Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

[Magnus Manske]

Ah, I believe when the Italian (?) Wikipedia started using my JS-based
also-search-on-wikidata tool. A dependency JS file was hosted on Tools
Labs, effectively DDOSing it to a halt. Moved file to en.wp, cache can
handle it easily now.

So, not technically a Wikipedia server, but a Wikimedia server with
lots'o'tools got unresponsive for a while. Last one I can think of.

Cheers,
Magnus


On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, John Mark Vandenberg 
wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>  wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big
> > question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances
> > where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers.
>
> Out of interest, when was the last time that a common.js change
> brought down the servers?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

[John Mark Vandenberg]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
> Hoi,
> The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big
> question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances
> where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers.

Out of interest, when was the last time that a common.js change
brought down the servers?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big
question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances
where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers.

This is not a zero sum game. It is not as if there are no consequences. I
am certain that the "community" will not be happy when Wikipedia goes black
for them or because of them. So when the totality goes down, who to blame
and who is to fix it .. the "community"?? Will it blame itself or will it
shrug it off like always? Or will it blame the WMF because "it" feels
entitled??
Thanks,
   GerardM


On 14 August 2014 00:54, svetlana  wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 07:32, Erik Moeller wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> wrote:
> > > In favor of the Media Viewer software is a bunch of inquiry and
> analysis
> > > Restoring the default state of the software to the state that worked
> for
> > > the last decade is a clear precondition for healthier discussion of a
> > > positive path forward.
> >
> > Dear Pete,
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > If we're being honest, at the end of the day, a lot of this is about
> > establishing clear governing principles for the MediaWiki: namespace.
>
> This is indeed true.
> Why does a global.js or whatever edit override user preference in the
> first place?
> I would expect user preferences to run after global.js, and set the
> onClick event back to what it should be (such as, something meaningful
> where a user has MV enabled).
>
> svetlana
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[Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

[svetlana]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 07:32, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
> > In favor of the Media Viewer software is a bunch of inquiry and analysis
> > Restoring the default state of the software to the state that worked for
> > the last decade is a clear precondition for healthier discussion of a
> > positive path forward.
> 
> Dear Pete,
> 
> [...]
> 
> If we're being honest, at the end of the day, a lot of this is about
> establishing clear governing principles for the MediaWiki: namespace.

This is indeed true.
Why does a global.js or whatever edit override user preference in the first 
place?
I would expect user preferences to run after global.js, and set the onClick 
event back to what it should be (such as, something meaningful where a user has 
MV enabled).

svetlana

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