[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-14 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
It might be a good idea to freeze this thread out before we start
discussing whether political statements are allowed here at all, whether
they are desirable, and whether this specific political statement qualifies
as support or endorsement of terrorism. I do not see how any of such
discussions on this list can lead to anything productive.

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:45 PM Thyge  wrote:

> +1
> Regards,
> Sir48-Thyge
>
> Den lør. 13. apr. 2024 kl. 16.47 skrev SCP 2000 <
> scp-2000.wikime...@outlook.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my comment
>> 
>>  here:)
>>
>> "*We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to
>> ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and
>> memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of
>> knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the
>> unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely
>> documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the
>> erasure of cultural heritage. *"
>>
>>
>> Previously, WMF published a statement
>> 
>>  to
>> calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in
>> Gaza in December. The Human rights team
>>  also published an a
>> on-wiki statement
>> 
>>  regarding
>> digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages
>> Guide 
>> .
>>
>>
>> WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects,
>> rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the
>> petitioner's thoughts on *what further action WMF should take to fulfil
>> the requirements of this statement*. Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> SCP-2000
>> https://w.wiki/_zgcU
>> --
>> *From:* Farah Jack Mustaklem 
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM
>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
>>
>> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>>
>> On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups,
>> ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the
>> humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all
>> Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity
>> with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the
>> tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
>>
>> Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the
>> impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time
>> documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure
>> of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety
>> of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions
>> from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
>>
>> Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have
>> signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
>>
>> The statement can be found and signed here:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
>>
>> Peace and justice for all,
>> Farah
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-14 Thread Thyge
+1
Regards,
Sir48-Thyge

Den lør. 13. apr. 2024 kl. 16.47 skrev SCP 2000 <
scp-2000.wikime...@outlook.com>:

> Hello,
>
> It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my comment
> 
>  here:)
>
> "*We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to
> ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and
> memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of
> knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the
> unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely
> documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the
> erasure of cultural heritage. *"
>
>
> Previously, WMF published a statement
> 
>  to
> calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in
> Gaza in December. The Human rights team
>  also published an a
> on-wiki statement
> 
>  regarding
> digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages
> Guide .
>
>
> WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects,
> rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the
> petitioner's thoughts on *what further action WMF should take to fulfil
> the requirements of this statement*. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> SCP-2000
> https://w.wiki/_zgcU
> --
> *From:* Farah Jack Mustaklem 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
>
> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups,
> ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the
> humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all
> Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity
> with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the
> tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
>
> Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the
> impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time
> documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure
> of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety
> of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions
> from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
>
> Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have
> signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
>
> The statement can be found and signed here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
>
> Peace and justice for all,
> Farah
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-13 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya

There is nothing I want more than peace, prosperity, and the freedom of
everyone everywhere to contribute. I'm wondering what specific actions this
statement is trying to achieve. The WMF has supported a call for access to
the internet.  None of the Projects are systemically deleting content on
Palestine nor is The Wikimedia Foundation requesting that knowledge be
removed.  The movement is just the sum of the effort us volunteers choose
to put in.

As for what is being written on the projects themselves, we contributors
are neutral and present all sides of the story without undue weight, the
WMF has no editorial control over that.  In all conflicts accurate,
reliable, real time reporting is lost as every side has an agenda including
those reporting in the moment which is why we dont allow Original Research.

So who decides what is accurate, what is impartial after the adoption of
these statements





On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 22:47, SCP 2000 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my comment
> 
>  here:)
>
> "*We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to
> ensure the safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and
> memory institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of
> knowledge. We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the
> unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate and timely
> documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the
> erasure of cultural heritage. *"
>
>
> Previously, WMF published a statement
> 
>  to
> calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in
> Gaza in December. The Human rights team
>  also published an a
> on-wiki statement
> 
>  regarding
> digital and physical security best practices and the Internet Outages
> Guide .
>
>
> WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects,
> rather than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the
> petitioner's thoughts on *what further action WMF should take to fulfil
> the requirements of this statement*. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> SCP-2000
> https://w.wiki/_zgcU
> --
> *From:* Farah Jack Mustaklem 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine
>
> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups,
> ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the
> humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all
> Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity
> with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the
> tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
>
> Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the
> impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time
> documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure
> of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety
> of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions
> from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
>
> Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have
> signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
>
> The statement can be found and signed here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
>
> Peace and justice for all,
> Farah
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-13 Thread SCP 2000
Hello,

It seems that very few people watch the talkpage, so I repost my 
comment
 here:)


"We call upon the Wikimedia Foundation to take proactive measures to ensure the 
safety of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory 
institutions from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge. We 
urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to prioritize the unbiased 
dissemination of information and the accurate and timely documentation of the 
ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster and the erasure of cultural heritage. "


Previously, WMF published a 
statement
 to calls for unrestricted internet connectivity and access to knowledge in 
Gaza in December. The Human rights 
team also published an a 
on-wiki 
statement
 regarding digital and physical security best practices and the Internet 
Outages 
Guide.


WMF is only an organization which hosts and support Wikimedia projects, rather 
than a Human rights organization. Thus, I am curious about the petitioner's 
thoughts on what further action WMF should take to fulfil the requirements of 
this statement. Thanks.

Regards,
SCP-2000
https://w.wiki/_zgcU

From: Farah Jack Mustaklem 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 12:00 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Joint Statement on Palestine

Dear fellow Wikimedians,

On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups, ally 
organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the 
humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all Wikimedia 
groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity with humanity 
and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life 
and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."

Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the impartial 
dissemination of information and accurate, real-time documentation of the 
current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure of cultural heritage" 
and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, 
communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine 
contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."

Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have 
signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.

The statement can be found and signed here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine

Peace and justice for all,
Farah
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-12 Thread Kim Bruning via Wikimedia-l


Quick question, I'm not directly against what you're saying, but...

How does this viewpoint align with NPOV, or the impression of NPOV?

Would you think that "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you
have chosen the side of the oppressor" explicitly rejects a position
of neutrality and neutral reporting? 

Later you request "We urgently request the Wikimedia Foundation to
prioritize the unbiased dissemination of information and the accurate
and timely documentation of the ongoing human-made humanitarian disaster
and the erasure of cultural heritage." How is this request for unbiased action 
possible if you just previously rejected a position of neutrality?

I can see you feel very strongly, and I won't disagree that your
action may have merit in other contexts; I also might not disagree
with a mission on somewhat different grounds. 

That said, one should use the right tool for the right job. As it
stands, how would you argue that wikimedia and wikipedia (organizations
that depend on being neutral) would be the right place for this mission,
specifically with this wording? 

sincerely,
Kim Bruning


On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 07:00:11PM +0300, Farah Jack Mustaklem wrote:
> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
> 
> On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups,
> ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the
> humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all
> Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity
> with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the
> tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
> 
> Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the
> impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time
> documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure
> of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety
> of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions
> from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
> 
> Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have
> signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
> 
> The statement can be found and signed here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
> 
> Peace and justice for all,
> Farah

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-11 Thread Saqib Qayyum
Seriously? While hailing from Pakistan might suggest an automatic alignment
with such a letter, and I do have all my sympathies for Palestinians but
it's crucial to recognize that Wikipedia, and even WMF are intended to
remain impartial. I believe supporting or denouncing political issues is
not appropriate on this mailing list. Wikimedia or WMF meant to be
unbiased, so let's leave it as it is.

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:01 PM geni  wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 17:45, Shaba 50  wrote:
> >
> > Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,
> >
> > I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine.
> I am deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and
> believe that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should
> unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting
> ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian
> cultural heritage.
>
> Whats special about this conflict? The second Darfur genocide is
> ongoing but you aren't making demands about that. The recent ethnic
> cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh was hardly a good thing and yet you
> remain silent. While I'm not upset of the outcome of the recent
> fighting around Myawaddy are you not concerned about the loss of life
> and destruction of cultural heritage in the area?
>
> > I also urge the WMF to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of
> volunteers,
>
> The WMF is not an oil company. It does not have merceneries on call
> and nor should it.
>
>
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-11 Thread geni
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 17:45, Shaba 50  wrote:
>
> Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,
>
> I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine. I am 
> deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and believe 
> that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should unite in 
> solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to 
> halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage.

Whats special about this conflict? The second Darfur genocide is
ongoing but you aren't making demands about that. The recent ethnic
cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh was hardly a good thing and yet you
remain silent. While I'm not upset of the outcome of the recent
fighting around Myawaddy are you not concerned about the loss of life
and destruction of cultural heritage in the area?

> I also urge the WMF to take proactive measures to ensure the safety of 
> volunteers,

The WMF is not an oil company. It does not have merceneries on call
and nor should it.





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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Joint Statement on Palestine

2024-04-11 Thread Shaba 50
Greetings Farah and fellow Wikimedians,

I am writing to express my support for the Joint Statement on Palestine. I
am deeply concerned about the humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine and
believe that Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers should
unite in solidarity with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting
ceasefire to halt the tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian
cultural heritage.

I urge the WMF to prioritize the impartial dissemination of information and
accurate, real-time documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian
disaster and erasure of cultural heritage. I also urge the WMF to take
proactive measures to ensure the safety of volunteers, communities,
partners, and knowledge and memory institutions from Palestine contributing
to the dissemination of knowledge.

Thank you for your leadership on this important issue.

In solidarity,
Aliyu Shaba.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 5:01 PM Farah Jack Mustaklem 
wrote:

> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> On the 7th of April, a joint statement was published by Wikimedia groups,
> ally organization, and individual Wikimedians expressing concern over the
> humanitarian catastrophe in Palestine. The statement calls on "all
> Wikimedia groups, affiliates, allies, and volunteers to unite in solidarity
> with humanity and demand an immediate and lasting ceasefire to halt the
> tragic loss of life and destruction of Palestinian cultural heritage."
>
> Additionally, the signatories call upon the WMF to "prioritize the
> impartial dissemination of information and accurate, real-time
> documentation of the current human-caused humanitarian disaster and erasure
> of cultural heritage" and to "take proactive measures to ensure the safety
> of volunteers, communities, partners and knowledge and memory institutions
> from Palestine contributing to the dissemination of knowledge."
>
> Since the initial release, several additional groups and individuals have
> signed on to the statement, and others are kindly urged to do the same.
>
> The statement can be found and signed here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Palestine
>
> Peace and justice for all,
> Farah
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