On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 00:52, Niklas Laxström wrote: > Translate extension has supported for a long time having any language > as the source language. There just has not been an interface in > MediaWiki to set the source language of a page. > > The good news is that Kunal Grover, a GSoC student has created > Special:PageLanguage to do just that. [1] I expect it will be > available quite soon. > [...] > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kunalgrover05/Progress_Report
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 01:50, Philippe Verdy wrote: > This is good development, but I don't see why we need a special page to > define what is metadata of the page itself. > [...] Yes, I have same question. On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 01:50, Philippe Verdy wrote: > May be it will be accessible > from the VisualEditor; like we edit categories, but such metadata is a > general need for lots of other applications. The general need would be to > be able to associate metadata with a symbolic type to any page: just a few > metadata is currently handled in MediaWiki: categories, default > sortkeys, interwiki links, plus a few other flags inserted by using magic > words (like __NOINDEX__). > > There are also external metadata stored in Wikidata for some wiki projects. > More are needed (e.g. for different typing sort keys). > Any way I expect to see soon a reliable way to detect the page language > including for translated pages; but more importantly for sources of > translations without having to assume they are in English, or create thme > in another language and creating a pseudo-translation to the original > language by copying keys, then modifying the English source again but > keeping the original text. > At least, when we mark a new page for translation, we should immediately > have an option asking in which language is the source; if it's not specifid > by the new experimental Special:PageLanguage page (which is not necessarily > needed). > > And once a source page has been marked for translation, the Translate tool > should have a simple API to query its language or the language used in the > generated translations, And ideally, we should be able to swithc from one > source language to another (for example some projects start in English, but > are later managed in German or Chinese, or a local Chapter initially > creates documents in its own local language such as French, Hindi or > Spanish, and will not use English as the reference (this is important for > pages reporting local projects mostly done in other languages, outside > countries or regions with a majority of native English-speakers, i.e: most > countries of the world, including Europe (and even North America where > French and Spanish are very present too ; Spanish and Chinese are also > growing fast in US, and here there are aslo local communities that would > like to promote their own local projects in their native non-English tongue > : do you remember that US does not have any "official" language ?). Kunal Grover, could you please fill in about that? svetlana _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>