Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
I participate in StackOverflow - asking, answering, voting, editing existing answers. Voting is probably good for a site that is structured around short answers and short questions. I'm not sure that it would work for Wikipedia, where articles are expected to grow to multiple pages over a long time with contributions of different people. Also, StackOverflow answers often become the de-facto main source for answers to many questions, because many people ask about things that are not documented well. We are in an age when a good programming language manual is not really good enough if people need to spend a minute searching through its index, so people prefer to google or to ask on StackOverflow. And it's OK for software development, because if a good answer solves a focused problem, it is later useful to many people. It is not good enough for Wikipedia, which should not be the final source of information, even if in practice it actually is. So you cannot measure the quality of an article or the reliability of a person with votes. As for encouraging people to come back to the site and to contribute more - yes, it works nicely on StackOverflow and on similar sites like PerlMonks, Quora, Slashdot, and others, but for Wikipedia it would be too artificial for the above reasons. I am thrilled about the new Notifications (a.k.a. Echo) in this regard - the indicator at the top, which shows mentions and thanks is very encouraging to me as a contributor (and this has nothing to do with my capacity as a WMF contractor), and I hear many similar positive comments from other editors. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/9/23 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Cheers, Kozuch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? Yes, I participate in Stackoverflow mainly Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? No, and meh. But voting on a consensus driven model is bad. And a wiki is a decent way to collaborate. It is starting to show its age (real time collaboration as i.e. etherpad is far more awesome, but we're a decent bit away from that). QA sites aren't a way to collaborate. They fill a different niche. I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Cheers, Kozuch That's probably because voting is a bad way to create consensus. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
Jan Kučera, 23/09/2013 18:20: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/49276/wikis Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Relevant bugzilla ticket (filed by you, I know): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923#c13 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Jan Kučera, 23/09/2013 18:20: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? http://area51.stackexchange.**com/proposals/49276/wikishttp://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/49276/wikis I posted on that before, and I do encourgage everybody to collaborate there. Stackexchange is much better in QA than we are. Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Relevant bugzilla ticket (filed by you, I know): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923#c13https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923#c13 Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
