Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Hi Phillippe, I noticed that the press release[1] had been made and says despite a press report in Finland that suggested we did not meet the deadline. That press report has since been retracted and corrected However, when I browse to the report, it still appears uncorrected.. Alex [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_WMF%27s_Finnish_fundraising On 1 March 2014 17:46, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Alex, I have checked with Legal. Our deadline for the response was Friday, and our response was indeed filed yesterday. We received an email confirmation from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them as well to confirm safe receipt. It might of course have been that the writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the document. We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report. Best, pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
The corrected report seems to be http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/02/5152/Report-submitted-to-police-duly,-says-Wikimedia Regards, *Stryn* Hi Phillippe, I noticed that the press release[1] had been made and says despite a press report in Finland that suggested we did not meet the deadline. That press report has since been retracted and corrected However, when I browse to the report, it still appears uncorrected.. Alex [1]https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_WMF%27s_Finnish_fundraising On 1 March 2014 17:46, Philippe Beaudette philippe at wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: * Hi Alex, ** I have checked with Legal. Our deadline for the response was Friday, and ** our response was indeed filed yesterday. We received an email confirmation ** from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them ** as well to confirm safe receipt. It might of course have been that the ** writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the ** document. We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report. ** Best, ** pb ** *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia ** Foundation, Inc. ** T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe at wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l | : ** @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki ** On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk krenair at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: ** Apparently they got no response: ** ** ** http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest ** ** ** On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: ** ** Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one ** ** 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leinonen at aalto.fi https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l: **On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: **I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie ** The **man without a past ** ** **Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( ** **http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori ** **- Teemu ** **-- **Teemu Leinonen **http://teemuleinonen.fi http://teemuleinonen.fi **+358 50 351 6796 %2B358%2050%20351%206796 **Media Lab **http://mlab.uiah.fi http://mlab.uiah.fi **Aalto University **School of Arts, Design and Architecture **-- ** **___ **Wikimedia-l mailing list **Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l **Unsubscribe: ** https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, **mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l?subject=unsubscribe ** ** ___ ** Wikimedia-l mailing list ** Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ** Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, ** mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l?subject=unsubscribe ** ** ___ ** Wikimedia-l mailing list ** Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ** Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, ** mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l?subject=unsubscribe ** ** ___ ** Wikimedia-l mailing list ** Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ** Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, ** mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l?subject=unsubscribe * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Stryn@Wikimedia strynw...@gmail.com wrote: The corrected report seems to be http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/02/5152/Report-submitted-to-police-duly,-says-Wikimedia Regards, *Stryn* Wow, that's one hell of a correction. Good on Finland Times. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Heh. So the Wikimedia representative was in Finland? Still a bit of correction coming, I think. Risker/Anne On 3 March 2014 14:05, Stryn@Wikimedia strynw...@gmail.com wrote: The corrected report seems to be http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/02/5152/Report-submitted-to-police-duly,-says-Wikimedia Regards, *Stryn* Hi Phillippe, I noticed that the press release[1] had been made and says despite a press report in Finland that suggested we did not meet the deadline. That press report has since been retracted and corrected However, when I browse to the report, it still appears uncorrected.. Alex [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_WMF%27s_Finnish_fundraising On 1 March 2014 17:46, Philippe Beaudette philippe at wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: * Hi Alex, ** I have checked with Legal. Our deadline for the response was Friday, and ** our response was indeed filed yesterday. We received an email confirmation ** from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them ** as well to confirm safe receipt. It might of course have been that the ** writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the ** document. We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report. ** Best, ** pb ** *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia ** Foundation, Inc. ** T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | philippe at wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l | : ** @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki ** On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk krenair at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: ** Apparently they got no response: ** ** ** http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest ** ** ** On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: ** ** Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one ** ** 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leinonen at aalto.fi https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l: **On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: **I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie ** The **man without a past ** ** **Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( ** **http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori ** **- Teemu ** **-- **Teemu Leinonen **http://teemuleinonen.fi http://teemuleinonen.fi **+358 50 351 6796 %2B358%2050%20351%206796 **Media Lab **http://mlab.uiah.fi http://mlab.uiah.fi **Aalto University **School of Arts, Design and Architecture **-- ** **___ **Wikimedia-l mailing list **Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l **Unsubscribe: ** https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, **mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ?subject=unsubscribe ** ** ___ ** Wikimedia-l mailing list ** Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ** Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, ** mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ?subject=unsubscribe ** ** ___ ** Wikimedia-l mailing list ** Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ** Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, ** mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ?subject=unsubscribe ** ** ___ ** Wikimedia-l mailing list ** Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ** Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, ** mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
The plot thickens! Of course it would be interesting to know what the average Finnish Wikipedia user knows about how Wikipedia works and whether they realize upon donation that they are not just donating to their Finnish (or Swedish) Wikipedia, but also to all of the other projects... 2014-03-01 15:38 GMT+01:00, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com: Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Le 01/03/2014 15:49, Jane Darnell a écrit : The plot thickens! Of course it would be interesting to know what the average Finnish Wikipedia user knows about how Wikipedia works and whether they realize upon donation that they are not just donating to their Finnish (or Swedish) Wikipedia, but also to all of the other projects... Sure, still it's funny that I was replied nearly the opposite recently: Those editors are largely unaware of chapters and thorgs, and many are surprised to learn that up to a quarter of donors' gifts are passed on to them. !! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMF_Board_meetings/2013-11-24/FAQ#I_thought_we_had_plenty_of_money._Isn.27t_the_WMF_growing_as_well.3F_Is_this_just_an_effort_to_curtail_chapter_growth.3F That must be a matter of point of view... -- Mathias Damour 49 rue Carnot F-74000 Annecy 00 33 (0)4 57 09 10 56 00 33 (0)6 27 13 65 51 mathias.dam...@laposte.net http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Astirmays ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Hi Alex, I have checked with Legal. Our deadline for the response was Friday, and our response was indeed filed yesterday. We received an email confirmation from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them as well to confirm safe receipt. It might of course have been that the writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the document. We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report. Best, pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Has anyone translated the email into English? Would be interesting to see what it says... Alex Monk On 7 February 2014 21:33, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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It’s incredible that some governments think they own the language(s) mainly spoken in their country: fi.wikipedia.org is in Finnish but not related to Finland (non-Finnish people could visit fi.wikipedia.org, and Finnish people could visit other language Wikipedias). And it’s sad if they attack volunteers for a technical work, that would sound like the DGSE affair. ~ Seb35 Le Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:00:40 +0100, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com a écrit: Has anyone translated the email into English? Would be interesting to see what it says... Alex Monk On 7 February 2014 21:33, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with fi.wikipedia.org with the relevant Finnish statutes, concluding that the fundraising campaign is in fact a money collection activity and thus needs a permit from the Finnish police. They request that the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org explains the purpose of the fundraising text, and also furnishes the Finnish National Police Board with information regarding the total sum of money that has been raised through the text, at a date no later than the 21st of February. They also say that additional details may be required. They indicate that it is currently an administrative issue, but that the Police Board has the authority to initiate investigations of criminal wrongdoing if the answers of the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org are unsatisfactory. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Who exactly would the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org even be? On 08/02/14 00:24, Kevin Gorman wrote: My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with fi.wikipedia.org with the relevant Finnish statutes, concluding that the fundraising campaign is in fact a money collection activity and thus needs a permit from the Finnish police. They request that the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org explains the purpose of the fundraising text, and also furnishes the Finnish National Police Board with information regarding the total sum of money that has been raised through the text, at a date no later than the 21st of February. They also say that additional details may be required. They indicate that it is currently an administrative issue, but that the Police Board has the authority to initiate investigations of criminal wrongdoing if the answers of the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org are unsatisfactory. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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The Foundation. Which is why WMFI shouldn't try to reply to this except to refer them on. Cheers, Craig On 08/02/2014 11:11 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Who exactly would the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org even be? On 08/02/14 00:24, Kevin Gorman wrote: My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with fi.wikipedia.org with the relevant Finnish statutes, concluding that the fundraising campaign is in fact a money collection activity and thus needs a permit from the Finnish police. They request that the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org explains the purpose of the fundraising text, and also furnishes the Finnish National Police Board with information regarding the total sum of money that has been raised through the text, at a date no later than the 21st of February. They also say that additional details may be required. They indicate that it is currently an administrative issue, but that the Police Board has the authority to initiate investigations of criminal wrongdoing if the answers of the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org are unsatisfactory. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a member in that state willing to act as a contact person). When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF not being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this) Your situation appears to be different for several reasons: 1) Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation is to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country - and so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland residents - whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States. With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a Donate via Paypal button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue. The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is #2 - suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others have said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who has learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some sort of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language... (Dislcaimer: IANAL of course) (BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!) Regards, Charles Gregory (User:Chuq) On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fiwrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Most importantly for all this, the SERVERS are not hosted in Finland (unless something snuck in there behind my back). Under US and EU laws, I would think there's no Finnish jurisdiction over where the servers are located. If the Finnish Police are asserting authority over any website written in their language, there's a problem. If they think they're hosted in Finland, then there's just a quick educational explanation pointing to the WMF server locations documentation. In any case, pass this to le...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: I would dispute the suggestion the Finnish Wikipedia is specific to Finland; I read it regularly and have never been to Finland. There are at a bare minimum something like 300,000 fluent Finnish speakers who don't live in Finland (and I don't think that's counting the portion of Swedes who speak Finnish,) so although the fundraising banner probably primarily attracted donations from people in Finland, it likely attracted plenty of donations from other countries as well. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote: In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a member in that state willing to act as a contact person). When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF not being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this) Your situation appears to be different for several reasons: 1) Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation is to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country - and so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland residents - whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States. With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a Donate via Paypal button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue. The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is #2 - suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others have said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who has learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some sort of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language... (Dislcaimer: IANAL of course) (BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!) Regards, Charles Gregory (User:Chuq) On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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Of course it's not a strict 1:1 ratio! But I was comparing it to (for example) English or Spanish, which the country of origin represent a minority of all speakers worldwide. Charles On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: I would dispute the suggestion the Finnish Wikipedia is specific to Finland; I read it regularly and have never been to Finland. There are at a bare minimum something like 300,000 fluent Finnish speakers who don't live in Finland (and I don't think that's counting the portion of Swedes who speak Finnish,) so although the fundraising banner probably primarily attracted donations from people in Finland, it likely attracted plenty of donations from other countries as well. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote: In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a member in that state willing to act as a contact person). When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF not being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this) Your situation appears to be different for several reasons: 1) Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation is to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country - and so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland residents - whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States. With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a Donate via Paypal button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue. The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is #2 - suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others have said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who has learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some sort of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language... (Dislcaimer: IANAL of course) (BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!) Regards, Charles Gregory (User:Chuq) On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hello all, We are handling this issue, and we are contacting the authorities to resolve their questions. If you receive any official inquires about fundraising on Finnish Wikipedia, please direct them to the Wikimedia Foundation legal team, to me or Andrei Voinigescu (avoinige...@wikimedia.org). Best, Stephen -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *This message might have confidential or legally privileged information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
