Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
@Nemo @Oliver http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia contains full answers, not only the yes/no parts. The written text appears in a yellow hint box above the white answering box. You can either copy the yellow box text into the white box one and edit it then. Dimi 2014-01-27 Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org Where do I go to copyedit the suggested answers? ;). On 26 January 2014 11:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 21/01/2014 17:12: Sorry, forgot the citation marker. The link to the answering guide is the [2]http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia That contains only yes/no answers, right? It's a bit hard to navigate the mass of text and I don't manage to see if there's any beyond the questions. :) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Product Analyst Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)? Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only? The page says that the response can be submitted by the Wikimedia Foundation and other interested groups”, so perhaps the answers are merely intended as a resource others can use if they wish? If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here: http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en According to the EU, responses to the consultation from non-registered entities will be published separately from the registered organisations”, which may mean less influence. See: http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index_en.htm (I note that the Foundation is not registered!) By the way, WMUK will be completing and filing its own separate response. Michael From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimit...@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Hi everyone, Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation. The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission. We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations. The corresponding link is: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation Have fun answering! Dimi ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 27/01/2014 10:27: @Nemo @Oliver http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia contains full answers, not only the yes/no parts. The written text appears in a yellow hint box above the white answering box. You can either copy the yellow box text into the white box one and edit it then. Sorry but I get more and more confused. :) Do you plan to edit that text based on the Meta pages? Is each entity/individual supposed to independently assemble their answer picking from both the guide and the Meta pages (and whatever else they wish)? Please document this on the Meta pages. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
The two sets (http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia and the Meta answers) are parallel efforts. We couldn't have been sure (and still aren't) how well the experiment on Meta will work and therefore created a ready-to-use answering set. 2014-01-27 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 27/01/2014 10:27: @Nemo @Oliver http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia contains full answers, not only the yes/no parts. The written text appears in a yellow hint box above the white answering box. You can either copy the yellow box text into the white box one and edit it then. Sorry but I get more and more confused. :) Do you plan to edit that text based on the Meta pages? Is each entity/individual supposed to independently assemble their answer picking from both the guide and the Meta pages (and whatever else they wish)? Please document this on the Meta pages. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 21/01/2014 17:12: Sorry, forgot the citation marker. The link to the answering guide is the [2]http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia That contains only yes/no answers, right? It's a bit hard to navigate the mass of text and I don't manage to see if there's any beyond the questions. :) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
Where do I go to copyedit the suggested answers? ;). On 26 January 2014 11:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 21/01/2014 17:12: Sorry, forgot the citation marker. The link to the answering guide is the [2]http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia That contains only yes/no answers, right? It's a bit hard to navigate the mass of text and I don't manage to see if there's any beyond the questions. :) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Product Analyst Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
It will be ok if I change a currently signed answer to a more neutral text and later expand it? Em 21/01/2014 14:12, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimit...@gmail.com escreveu: On the one hand, individual Wikimedians and EU chapters participating in the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU [1] have worked together to draft an answering guide for the consultation. Each chapter, individual or other organisation is free to use these answers in whole or in parts to produce their own submission. Where is/will this be? Is this the same thing as https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation ? Sorry, forgot the citation marker. The link to the answering guide is the [2]http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
Hi everyone, Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation. The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission. We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations. The corresponding link is: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation Have fun answering! Dimi ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
Hi Nemo, Well, as I said it is an experiment and we can't be sure someting coherent will come out of it. Therefore, in a true liquid lobbying fashion, we're running a two-tiered strategy. On the one hand, individual Wikimedians and EU chapters participating in the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU [1] have worked together to draft an answering guide for the consultation. Each chapter, individual or other organisation is free to use these answers in whole or in parts to produce their own submission. On the other hand we have put the entire thing on Meta. [3] If the movement manages to come up with decent answers, then again everyone will be free to use the answers in whole or in parts. So, we're making two efforts, one in a thematic group of Wikimedians with a lot of direct communication and another one straight away on meta. The advantage is that we will be able to compare the results, the strengths and weaknesses of each process. We also have a back-up to rely upon should either attempt fail to produce meaningful answers. About the 2009 Green Paper - it looks like a great effort was made. Feel free to work some of the points into the current consultaiton, if they should fit ;) Dimi [1]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_policy [2]http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia [3]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_policy 2014/1/21 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 21/01/2014 15:51: We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations. Yep, it's a big effort. I've not yet understood how you plan to make a coherent text though and who's going to send it (any/each chapter the same text in English?). The 2009 green paper also had dozens questions and a more in-depth answer than what we have so far. :) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Green_Paper Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov, 21/01/2014 16:19: On the one hand, individual Wikimedians and EU chapters participating in the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU [1] have worked together to draft an answering guide for the consultation. Each chapter, individual or other organisation is free to use these answers in whole or in parts to produce their own submission. Where is/will this be? Is this the same thing as https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation? On the other hand we have put the entire thing on Meta. [3] If the movement manages to come up with decent answers, then again everyone will be free to use the answers in whole or in parts. [...] Sure. I've already added my thoughts there. I tried to write them in neutral mode so that they're as close as possible to something that can be included in a response, but others have added more opinion-like texts and even added signatures. It would IMHO be better for it to be a living document but it's currently mostly a discussion and partly a vote. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation
On the one hand, individual Wikimedians and EU chapters participating in the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU [1] have worked together to draft an answering guide for the consultation. Each chapter, individual or other organisation is free to use these answers in whole or in parts to produce their own submission. Where is/will this be? Is this the same thing as https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation ? Sorry, forgot the citation marker. The link to the answering guide is the [2]http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
