[Wikimedia-l] Re: Paid editing in Bulgarian Wikipedia?

[Johan Jönsson]

Hi Rafi,

How to handle paid editing has been a contentious issue for a long time, as
the topic stretches from Wikipedian in Residence programs to the
undoubtedly unwanted edits from companies or individuals hiring PR firms to
paint themselves in a better light than is called for.

The section on paid editing in the Terms of Use, which is in force on all
wikis which haven't explicitly adopted a different policy, says it has to
be disclosed but doesn't disallow it. This would allow for paid editing
which is in line with our policies on neutrality and so on.

https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/en#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities

But each individual wiki community can then set their own policies and
guidelines here, or norms and interpretations even if they haven't.
Commons, for example, doesn't require a disclosure, as it has different
problems to handle than the Wikipedias have.

//Johan Jönsson
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Den lör 11 dec. 2021 kl 22:35 skrev Mrb Rafi :

> Hello all!
>
> Does that mean not all paid editings are bad? I'm less knowledgeable on
> this topic. I thought paid editing are completely forbidden.
>
> Regards,
> Rafi
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 12:19 AM Dggenwp  wrote:
>
>> T
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I personally am more concerned about paid conflict of interest editing
>> and much less concerned about paid non conflict of interest work. This
>> appears on superficial overview to be the latter. Will be interested to see
>> how this experiment turns out.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:47 AM Mrb Rafi  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> I became confused watching this [1] job post on Upwork with the title
>>> "Create 20 pages in the Bulgarian Wikipedia". The client offered 30 USD for
>>> this task.
>>> The job post says:
>>>
>>>








 *This is a small experimental project. The goal is to check if people
 on Upwork.com can help grow the Bulgarian Wikipedia in a quality way. I
 also wish to *not* cannibalize edits that would have happened anyway. The
 created content will be in the public domain. It's a gift to all
 Bulgarians. We follow all the values, guidelines and rules valid on the
 Bulgarian WIkipedia: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Уикипедия:Поведение . This includes
 following the specific wiki syntax and the usual expectations of all pages,
 especially good sources and categorization of the page. Some experience
 editing Wikipedia is desired, but not required. Since these are supposed to
 be net new edits, I will prefer people who have fewer than 100 Wikipedia
 edits so far. Due to this social benefit, the proposed price is far below
 market price. As Bulgarians say, the payment is symbolic. For this
 experiment, I've selected 20 articles that exist in the English Wikipedia,
 but don't yet exist in the Bulgarian Wikipedia. That gives you the option
 to use Wikipedia's translation tool, which may make your work much faster
 and more pleasant: Please note that the translation tool has some specifics
 that take time to get used to, e.g., adding references, representing other
 alphabets -- I can help with such issues. The list of proposed articles is
 here: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Потребител:Cryout/Чрез_ЪпУърк I hope you
 will enjoy this variety of content. Still, the list is negotiable and we
 can swap articles in and out per your preference. *

>>>
>>> Is it going in the right way? I'm a Lil' bit confused.
>>> Besides this, you'll get tons of paid editing job posts on Upwork,
>>> freelancer and other freelance networks. At first, I used to report these
>>> posts but there are so many of them that it's not possible for me to find
>>> all of them and report them.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~01371a50692d0540d0
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Rafi
>>>
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>>
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Paid editing in Bulgarian Wikipedia?

[Mrb Rafi]

Hello all!

Does that mean not all paid editings are bad? I'm less knowledgeable on
this topic. I thought paid editing are completely forbidden.

Regards,
Rafi

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 12:19 AM Dggenwp  wrote:

> T
>
> On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> 
> I personally am more concerned about paid conflict of interest editing and
> much less concerned about paid non conflict of interest work. This appears
> on superficial overview to be the latter. Will be interested to see how
> this experiment turns out.
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:47 AM Mrb Rafi  wrote:
>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> I became confused watching this [1] job post on Upwork with the title
>> "Create 20 pages in the Bulgarian Wikipedia". The client offered 30 USD for
>> this task.
>> The job post says:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *This is a small experimental project. The goal is to check if people on
>>> Upwork.com can help grow the Bulgarian Wikipedia in a quality way. I also
>>> wish to *not* cannibalize edits that would have happened anyway. The
>>> created content will be in the public domain. It's a gift to all
>>> Bulgarians. We follow all the values, guidelines and rules valid on the
>>> Bulgarian WIkipedia: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> Уикипедия:Поведение . This includes
>>> following the specific wiki syntax and the usual expectations of all pages,
>>> especially good sources and categorization of the page. Some experience
>>> editing Wikipedia is desired, but not required. Since these are supposed to
>>> be net new edits, I will prefer people who have fewer than 100 Wikipedia
>>> edits so far. Due to this social benefit, the proposed price is far below
>>> market price. As Bulgarians say, the payment is symbolic. For this
>>> experiment, I've selected 20 articles that exist in the English Wikipedia,
>>> but don't yet exist in the Bulgarian Wikipedia. That gives you the option
>>> to use Wikipedia's translation tool, which may make your work much faster
>>> and more pleasant: Please note that the translation tool has some specifics
>>> that take time to get used to, e.g., adding references, representing other
>>> alphabets -- I can help with such issues. The list of proposed articles is
>>> here: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>> Потребител:Cryout/Чрез_ЪпУърк I hope you
>>> will enjoy this variety of content. Still, the list is negotiable and we
>>> can swap articles in and out per your preference. *
>>>
>>
>> Is it going in the right way? I'm a Lil' bit confused.
>> Besides this, you'll get tons of paid editing job posts on Upwork,
>> freelancer and other freelance networks. At first, I used to report these
>> posts but there are so many of them that it's not possible for me to find
>> all of them and report them.
>>
>> [1] https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~01371a50692d0540d0
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rafi
>>
>> ___
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>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Paid editing in Bulgarian Wikipedia?

[Dggenwp]

T

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
> 
> 
> I personally am more concerned about paid conflict of interest editing and 
> much less concerned about paid non conflict of interest work. This appears on 
> superficial overview to be the latter. Will be interested to see how this 
> experiment turns out.
> 
> James
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:47 AM Mrb Rafi  wrote:
>> Hello all!
>> 
>> I became confused watching this [1] job post on Upwork with the title 
>> "Create 20 pages in the Bulgarian Wikipedia". The client offered 30 USD for 
>> this task. 
>> The job post says: 
>> 
>>> This is a small experimental project. The goal is to check if people on 
>>> Upwork.com can help grow the Bulgarian Wikipedia in a quality way. I also 
>>> wish to *not* cannibalize edits that would have happened anyway.
>>> 
>>> The created content will be in the public domain. It's a gift to all 
>>> Bulgarians. We follow all the values, guidelines and rules valid on the 
>>> Bulgarian WIkipedia: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Уикипедия:Поведение . 
>>> This includes following the specific wiki syntax and the usual expectations 
>>> of all pages, especially good sources and categorization of the page. Some 
>>> experience editing Wikipedia is desired, but not required. Since these are 
>>> supposed to be net new edits, I will prefer people who have fewer than 100 
>>> Wikipedia edits so far.
>>> 
>>> Due to this social benefit, the proposed price is far below market price. 
>>> As Bulgarians say, the payment is symbolic.
>>> 
>>> For this experiment, I've selected 20 articles that exist in the English 
>>> Wikipedia, but don't yet exist in the Bulgarian Wikipedia. That gives you 
>>> the option to use Wikipedia's translation tool, which may make your work 
>>> much faster and more pleasant: Please note that the translation tool has 
>>> some specifics that take time to get used to, e.g., adding references, 
>>> representing other alphabets -- I can help with such issues.
>>> 
>>> The list of proposed articles is here: 
>>> https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Потребител:Cryout/Чрез_ЪпУърк
>>> I hope you will enjoy this variety of content. Still, the list is 
>>> negotiable and we can swap articles in and out per your preference.
>>  
>> Is it going in the right way? I'm a Lil' bit confused.
>> Besides this, you'll get tons of paid editing job posts on Upwork, 
>> freelancer and other freelance networks. At first, I used to report these 
>> posts but there are so many of them that it's not possible for me to find 
>> all of them and report them.
>> 
>> [1] https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~01371a50692d0540d0
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Rafi
>> 
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Paid editing in Bulgarian Wikipedia?

[James Heilman]

I personally am more concerned about paid conflict of interest editing and
much less concerned about paid non conflict of interest work. This appears
on superficial overview to be the latter. Will be interested to see how
this experiment turns out.

James

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:47 AM Mrb Rafi  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I became confused watching this [1] job post on Upwork with the title
> "Create 20 pages in the Bulgarian Wikipedia". The client offered 30 USD for
> this task.
> The job post says:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *This is a small experimental project. The goal is to check if people on
>> Upwork.com can help grow the Bulgarian Wikipedia in a quality way. I also
>> wish to *not* cannibalize edits that would have happened anyway. The
>> created content will be in the public domain. It's a gift to all
>> Bulgarians. We follow all the values, guidelines and rules valid on the
>> Bulgarian WIkipedia: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Уикипедия:Поведение . This includes
>> following the specific wiki syntax and the usual expectations of all pages,
>> especially good sources and categorization of the page. Some experience
>> editing Wikipedia is desired, but not required. Since these are supposed to
>> be net new edits, I will prefer people who have fewer than 100 Wikipedia
>> edits so far. Due to this social benefit, the proposed price is far below
>> market price. As Bulgarians say, the payment is symbolic. For this
>> experiment, I've selected 20 articles that exist in the English Wikipedia,
>> but don't yet exist in the Bulgarian Wikipedia. That gives you the option
>> to use Wikipedia's translation tool, which may make your work much faster
>> and more pleasant: Please note that the translation tool has some specifics
>> that take time to get used to, e.g., adding references, representing other
>> alphabets -- I can help with such issues. The list of proposed articles is
>> here: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Потребител:Cryout/Чрез_ЪпУърк I hope you
>> will enjoy this variety of content. Still, the list is negotiable and we
>> can swap articles in and out per your preference. *
>>
>
> Is it going in the right way? I'm a Lil' bit confused.
> Besides this, you'll get tons of paid editing job posts on Upwork,
> freelancer and other freelance networks. At first, I used to report these
> posts but there are so many of them that it's not possible for me to find
> all of them and report them.
>
> [1] https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~01371a50692d0540d0
>
> Best regards,
> Rafi
>
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