Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
* Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. In the posting above you write: Freedom of speech and access to information are core Wikimedia values. These values can be compromised by surveillance: editors and readers understandably are less willing to write and inform themselves as honestly and freely. Should the U.S. stop gathering intelligence on people in Iran that con- tribute on the arabic Wikipedia in articles on nuclear physics? Should the U.S. carefully limit which signals going in and out of North Korea it intercepts to protect the privacy of the people there, or would it be okay if the U.S., say, simply intercepts all Internet traffic and phone calls and filters the data for anything interesting? Should there be a special committee to investigate, report, and reveal to the public the extent of all the foreign intelligence activity of the U.S.? And bad countries may do all the same things that good countries may do? I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite denials, but it certainly has implications for our freedoms in Europe. Jon Davies On 15 June 2013 00:59, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos sentimos inclinados a recomendar que la Fundación Wikimedia colaborar con organizaciones como Mozilla, la Fundación Fronteras Electrónicas, la Fundación para el software libre y el Centro para la Democracia y la Tecnología. Estos grupos han preparado una carta abierta al Congreso de EE.UU. (https://www.stopwatching.us/), exigiendo la transparencia, la investigación, la reforma y la rendición de cuentas, y han pedido a otras organizaciones (entre ellas la Fundación Wikimedia) a unirse a ellos en sus esfuerzos. Le pedimos que lea el blog para más detalles, y le animamos a decirnos sus puntos de vista sobre esto. Muchas gracias, Geoff y Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Nota: Nos gustaría pedir a la
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Hoi, From my perspective ... I live outside the USA, PRISM only brings the American people the same surveillance the rest of the world has had for a long time. The only difference is that the pretence that the US populace is not watched is known to be a fiction. Thanks, GerardM On 15 June 2013 17:57, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite denials, but it certainly has implications for our freedoms in Europe. Jon Davies On 15 June 2013 00:59, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos sentimos inclinados a recomendar que la Fundación Wikimedia colaborar con organizaciones como Mozilla, la Fundación Fronteras Electrónicas, la Fundación para el software libre y el Centro para la Democracia y la Tecnología. Estos grupos han preparado una carta abierta al Congreso de EE.UU.
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. On 15 June 2013 17:56, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, From my perspective ... I live outside the USA, PRISM only brings the American people the same surveillance the rest of the world has had for a long time. The only difference is that the pretence that the US populace is not watched is known to be a fiction. Thanks, GerardM On 15 June 2013 17:57, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite denials, but it certainly has implications for our freedoms in Europe. Jon Davies On 15 June 2013 00:59, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. Yes, the thing is, we are an international organization, and, frankly, we don't vet people politically before they can create an account or edit. Our trust system is based on their behavior here, not what else they may be doing in their life. It is inevitable that from time to time we may be in communication with people that are out of favor with the United States government. However, I think that is so rare that neither American intelligence services nor us should waste much time on it. There is a vanishingly small chance that a request might be directed to us. I doubt expending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting such a request is the best use of our money, but consensus may be different. It is pretty cheap putting on a brave face when there is little actual danger. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. [...] I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. I think I mostly agree with what you wrote. As I commented on the Meta-Wiki talk page,[1] I'd much rather see Wikimedia Foundation time and energy focused on defining what we stand for in documents like Sue's recent Guiding Principles[2] or the older Values pages.[3][4] Would most Wikimedians disagree with the type of behavior exhibited by the U.S. government? I think so. The NSA's actions don't seem to align well with our values of transparency and openness and user privacy. Does that mean it's something that we need to formally denounce? No, we should just keep doing what we're doing. And, as discussed on the Meta-Wiki talk page and in the blog post, we can work to bolster efforts such as HTTPS support, which may have a real impact on the underlying issue. These types of efforts are surely a better use resources rather than signing letters. Spending limited resources denouncing the latest government abuse (or potential future abuse) that happens to be in the news (SOPA, PRISM, etc.) feels faddish (all of our San Fran neighbors are doing it!) and doesn't seem particularly mature or productive. I think it's great for the Wikimedia Foundation to reiterate its values (cf. links 2–4 below) and work toward creating a world in which we can freely share in the sum of all human knowledge. Let's do that. MZMcBride [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:PRISM [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WFGP [3] https://www.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
To try and keep the discussion in one place it would be great if people could put their comments on the meta talk page (either as well as the mailing list or as well as) I'm going to try and copy some responses there (and from the blog) as well but possibly not discussions as that gets more complicated. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:PRISM James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:16 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. [...] I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. I think I mostly agree with what you wrote. As I commented on the Meta-Wiki talk page,[1] I'd much rather see Wikimedia Foundation time and energy focused on defining what we stand for in documents like Sue's recent Guiding Principles[2] or the older Values pages.[3][4] Would most Wikimedians disagree with the type of behavior exhibited by the U.S. government? I think so. The NSA's actions don't seem to align well with our values of transparency and openness and user privacy. Does that mean it's something that we need to formally denounce? No, we should just keep doing what we're doing. And, as discussed on the Meta-Wiki talk page and in the blog post, we can work to bolster efforts such as HTTPS support, which may have a real impact on the underlying issue. These types of efforts are surely a better use resources rather than signing letters. Spending limited resources denouncing the latest government abuse (or potential future abuse) that happens to be in the news (SOPA, PRISM, etc.) feels faddish (all of our San Fran neighbors are doing it!) and doesn't seem particularly mature or productive. I think it's great for the Wikimedia Foundation to reiterate its values (cf. links 2–4 below) and work toward creating a world in which we can freely share in the sum of all human knowledge. Let's do that. MZMcBride [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:PRISM [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WFGP [3] https://www.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos sentimos inclinados a recomendar que la Fundación Wikimedia colaborar con organizaciones como Mozilla, la Fundación Fronteras Electrónicas, la Fundación para el software libre y el Centro para la Democracia y la Tecnología. Estos grupos han preparado una carta abierta al Congreso de EE.UU. (https://www.stopwatching.us/), exigiendo la transparencia, la investigación, la reforma y la rendición de cuentas, y han pedido a otras organizaciones (entre ellas la Fundación Wikimedia) a unirse a ellos en sus esfuerzos. Le pedimos que lea el blog para más detalles, y le animamos a decirnos sus puntos de vista sobre esto. Muchas gracias, Geoff y Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Nota: Nos gustaría pedir a la comunidad internacional Wikimedia para ayudar a traducir la entrada de blog y la página de comentarios (que son casi lo mismo), así como la retroalimentación de las usuarios que recibieron durante este período de consulta. Debido a los plazos ajustados, esperamos contar con traducciones profesionales para los documentos enviados por el próximo martes por lo menos alemán, francés, español y japonés. ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Geoff, I'm a bit lost here now that I've read that translation notice more carefully — are you really saying you want to have this post translated into German, French, Spanish and Japanese by Tuesday, June 18, and then for the local communities to comment on it by Friday, June 21? There is just no way that this can scale in this world. FYI, I posted a message asking for translations at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2013-June/002311.html, and I'm sure that our amazing volunteer translators can get it translated into those four languages (and more) by noon on Sunday (PST). (And again—doing this kind of things on a Friday is a Very Bad Idea[TM].) -- Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Thank you Geoff, it is excellent to see this public statement of intent and discussion. And thank you Tomasz for getting the word out to our translators! SJ On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Geoff, I'm a bit lost here now that I've read that translation notice more carefully — are you really saying you want to have this post translated into German, French, Spanish and Japanese by Tuesday, June 18, and then for the local communities to comment on it by Friday, June 21? There is just no way that this can scale in this world. FYI, I posted a message asking for translations at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2013-June/002311.html, and I'm sure that our amazing volunteer translators can get it translated into those four languages (and more) by noon on Sunday (PST). (And again—doing this kind of things on a Friday is a Very Bad Idea[TM].) -- Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
