thank you guys :) hopefully our user group would one of the most active user groups, we have already plan our next steps, Mardetanha
Mardetanha On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:59 AM, <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Innovation (Gerard Meijssen) > 2. Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Carlos M. Colina) > 3. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Sydney Poore) > 4. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Asaf Bartov) > 5. Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus (Carlos M. Colina) > 6. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Tito Dutta) > 7. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Edward Galvez) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:38:30 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Innovation > Hoi, > Collecting hundred ideas is indeed easy. I am sure that when I look back > in my 3000+ blog posts[1] I will find hundreds of ideas easily. It is not > the numbers that important, it is about the relevance of the ideas, some of > mine are more relevant and others less so. > > Arguments that are relevant are: > > - technical difficulty > - impact on our community > - impact on the amount of work it generates > - impact on the ability to write new articles > - impact on the ability to involve new editors > - ability to generate meaningful statistics > > The idea I proposed in this thread is likely to score really high except on > the first argument. > > Would you for argument's sake walk through this idea with me and see your > process in action. The purpose would be to shine some light in the black > box. A fringe benefit could be to get a ball rolling. > Thanks, > GerardM > > [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/ > > On 14 July 2015 at 21:44, Luis Villa <lvi...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > Luis I like what I read. What you can do to make it even more pleasing > is > > > establish better how this will benefit projects other than Wikipedia. > > > > > > For instance I blogged abut "red link" functionality that will easily > > > enhance the quality of links and red links in most project including > > > Wikipedia because it allows for providing information where there is > none > > > yet to bothnot readers and editors AND maintains the functionality as > if > > > nothing has changed. > > > > > > I have no idea if the WMF would consider such an idea. My impression is > > > that the WMF and its agenda is very much a black box. When you explain > > how > > > an idea like this might get attention, it is less theoretical and it > > > explains me and others if innovation in the WMF has a place and what > that > > > place is. > > > > > > > Hi, Gerard- > > > > Thanks for asking. I think calling us a "black box" on code/ideas from > > outside WMF is pretty fair, though we're working on it. > > > > *tl;dr:* this is and will always be hard; I'd love to hear thoughts or > > examples on how we can do it better. > > > > Note that I have not formally shared this thinking with > > product/engineering, so none of this is a promise to do any specific > thing > > mentioned below. I share it to show, in good faith, that we're thinking > > hard about the problem and what to do about it, and to make clear why it > > isn't easy to solve. > > > > *Ideas* > > We can easily collect thousands of ideas. (For example, just one person > > already had a list of 200+ sorted/filed bugs ready when we announced > > community tech.) Sorting, prioritizing, and implementing them takes work > > (which > > non-programmers sometimes underestimate ;) <http://xkcd.com/1425/>. Some > > things we'd need in order to handle incoming ideas well: > > > > - *Overall process/timeline* for product development, so that people > > know who to talk to when and through what channels. CE is working with > > product/engineering on this, but it will always be ongoing - there > > won't be > > one "final" process, since we'll learn and adjust as we go. > > - *Clear priorities* - if you have 1,000 ideas, you have to have > > priorities so that you can sort through them, and decide "we'll do > this > > one > > first because..." This is hard - there are still some people who > > respond to > > VE by disagreeing that we should be trying to get more new editors! > > - *A friendly space > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Friendly_space> > > understanding* > > - people often get emotional/angry when you tell them their idea is > not > > a > > high priority, or hard to understand, etc. Dealing with that once is > > easy; > > dealing with it repeatedly over months or years is literally > > threatening to > > mental health. > > - *Bodies:* Reading and processing incoming ideas can take a *ton* of > > time from the people involved. Andre helps with this somewhat in his > > role > > as bugmaster, but we're asking a lot from product and engineering > > already, > > so there is tension between "fix core platform issues" and "innovate > > within > > WMF" and "listen carefully to community innovation" - there are just a > > limited number of hours in the day. > > > > We've always done parts of this informally (ideas come in through > > phabricator; I read your blog post when it was first posted via planet; > > etc.) but we need to make it more formal if we want to seriously scale > it. > > We're in the *extremely* initial brainstorming phases of some of this > right > > now, which Lila referred to in her email. > > > > *Code* > > Innovative *code *should be easier to deal with than ideas, because > writing > > code is hard so there is less code than ideas. But you still have to be > > able to deal with: > > > > - *Usability:* the innovative idea might be generally great, but has > it > > had evaluative design research > > <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Design_Research>? > > A/B > > testing of key concepts/language? Etc > > < > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20080805012124/http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08/01/free-software-usability > > > > > .? > > - *Maintainability:* will the code still work in 2-3 years? Who will > > bugfix during that time? > > - *Scalability:* will it work for hundreds of millions of users? > > > > We address some of these currently simply by encouraging people to extend > > the platform and use Labs, rather than relying on us. So one possible > > option is to do more of that (like investing in APIs, as I mentioned > > in my innovation > > survey > > < > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Innovation#Survey_of_WMF_innovation-related_activities > > > > > ). > > > > The journey of hovercards > > < > > > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/03/26/hovercards-now-available-as-a-beta-feature-on-all-wikimedia-wikis/ > > > > > is > > a pretty good example of the potential and difficulty of this process - > we > > know we can turn non-WMF code into deployed code, but it is hard (and in > > that case still not done a year later). > > > > *Serious question* > > Those are my off-the-cuff, very long-term thinking about how we get > > community code into the projects at scale. Gerard, Magnus, others who > write > > code - are there other routes I'm not seeing? Other things we could be > > doing? > > > > Luis > > > > [0] Hard enough that I don't think I've ever seen a mass-audience > free/open > > project do it really well? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Carlos M. Colina" <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:10:00 +0300 > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG > Dear all, > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the family > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in education > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and the > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister projects; > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons. > > Welcome!! > > 1: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015 > -- > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > Carlos M. Colina > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve > <http://wikimedia.org.ve> > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > Twitter: @maor_x > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:10:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG > Excellent news! > Sydney > On Jul 18, 2015 3:10 PM, "Carlos M. Colina" <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the > family > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in > education > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and > the > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister > projects; > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons. > > > > Welcome!! > > > > 1: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015 > > -- > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > > Carlos M. Colina > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | > www.wikimedia.org.ve > > <http://wikimedia.org.ve> > > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > > Twitter: @maor_x > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:20:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG > Congratulations and much success! > > A. > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the > family > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in > education > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and > the > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister > projects; > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons. > > > > Welcome!! > > > > 1: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015 > > -- > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > > Carlos M. Colina > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | > www.wikimedia.org.ve > > <http://wikimedia.org.ve> > > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > > Twitter: @maor_x > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > -- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Carlos M. Colina" <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:22:06 +0300 > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus > Dear all, > > It is an honour and a pleasure to announce on behalf of the Affiliations > Committee the recognition [1] of the newest Wikimedia User Group: Wikimedia > Community User Group Belarus. Among their objectives are to represent both > Belarusian Wikipedias (classical and academic) in international relations; > to widen media presence and public awareness about Belarusian Wikipedias' > community activities; and to make collaborative projects with other > interest groups, social initiatives, NGOs and local communities in Belarus > and abroad. > > Please join us in welcoming a new member of the family! :-) > > > 1: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Belarus_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015 > -- > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > Carlos M. Colina > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve > <http://wikimedia.org.ve> > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > Twitter: @maor_x > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:52:24 +0530 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG > Congrats and wishes. > > On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Congratulations and much success! > > > > A. > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina < > ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the > > family > > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their > > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in > > education > > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and > > the > > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister > > projects; > > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo > trips > > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons. > > > > > > Welcome!! > > > > > > 1: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015 > > > -- > > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee > wayuukanairua > > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya > junain." > > > Carlos M. Colina > > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | > > www.wikimedia.org.ve > > > <http://wikimedia.org.ve> > > > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > > > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > > > Twitter: @maor_x > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Asaf Bartov > > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > > sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Edward Galvez <egal...@wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:28:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG > Congrats! > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Congrats and wishes. > > > > On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > Congratulations and much success! > > > > > > A. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina < > > ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the > > > family > > > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among > their > > > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in > > > education > > > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work > and > > > the > > > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister > > > projects; > > > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo > > trips > > > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons. > > > > > > > > Welcome!! > > > > > > > > 1: > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015 > > > > -- > > > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee > > wayuukanairua > > > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya > > junain." > > > > Carlos M. Colina > > > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | > > > www.wikimedia.org.ve > > > > <http://wikimedia.org.ve> > > > > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > > > > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > > > > Twitter: @maor_x > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Asaf Bartov > > > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the > > > sum of all knowledge. 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