[Wikimedia-l] Progress Report 2017-18

[Ananth Subray]

Dear All,

Please find here [1] a link to our draft Progress Report. This report will
be further reviewed for language, metrics, and other visualisation before
submission.  We would like to thank you for the support during the drafting
of this report.

Do let us know if there is anything else,

[1]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/
2016-2017_round_2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Progress_report_form


Thanks and Regards,


*ANANTH SUBRAY P V(ಅನಂತ್)*

Programme Associate

Access to Knowledge program

The Centre for Internet & Society

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[Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[Fred Bauder]

As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
them.

http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/

Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[Martijn Hoekstra]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:

 As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
 lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
 Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
 experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
 them.


 http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/

 Fred



Those bloody kids and their newfangled inventions like the steam loom and
the printing press just don't have any respect any more.

I seriously have no idea what that paragraph is trying to say.






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[Fred Bauder]

 On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
 wrote:

 As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
 lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
 Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
 experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
 them.


 http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/

 Fred



 Those bloody kids and their newfangled inventions like the steam loom and
 the printing press just don't have any respect any more.

 I seriously have no idea what that paragraph is trying to say.

A teaching moment... if not a learning one.

Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,

Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because
research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage
at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only thing
I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the
cost of having access to the Internet.

As a consequence why should I read it ?
Thanks,
   GerardM


On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:

 As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
 lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
 Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
 experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
 them.


 http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/

 Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[Fred Bauder]

 Hoi,

 Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because
 research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better
 coverage
 at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only
 thing
 I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the
 cost of having access to the Internet.

 As a consequence why should I read it ?
 Thanks,
GerardM

If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be
true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is
that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with
numberless agendas is inevitable; not that Britannica was without certain
systemic biases. Wikipedia does not have good editorial control and can
never have it. Gresham's law is at work; no printed book has the beauty
and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom
compares remotely with Navajo weaving.

Fred



 On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:

 As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
 lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
 Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
 experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
 them.


 http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/

 Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[David Cuenca]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote:

 If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be
 true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is
 that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with
 numberless agendas is inevitable; not that Britannica was without certain
 systemic biases. Wikipedia does not have good editorial control and can
 never have it. Gresham's law is at work; no printed book has the beauty
 and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom
 compares remotely with Navajo weaving.


Also applies to the software world, and its acceptance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better

Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[geni]

On 26 July 2013 12:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:

 As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
 lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
 Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
 experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
 them.


 http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/



Err the mention of Wikipedia is a throwaway line in an article about
massive open online courses. I'm not seeing the significance.
-- 
geni
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

[Todd Allen]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:

  Hoi,
 
  Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because
  research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better
  coverage
  at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only
  thing
  I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the
  cost of having access to the Internet.
 
  As a consequence why should I read it ?
  Thanks,
 GerardM

 If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be
 true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is
 that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with
 numberless agendas is inevitable; not that Britannica was without certain
 systemic biases. Wikipedia does not have good editorial control and can
 never have it. Gresham's law is at work; no printed book has the beauty
 and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom
 compares remotely with Navajo weaving.

 Fred

 
 
  On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
 
  As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
  lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
  Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
  experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
  them.
 
 
 
 http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/
 
  Fred
 
 
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Perhaps not as beautiful, but a lot fewer people would have clothing and
blankets if we stuck only to that. I think the same is true of giving the
entire world free access to a massive reference work, a project that twenty
years ago would have been unthinkable.

Todd

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Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows.
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