I’ll try to neutrally report
on the events at Wikimania which led to this result. :)

Full disclosure: I’m a fan of Wikimania being yearly, and was asked to
serve on the Wikimania Committee after Esino Lario. I was also the
main moderator of the Wikimania 2016 session on the “Future of
Wikimania.” These views are my own, and not anything official from the
committee.

Background: Many folks (I’d say a majority) who I talked to in Esino
Lario early in the conference thought that the decision to do
Wikimania every other year was a done deal, as a result of the IdeaLab
consultation. I told them that might not necessarily be so. The vote
was close, not particularly widely known, and we could still be heard.
Chris Schilling from the WMF, who oversaw the Idealab consultation,
sought me out specifically at the start of the conference and to my
delight, said that the consultation was “just another data point,” and
that it was by no means the final word on things. Obviously, this was
good news to people who were interested in keeping a yearly Wikimania.

I was scheduled to moderate the “Future of Wikimania” discussion
session [1] at the very end of the conference, and encouraged people
to let their views be heard. It was under these conditions that we
entered into the final discussion room and I asked Chris Schilling to
give an opening statement to the room. Most people were happy to hear
him say that it was “just another data point.” During the discussion,
there was overwhelming support to keep Wikimania going every year,
which is not a surprise considering this was *at* Wikimania. I
encourage folks to peruse the Etherpad notes, which are quite
extensive and expertly done by several folks there.

Some views I’d highlight:
- Having yearly Wikimania is important to keep the momentum of the
movement going, according to many
- A case for cancelling yearly Wikimania was to encourage/fund
regional meetups. However, there is no guarantee that those regional
meetups would actually take place, or that WMF would necessarily take
the money saved from Wikimania to fund them. Some folks from Asia
specifically said that there is weaker linguistic, cultural and
geographic synergy for an “Asian” conference like there is in Europe
and Africa, which is why it has been hard to do one.
- One person noted that one trip to Wikimania served the same role as
several international trips to get the same benefit from meeting other
Wikimedians/developers, so there are indeed cost efficiencies in
having a central conference.

Thanks.

[1] https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discussions/The_future_of_Wikimania
[2] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Wikimania2016-discussion7b




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

[Richard Ames]

Gregory -

Thanks for the great response!

Richard.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Thank you to everyone for your questions and thoughts regarding the Wikimedia 
> Foundation's Form 990.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

[Richard Ames]

Also please consider adding times to the minutes.

The meeting opening time was there it would be useful to know the
times when people join and leave the meeting, when the meeting goes
into 'executive session' and when the meeting closes.

Regards, Richard.


On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Brill Lyle  wrote:
> Also, a request:
>
> Please add:


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Richard Ames]

Seems a good guide:

https://www.governanceinstitute.com.au/media/428696/gov-inst_bestpracticeminutes_2014.pdf

R/R

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

[Richard Ames]

Please see:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail/email-service-providers-send-tofrom-yahoo-mail-addresses-sln24016.html

for the explanation of the issue

Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

[Richard Ames]

See: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Management#References

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Brion Vibber  wrote:
> Two distinct issues, I think:

>
> 2) about support for volunteers to get stuff done effectively:


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on WMF-Community dynamics

[Richard Ames]

Chris and all,

We need to define what communities we are talking about.  I put
together a page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Management
trying to define some of this.

The references on the page are worth reading (I think the page and
attached talk page are also

Richard.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 2:44 AM, Chris Keating
 wrote:
> I've put some of my thoughts about the dynamics of the WMF-Community
> relationship into an essay on Meta, entitled "Why do They always get It
> wrong?"
>
> I thought I'd share it here. Hope it's useful!
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:The_Land/Why_do_They_always_do_It_wrong
>
> (It's not specifically addressed at any of the current challenges the
> movement faces, though as it happens I first started thinking about writing
> this when I was making notes for conversations with various people
> explaining why I thought Arnnon Geshuri would need to resign).
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
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[Wikimedia-l] Please change the subject when replying to Digests....

[Richard Ames]

and if another writer makes the mistake --- Please try to correct it.

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Over-opinionated

[Richard Ames]

Yes, please slow down the conversation and reduce the alarmist tones 

Regards, Richard (one of your moderators)

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:16 PM, billinghurst  wrote:
> The whole process of James sacking from and by the Board is disturbing
> to many of us. At this point there are many who have ... much to say.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Mailing List Barnstar? (for Pine?)

[Richard Ames]

And he is well under the soft limit!
https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html

Happy New Year, Richard.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> Just now I was talking to User:Pine on-wiki and I informed him that I
> thoroughly enjoyed some of his posts on this mailing list.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

[Richard Ames]

This thread (subject) looks like it could bring lots of different thoughts,
ideas, suggestions, etc.

Please (Please, Please) --- if your message is mainly on a new topic /
thought / etc; Send a new message, with a new subject line.

Thank you, Richard.
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[Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Richard Ames]

If anybody posts another message  or reply with the subject "(no
subject)"... they go on moderation for at least a week.

Richard.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Richard Ames]

I was venting and I had had a drink or two.  I think any reasonable
correspondent can change the subject line.

So I was sort of serious,

Richard.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Austin Hair <adh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't speak for him, but I think Richard was venting more than
> making a serious threat. Assuming this is indeed unintentional, nobody
> has anything to worry about.
>
> Austin
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM, K. Peachey <p858sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think that is a tad inappropriate, when it's been pointed out it's most
> > likely a bug in gmail causing it.
> >
> > You can always create a filter in your email client of choosing if you
> > don't want to see what, the two(?) threads that are active atm.
> >
> > On 4 December 2015 at 19:55, Richard Ames <rich...@ames.id.au> wrote:
> >
> >> If anybody posts another message  or reply with the subject "(no
> >> subject)"... they go on moderation for at least a week.
> >>
> >> Richard.
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l subject line filtering

[Richard Ames]

I have added filters to catch these messages as suggested in:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120314

Regards, Richard.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> On Friday, 4 December 2015, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> > Possibly now is the time to draw a line under this conversation,
>
>
> Perhaps it should be called a "subject line"? :-)
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[Wikimedia-l] A moderator's Pleas

[Richard Ames]

All -

Please use a new subject line when introducing a new topic.  Please start
the thread with a new message (not a reply) to
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

More frequent posters: please consider the soft limit of 30 posts per
month... see: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

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Please drop this thread / subject.  Concentrate on issues not people.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> FWIW, Foundation staff members have told me more than once that they don't
> entirely understand WMF's org chart.
>
> My understanding is that the org chart is missing important pieces like
> consultants.



And volunteers!   :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers

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Please slow this conversation down and do not personalise it.

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[Wikimedia-l] Mailing list maintenance

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the mailing list will be off-line (all Wikimedia mailing lists) for up to 3
hours starting at Friday, September 18, 2015 at 2:00:00 PM UTC

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[Wikimedia-l] Mailing list may be offline for up to 4 hours

[Richard Ames]

"We have scheduled an upgrade of mailman (https://lists.wikimedia.org) for:

Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 2:00:00 PM UTC ( 7:00 AM PDT, 16:00 CEST)

The scheduled mainteance window is 4 hours (or less).

During this time please expect all the mailing lists (web interface
and email) to be down."

Full details at:
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[Wikimedia-l] Move on to another subject.... (was: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising)

[Richard Ames]

I think it is time to move on to another subject so lets consider this
one closed.

Regards, Richard (one of your moderators)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities"

[Richard Ames]

This is covered in depth at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody

Good job to wikimedians and the WMF!

Regards, Richard.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Matt Campbell  wrote:

> ICYMI...
>
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wikipedia-rocked-by-rogue-editors-blackmail-scam-targeting-small-businesses-and-celebrities-10481993.html
>
> Guess no organization can be completely safe vs. a few bad actors
> exploiting their positions of trust in it.  But with so many people acting
> as voluntary editors, it's hard to see how the WF can protect itself from
> exposure when stuff like this happens.  I mean, some of the victims are
> sure to sue the WF, since where there's money and a criminal offense,
> there's usually lawsuits.  But worse than that is the black eye it gives
> the WF.
>
> No winners in this mess.  Sad day all around.
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[Wikimedia-l] Announcements - a note from one of your moderators.

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Please send announcements to the *WikimediaAnnounce-l *list; they will be
automatically sent to to this list.

See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Wikimedia_Announce for
guidelines as to what is appropriate.

Discussions based on the announcements should be posted here.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

[Richard Ames]

See:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l and

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

and their talk pages.

Regards, Richard.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 snip
 Who's ready to take that first step? I'd be happy to engage in
 deliberations around this, but I don't have a specific proposal in mind to
 start things off.

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[Wikimedia-l] March is WikiWomen's History Month

[Richard Ames]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:March is WikiWomen's History Month
Date:   Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:12:48 -0800
From:   Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org

Hello! Can you please forward the following message to your mailing list
- thank you!

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Hi everyone!

The 4th annual WikiWomen's History Month is in March, coinciding with
Women's History Month. This event is cross-cultural, international, and
multi-lingual.

Please start planning your events (offline and online) to contribute
content to Wikipedia and related Wikimedia websites about women's
history! You can post your events and find resources on how to implement
edit-a-thons and workshops here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month

Any questions just let me know!

I look forward to your participation!

Sarah






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Creation of the Volunteer Supporters Network

[Richard Ames]

Please see my comment / question at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Volunteer_Supporters_Network

Regards, Richard.

On 27/11/14 20:09, Dirk Franke wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 many Wikimedia organizations have their own programs or initiatives
 dedicated to volunteer/community support as well as their respective people
 in charge of this key activity. We have people who are primarily active
 themselves but who primarily support and help others, the volunteers in the
 Wikimedia projects and the Wikimedia movement, being active.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odder on moderation?!

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On 12/08/14 20:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?

Yes.
 
 I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to
 the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having
 been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to
 queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails
 (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
 

I approved one.  I discarded one as it had no new content.

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Richard Ames]

Russavia -

If you are serious about this allegation - go to the police.

I have placed your address on moderation.

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[Wikimedia-l] Possible additions to the moderation guidelines being discussed

[Richard Ames]

Possible additions to the moderation guidelines are being discussed at:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Regards, Richard.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

[Richard Ames]

On 14/07/14 17:25, Pine W wrote:

Hi community members,



snip


Topics of possible discussion regarding our relationship with WMF:

1. Strategic options, such as finding alternative organizations to WMF for
hosting Wikimedia sites or creating a new hosting organization that is
aligned with community values.


This idea would split the community to the disadvantage of both 'halves'.

I suspect the majority of editors (and certainly readers) have no idea 
about these difficulties between the foundation and its volunteers.


I do think the WMF should be paying attention!

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

[Richard Ames]

Fæ an Theo have made some good points  please have a look at the 
talk page of the guidelines and suggest what may be moved to the 
guidelines themselves or BB possible more discussion needed.


Richard.

On 13/07/14 00:16, Theo10011 wrote:

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote:


I think it is very difficult to have hard 'rules'. The guidelines have
been published and are referred to in the footer of each messages sent from
this list.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines



Ya, those are far from established or instructive in cases of moderator
involvement. I started those[1], and even I don't agree with the current
draft. They weren't written for Foundation-l/Wikimedia-l necessarily,
originally proposed on a private, now defunct list and edited by a small
minority from there. To the best of my recollection, there was no vetting
by a larger community at the time.

That page had a dedicated section about moderation[2], and suggested
practices that were removed all together - with guidelines to warn before
any moderator action, along with a recourse in case of disputes. A somewhat
similar approach as admin actions. I suppose they could still be used as a
starting point, if there is a need to have these written down.

-Theo

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mailing_lists/Guidelinesaction=history
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mailing_lists/Guidelinesoldid=3544960





Regards, Richard.


On 11/07/14 20:28, Fæ wrote:


Hi,

I would like to propose that this list have a published process for
post moderation, banning and appeals. Perhaps a page on meta would be
a good way to propose and discuss a policy? I would be happy to kick
off a draft.

This list has a defined scope at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l which
explains who the 3 list admins are, but no more than that. There is no
system of appeals, no expected time limits on bans or moderation, nor
an explanation of the 30 posts per month behavioural norm that
sometimes applies to this list. Neither is there any explanation of
what is expected of list admins, such as whether there is an
obligation to explain to someone who finds themselves subject to
moderation or a ban, as to why this has happened and what they ought
to do in order to become un-banned or un-moderated.

I believe this would help list users better understand what is
expected of them when they post here and it may give an opportunity to
review the transparency of list administration, such as the option of
publishing a list of active moderated accounts and possibly a list of
indefinitely banned accounts where these were for behaviour on the
list (as opposed to content-free spamming etc.)

I see no down side to explaining policy as openly as possible. Thoughts?

Fae



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[Wikimedia-l] WMF's volunteers

[Richard Ames]

Since the brouhaha of May 2013 I've been thinking the relationship 
between the foundation and it's volunteers. I have assembled some 
references and thoughts at: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ariconte/Volunteer_Management


I would welcome edits and/or talk page contributions.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Do Over

[Richard Ames]

On 13/07/14 15:07, Milos Rancic wrote:

On Jul 13, 2014 4:20 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:


Please, let us drop this subject.

Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

[Richard Ames]

I think it is very difficult to have hard 'rules'. The guidelines have 
been published and are referred to in the footer of each messages sent 
from this list.


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

I have added a link to these to the list info page at 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l and will transfer it to the 
list info page if there is no objection.


Regards, Richard.

On 11/07/14 20:28, Fæ wrote:

Hi,

I would like to propose that this list have a published process for
post moderation, banning and appeals. Perhaps a page on meta would be
a good way to propose and discuss a policy? I would be happy to kick
off a draft.

This list has a defined scope at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l which
explains who the 3 list admins are, but no more than that. There is no
system of appeals, no expected time limits on bans or moderation, nor
an explanation of the 30 posts per month behavioural norm that
sometimes applies to this list. Neither is there any explanation of
what is expected of list admins, such as whether there is an
obligation to explain to someone who finds themselves subject to
moderation or a ban, as to why this has happened and what they ought
to do in order to become un-banned or un-moderated.

I believe this would help list users better understand what is
expected of them when they post here and it may give an opportunity to
review the transparency of list administration, such as the option of
publishing a list of active moderated accounts and possibly a list of
indefinitely banned accounts where these were for behaviour on the
list (as opposed to content-free spamming etc.)

I see no down side to explaining policy as openly as possible. Thoughts?

Fae



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I just signed “FIFA: Build a memorial to honour the workers who lost their lives building the stadiums”

[Richard Ames]

Off topic. Please don't send such mails to this list. Regards, Richard.

On 03/07/14 07:26, koteche mcintosh wrote:

Hi,

I've just signed the following petition


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[Wikimedia-l] Number of volunteers. (Was: How many volunteers (not editors) ...?)

[Richard Ames]

I have done a very rough estimate / count:

OTRS - 180
Sysops - 50
List Moderators -410
SW Developers - 400
FDC members - 9
Affiliations committee - 9

for a total of about 1060.

Who is the 'Volunteer Coordinator' whose duties are listed at 
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Volunteer_Coordinator ??


Regards, Richard.


On 22/06/14 21:12, Richard Ames wrote:


Is there a listing of the volunteer positions which work for the
Wikimedia Foundation?


snip


How many are there?

Regards, Richard.



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[Wikimedia-l] Volunteer vs Work (Was: How many volunteers (not editors)...????)

[Richard Ames]

I don't see the contradiction. If a person volunteers to do a job and 
the organisation accepts them; why wouldn't that be considered work?


Regards, Richard.

On 22/06/14 21:59, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list?

Richard Ames, 22/06/2014 13:12:

volunteer positions which work for


I smell a contradiction.

Nemo



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[Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

[Richard Ames]

Is there a listing of the volunteer positions which work for the 
Wikimedia Foundation?


I can think of several areas people volunteer in: system operators, 
software development, public relations, correspondence management 
(OTRS), list moderation, event management, conflict resolution (Arbcom), 
Funds Distribution (FDC), Affiliations Committee, etc.


How many are there?

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

[Richard Ames]

I agree they are but I'm interested in other volunteers who may or may not be 
editors. 

Thanks, Richard

 Original message 
From: Dirk Franke dirk.fra...@wikimedia.de 
Date: 22/06/2014  21:21  (GMT+10:00) 
To: rich...@ames.id.au,Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement 
have 
 
Hi Richard,

Just wondering: why are editors not volunteers?

best,



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 10, Issue 23 -- 18 June 2014

[Richard Ames]

I would like to publicly thank the contributors to the Signpost; most 
are listed here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom


Thanks, Richard.

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[Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)

[Richard Ames]

I have set the moderation bit on Russavia's address for a limited time. 
 I've asked Russavia to focus on issues only; in the spirit of 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility


Regards, Richard.


On 14/06/14 05:21, Russavia wrote:

Ira,

Don't lecture me about what is and isn't acceptable.

Sure, you're a member of WMNYC and you are, of course, really butthurt


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On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
wrote:



There is the option of contacting her directly, or the chief editor of
the magazine, for further comment/clarification. Or the Wikipedia way
-- create a totally neutral on-project biography. ;)

Cheers,

Russavia


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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

[Richard Ames]

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Тема: Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
Від кого: Levon Azizian levonaziz...@bigmir.net
Кому: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Копія: Правління Вікімедіа Україна bo...@wikimedia.in.ua
Відправлено: 31.05.2014 18:40,

Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date
of creation.

Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent
meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new
organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine.

Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of
Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this
year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of
Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the
threshold of 500 000 articles.

We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our
neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course
to our community for their contributions!

Regards, Levon Azizian
Deputy chair
Wikimedia Ukraine



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[Wikimedia-l] Quoting, etc.

[Richard Ames]

A gentle note from one of your moderators .

Please when writing to the list: only quote (or repeat) what is 
necessary.  There is no need to repeat the entire conversation - We have 
all seen it before!


The etc. part:

There are some useful guidelines at 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines   Please read 
and consider.


Regards, Richard.


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[Wikimedia-l] Hotmail fatal bounces

[Richard Ames]

Hotmail has bounced many connections with a 'fatal' error code: 550 
SC-004. This happened at about 0015 on 19 March (UTC).


Looking at Hotmail's error page at: 
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors says it was 
rejected for Policy reasons


The result is many (all?) hotmail users have been 'disabled' in the 
mailing list.


List users can reactivate themselves at 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/wikimedia-l


Regards, Richard.

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[Wikimedia-l] Moodbar gone????

[Richard Ames]

From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard

I get:

No such special page

Have I missed the demise of this tool or is something broken?

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

[Richard Ames]

Donors donate based on perceived value received. End of story.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

[Richard Ames]

James -

Thanks for the opportunity to road test your work and to ignore it if I 
want.


Open is what it is all about..

Regards, Richard.

On 12/12/12 14:30, James Forrester wrote:
snip


Why launch now?

We want our community of existing editors to get an idea of what the
VisualEditor will look like in the “real world” and start to give us
feedback about how well it integrates with how they edit right now,
and their thoughts on what aspects are the priorities in the coming
months.


cut

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