Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-18 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Only after the last editor has been been driven away
 Only after the last article written by a volunteer has been published
 Only after the last vandal has been reverted by a volunteer
 Then will you find that money alone cannot write an encyclopædia.

 See: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weissagung_der_Cree

 [...]

I doubt that WMF employees are paid in encyclopaedias :-).

Tim


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[Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi all,

Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for feedback. Some 
of us are already in conversation with you or are planning to answer on 
different pages. This is our general common statement:

The Board supports the decision to protect the Media Viewer roll out. Our 
platform powers a top-5 website. We need operational protocols that are 
consistent with this position. This includes making improvements, rather than a 
tendency towards reverting to the status quo. 

At the Board meeting before Wikimania, Lila laid out her strategy to put in 
place best practices for product development. We will communicate sooner, we 
will prioritize smarter, we will test more, and we will achieve better 
outcomes. Her vision is to involve the community at each step of product 
development, including more structured feedback stages and reviews. We endorse 
this vision.

We realize that there is concern about the superprotect user right and how it 
affects power balance and influence on content and administration. We recognize 
the concern that we need to explain and introduce our measures better. However, 
stability of the platform is necessary as we seek to improve our sites, and, 
for that reason, we support the creation of this tool. We also understand that 
with more robust rollout plans and better staged community feedback - as Lila 
envisions - the tool should rarely be used.
We urge you to focus on specific improvements you'd like to see in the Media 
Viewer and the roll-out process. Lila intends to incorporate that feedback as 
she plans to improve Media Viewer and the process for future product roll outs.
The Wikimedia Foundation needs to be in a position to make software and 
configuration changes for which it is responsible. We expect restrictions of 
MediaWiki code-level editing to be a temporary step to enable us to move 
forward with improvements. As we say, Media Viewer should be improved; our 
procedures to date have not yet met the high standards we want to set for 
ourselves. Lila wants to address both now, and we need to give her the space to 
do so. She has our full support and confidence as she tackles this tough 
challenge.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Board of Trustees

Jan-Bart de Vreede
Chair
Board of Trustees
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Manuel Schneider
Hi Jan-Bart,

thanks for this statement.
Thanks to all on the board and Lila working on this, the improvement of
our website and trying to recover the trust of our community.

/Manuel

Am 14.08.2014 15:42, schrieb Jan-Bart de Vreede:
 Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for feedback. 
 Some of us are already in conversation with you or are planning to answer on 
 different pages. This is our general common statement:

[...]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Martin Rulsch
The Board did not even consider to apologize for the rushed interference of
WMF staff on de:MediaWiki:Common.js which caused so much trouble in the
last days? No empathy for German Wikimedians who feel completely overruled
and locked out from maintaining its display and implementing community
consensus, a long established procedure btw.? No urge on WMF staff to
implement policies on who should use superprotect and when in order to
maintain our display the best, together? By just telling us that they did
what they had to do and would even repeat it identically (without warnings,
discussions, or anything) just in order to remove some bad JavaScript code
which was not covered by community consensus either and hence would have
been removed by local administrators anyway, you most likely will lose much
more trust there and globally which cannot be the goal you wanted to
achieve. Personally, I know that superprotect can be helpful in certain
circumstances because I had to deal with JavaScript abuse on Common.js'es
as a Wikimedia steward from time to time. That is why I support creating a
tool which prevents inexperienced admins from maintaining our display. But
does that necessarily be rushed which will leave an impression of attacking
the community by interfering in their originated responsibilities although
this was not intended? Without any idea which groups from now on will
maintain the display (crats? stewards? on consensus? on WMF instruction),
or does WMF staff wants to maintain all Commons.js, Vector.js, Monobook.js,
etc. on all 900 wikis alone? Some clarifications are needed in order to
solve this problem together. And that should be our goal: working together
to make Wikimedia projects are more welcome place for readers, authors, and
anyone.

Cheers,
Martin


2014-08-14 15:42 GMT+02:00 Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org:

 Hi all,

 Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for feedback.
 Some of us are already in conversation with you or are planning to answer
 on different pages. This is our general common statement:

 The Board supports the decision to protect the Media Viewer roll out. Our
 platform powers a top-5 website. We need operational protocols that are
 consistent with this position. This includes making improvements, rather
 than a tendency towards reverting to the status quo.

 At the Board meeting before Wikimania, Lila laid out her strategy to put
 in place best practices for product development. We will communicate
 sooner, we will prioritize smarter, we will test more, and we will achieve
 better outcomes. Her vision is to involve the community at each step of
 product development, including more structured feedback stages and reviews.
 We endorse this vision.

 We realize that there is concern about the superprotect user right and how
 it affects power balance and influence on content and administration. We
 recognize the concern that we need to explain and introduce our measures
 better. However, stability of the platform is necessary as we seek to
 improve our sites, and, for that reason, we support the creation of this
 tool. We also understand that with more robust rollout plans and better
 staged community feedback - as Lila envisions - the tool should rarely be
 used.
 We urge you to focus on specific improvements you'd like to see in the
 Media Viewer and the roll-out process. Lila intends to incorporate that
 feedback as she plans to improve Media Viewer and the process for future
 product roll outs.
 The Wikimedia Foundation needs to be in a position to make software and
 configuration changes for which it is responsible. We expect restrictions
 of MediaWiki code-level editing to be a temporary step to enable us to move
 forward with improvements. As we say, Media Viewer should be improved; our
 procedures to date have not yet met the high standards we want to set for
 ourselves. Lila wants to address both now, and we need to give her the
 space to do so. She has our full support and confidence as she tackles this
 tough challenge.

 On behalf of the Wikimedia Board of Trustees

 Jan-Bart de Vreede
 Chair
 Board of Trustees
 Wikimedia Foundation
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