Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Thanks Nemo! We have also posted two additional responses on the talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo#Response_of_the_WMF_legal_team_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition . Best, Yana On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Yana Welinder, 21/09/2013 21:12: Hi all, We have posted our response to this on the trademark policy discussion page and with a request to hold off opposition. We welcome your comments there: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_** discussion#Response_from_the_**WMF_legal_department_and_** request_to_hold_off_oppositionhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_discussion#Response_from_the_WMF_legal_department_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition We have answered, by the way. https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/** Reclaim_the_Logo#Response_of_**the_WMF_legal_team_and_** request_to_hold_off_oppositionhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo#Response_of_the_WMF_legal_team_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition ** Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Yana Welinder, 23/09/2013 08:38: Thanks Nemo! We have also posted two additional responses on the talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo#Response_of_the_WMF_legal_team_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition. Thanks. I've no idea how the last answer relates to that talk page, but it seems you answered one of MZ's questions on this list. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Cheers, Kozuch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
I participate in StackOverflow - asking, answering, voting, editing existing answers. Voting is probably good for a site that is structured around short answers and short questions. I'm not sure that it would work for Wikipedia, where articles are expected to grow to multiple pages over a long time with contributions of different people. Also, StackOverflow answers often become the de-facto main source for answers to many questions, because many people ask about things that are not documented well. We are in an age when a good programming language manual is not really good enough if people need to spend a minute searching through its index, so people prefer to google or to ask on StackOverflow. And it's OK for software development, because if a good answer solves a focused problem, it is later useful to many people. It is not good enough for Wikipedia, which should not be the final source of information, even if in practice it actually is. So you cannot measure the quality of an article or the reliability of a person with votes. As for encouraging people to come back to the site and to contribute more - yes, it works nicely on StackOverflow and on similar sites like PerlMonks, Quora, Slashdot, and others, but for Wikipedia it would be too artificial for the above reasons. I am thrilled about the new Notifications (a.k.a. Echo) in this regard - the indicator at the top, which shows mentions and thanks is very encouraging to me as a contributor (and this has nothing to do with my capacity as a WMF contractor), and I hear many similar positive comments from other editors. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/9/23 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Cheers, Kozuch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? Yes, I participate in Stackoverflow mainly Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? No, and meh. But voting on a consensus driven model is bad. And a wiki is a decent way to collaborate. It is starting to show its age (real time collaboration as i.e. etherpad is far more awesome, but we're a decent bit away from that). QA sites aren't a way to collaborate. They fill a different niche. I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Cheers, Kozuch That's probably because voting is a bad way to create consensus. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
Jan Kučera, 23/09/2013 18:20: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/49276/wikis Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Relevant bugzilla ticket (filed by you, I know): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923#c13 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Jan Kučera, 23/09/2013 18:20: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? http://area51.stackexchange.**com/proposals/49276/wikishttp://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/49276/wikis I posted on that before, and I do encourgage everybody to collaborate there. Stackexchange is much better in QA than we are. Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to collaborate? I have repeatedly had proposals for employing some voting mechanism at least on the back-stage, but no one was listening to me... Relevant bugzilla ticket (filed by you, I know): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923#c13https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923#c13 Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers
Reminder, office hour is happening now. Pine From: deyntest...@hotmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; e...@lists.wikimedia.org; wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikitech-annou...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-...@lists.wikimedia.org CC: analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Office hour with WMF researchers Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 00:15:16 -0700 Hi everyone, WMF researchers have agreed to participate in an office hour. This will be in the same format as the meeting we had in April 2013 with researcher introductions followed by open QA and discussion. The currently scheduled participants are: * Henrique Andrade, Brazil Data and Experiments Consultant (Grantmaking Catalyst programs) * Aaron Halfaker, Research Analyst (Analytics) * Jonathan Morgan, Learning Strategist (Grantmaking Learning and Evaluation) * Aaron Shaw, Assistant Professor, School of Communication, Northwestern University * Dario Taraborelli, Senior Research Analyst, Strategy (Analytics) The meeting will be on IRC in #wikimedia-office on Monday, September 23 at 1800 UTC / 1100 PST. Please spread the word and join if you are interested. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers
2013/9/23 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com: Reminder, office hour is happening now. Hi, I have missed the announcement, but I would have enjoyed to join. Are there some minutes or transcript of the Office hours? Thank you. Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Request for consultation about the Community logo
Hi all, The WMF legal team has started a Request for Consultation on whether WMF should continue with the registration of the Community logo as a collective membership mark: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Logo/Request_for_consultation. We would like to invite you to voice your opinion on this question. Many thanks for your input on this! Thanks, Geoff Yana ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Request for consultation about the Community logo
Thanks for posting this and for putting in the work on a short notice. Just to clarify: your preferred/proposed course of action has changed over the weekend, from registering a standard trademark to a community mark? And to further our mission: do we have a Wikipedia article about this type of trademark, and if not, who can write it? :) Best regards, Bence ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Request for consultation about the Community logo
(correct slip of the tongue...) On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting this and for putting in the work on a short notice. Just to clarify: your preferred/proposed course of action has changed over the weekend, from registering a standard trademark to a scommunity/s collective membership mark? And to further our mission: do we have a Wikipedia article about this type of trademark, and if not, who can write it? :) Best regards, Bence ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Request for consultation about the Community logo
(And to answer my own second question - with the correct search term, there is indeed an article in 3 languages.) On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: (correct slip of the tongue...) On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting this and for putting in the work on a short notice. Just to clarify: your preferred/proposed course of action has changed over the weekend, from registering a standard trademark to a scommunity/s collective membership mark? And to further our mission: do we have a Wikipedia article about this type of trademark, and if not, who can write it? :) Best regards, Bence ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
