Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists
By cabalish I mean not closed lists with clear membership process as cultural partners is but the like of the paris group where you've got to be a part of a cabal in order to even know about it (or have cabal member mention it somewhere in front of you). --Base On 10.06.2015 13:46, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 8 June 2015 at 23:35, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote: I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Cabalish is rather a pejorative term. We have a closed GLAM list so that we can have frank discussions without embarrassing our partner organisations. if ether was no such list, then those discussions would move to private emails, not become public. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists
I'm guessing that he's referring to the attendees of a GLAM meeting that was held in Paris a few months ago and is comprehensively documented on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting Yesterday, I asked the ~15 attendees of that meeting a followup question about my own work, and called them the paris group in that email as a shorthand. As far as I know, that's the only time the phrase has been used in a GLAM-specific context. -Liam wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 9 June 2015 at 12:15, Benoît Evellin (Trizek) bevel...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello Base Guessing from your first email, the Paris group you mention may be this mailing list hosted by Wikimédia France http://lists.wikimedia.fr/info/paris, which allows people living in Paris discuss about their local IRL actions (like visiting museums). This list is not a generic mailing-list, like lists hosted by WMF. Best, Benoît On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote: Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by lists.wikimedia.org. E.g. cultural partnership is here: https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not suffice. Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can write rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to concentrate data in one place is to be considered. --Base On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote: The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi guys. Just how many GLAM lists do we have? Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the paris group (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others. Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them? Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more. I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ GLAM mailing list g...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam -- Benoît Evellin (Trizek) Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia Foundation ___ GLAM mailing list g...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists
Yes, that's the one I'm about. It's good that all these things are documented at least somewhere but it would be good to have them in one place. I don't think it's a very nice thing when we have almost half a dozen of GLAM lists all documented in different places. It's not very important who actually hosts them. I suggest that all GLAM lists are to be listed on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with some details on them. --Base On 09.06.2015 13:40, Liam Wyatt wrote: I'm guessing that he's referring to the attendees of a GLAM meeting that was held in Paris a few months ago and is comprehensively documented on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting Yesterday, I asked the ~15 attendees of that meeting a followup question about my own work, and called them the paris group in that email as a shorthand. As far as I know, that's the only time the phrase has been used in a GLAM-specific context. -Liam wittylama.com http://wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 9 June 2015 at 12:15, Benoît Evellin (Trizek) bevel...@wikimedia.org mailto:bevel...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello Base Guessing from your first email, the Paris group you mention may be this mailing list hosted by Wikimédia France http://lists.wikimedia.fr/info/paris, which allows people living in Paris discuss about their local IRL actions (like visiting museums). This list is not a generic mailing-list, like lists hosted by WMF. Best, Benoît On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru mailto:bas...@yandex.ru wrote: Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org. E.g. cultural partnership is here: https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not suffice. Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can write rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to concentrate data in one place is to be considered. --Base On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote: The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 tel:1-415-839-6885%20x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org mailto:phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru mailto:bas...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi guys. Just how many GLAM lists do we have? Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the paris group (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others. Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them? Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more. I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists
Yes, this mailing list is still alive, and the membership is open to Wikipedians who understand how to jump the hoops of the meta page. The meta page is not only the place where you can sign up for the list, but also the place where you should discuss this list if you object to it in any way. I am one of several list admins who adds people to the list based on the sign-up page and emails that come in. https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists The biggest reason for it being closed is to ensure that we can speak honestly about projects with have had with external partners - because GLAM is inherently about building professional and long-term relationships externally On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Ilario Valdelli ilario.valde...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Hi, the mailing list of cultural partners hosted by Wikimedia CH is not a Wikimedia CH mailing list. I remember that a lot of year ago, during the Wikimedia conferences, the chapters asked to have some mailing lists to discussed themes like GLAMs. I, as member of the staff of Wikimedia CH, don't have access. The best is to ask to the administrators of the mailing list if it is still alive. Regards On 09/Giu/2015 02.54.04, Bohdan Melnychuk wrote: Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by lists.wikimedia.org. E.g. cultural partnership is here: https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not suffice. Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can write rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to concentrate data in one place is to be considered. --Base On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote: The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_ | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk base-w@yandex.ruwro #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_te: Hi guys. Just how many GLAM lists do we have? Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the paris group (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others. Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them? Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more. I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_ Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_ ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_ Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_ ?subject=unsubscribe ___ GLAM mailing list g...@lists.wikimedia.org #14dd7fbfeb3fdcd1_ https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam ___ GLAM mailing list g...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
