Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
David Milne has just written about this collaboration on the museum 3.0 ning here: http://museum30.ning.com/profiles/blogs/glamwiki-trial-social-history Lets try to find homes for these images within Wikipedia articles! -Liam [[witty lama]] wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: Well done on this, Craig. You seem to have been doing a great job with GLAM contacts in Queensland and hopefully others will be inspired and follow your lead and find ways to work with their local GLAM institutions. It's really very important that members take an active role with this kind of work. Cheers, Sarah On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Hi All, I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society of the time. His photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb Co Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited time. So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has. You can see what’s been uploaded so far here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection My request to all of you, basically, is to: · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as possible. · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where this content can be used, and use it. · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of making their collections available through Commons and other free media repositories! · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law. Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually ** do** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that. If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on. It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the country. I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general. If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel free to ask me! Cheers, Craig Franklin ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
Well done on this, Craig. You seem to have been doing a great job with GLAM contacts in Queensland and hopefully others will be inspired and follow your lead and find ways to work with their local GLAM institutions. It's really very important that members take an active role with this kind of work. Cheers, Sarah On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Hi All, I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society of the time. His photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb Co Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited time. So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has. You can see what’s been uploaded so far here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection My request to all of you, basically, is to: · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as possible. · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where this content can be used, and use it. · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of making their collections available through Commons and other free media repositories! · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law. Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **do ** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that. If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on. It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the country. I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general. If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel free to ask me! Cheers, Craig Franklin ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
Interesting. FWIW: - 'copyfraud' is a word that has been used in the academic literature to label overly broad or ambitious assertions of copyright (asserting copyright that doesn't or is unlikely to exist). See Jason Mazzone, Copyfraud (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244rec=1srcabs=319321). - An assertion based on 'sweat of the brow' is much more questionable following the IceTV decision by the High Court. If it's just work/running the photo through the processor, then it's questionable whether such digitised photo is copyright-protected even in Australia. However, when such cases have been raised in the UK they have been based on 'extensive work' getting the photograph to faithfully reflect the original. We haven't had that case come to court in Australia; reasoning in IceTV suggests it may not hold up here (anymore). Kimberlee Weatherall -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Vandenberg Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 1:53 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Hi Peter, Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our own copies are fairly remote. I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous - QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the sweat of the brow doctrine would hold up in an Australian court. We only say that QM assert copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that particular claim. And because the digitisation part is then released under a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons. the template is here: [[commons:Template:QM_Infobox]] watchlist it! ;-) The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in Australia or the UK gets caught out. A similar example of a claim like this is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Cased_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_Unretouched_Color.jpg and the derivative http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_CroppedInsideMat_Unretouched_BW.jpg Legally we are better off having a CC image than a PD image - the definition of the latter can change. For cases like this, it would be nice to have a CC-0-digitised-attribution license which requires attribution of the digitiser, but does not assert copyright over it. nice work Craig! -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net Hi All, I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society of the time. His photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb Co Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited time. So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has. You can see what’s been uploaded so far here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection My request to all of you, basically, is to: · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as possible. · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where this content can be used, and use it. · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of making their collections available through Commons and other free media repositories! · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law. Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **do ** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that. If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on. It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the country. I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general. If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel free to ask me! Cheers, Craig Franklin ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- GN. http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/ ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e. they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM. 2009/11/7 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net Hi All, I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society of the time. His photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb Co Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited time. So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has. You can see what’s been uploaded so far here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection My request to all of you, basically, is to: · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as possible. · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where this content can be used, and use it. · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of making their collections available through Commons and other free media repositories! · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law. Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually ** do** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that. If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on. It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the country. I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general. If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel free to ask me! Cheers, Craig Franklin ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- GN. http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/ ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
It might just be the fact that I've not yet had my morning coffee, but under what grounds is he claiming it's copyfraud? This is the sort of thing I was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion one of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working with us. Cheers, Craig F. From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt inbgn Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection This deletion http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Brisbane-s treet-ipswich-r.jpg discussion may be of some interest. Matt 2009/11/8 Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e. they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM. 2009/11/7 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net Hi All, I'm pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their A E (Bert) Roberts photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society of the time. His photographs are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb Co Museum), but which presently has travelled to Ipswich for a limited time. So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has. You can see what's been uploaded so far here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glas s_photo_collection My request to all of you, basically, is to: . Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much as possible. . Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where this content can be used, and use it. . Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits of making their collections available through Commons and other free media repositories! . Watch out and make sure the pages aren't vandalised, and any problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law. Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually *do* the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that. If you're interested (and preferably have some serious photography experience), let me know and I'll pass your details on. It's my hope that this will be but the first of many successful collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the country. I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in general. If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel free to ask me! Cheers, Craig Franklin ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- GN. http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/ ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
The copyfraud argument is basically - in their view, the item is under PD already so it is unethical for museums etc to licence it under any terms at all as they don't own them. However what that argument doesnt acknowledge is that the material may be PD but the hosting and preservation of it is the key element (as we discussed at GLAM) and the museum are providing us with freely available *digital copies* which are, within the terms of the licence, freely available and reusable worldwide. 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net Hi Peter, Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our own copies are fairly remote. I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous - QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the sweat of the brow doctrine would hold up in an Australian court. We only say that QM assert copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that particular claim. And because the digitisation part is then released under a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons. The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in Australia or the UK gets caught out. Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Ansell Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 9:00 AM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection Mmmm... I don't quite understand the technicalities involved, but they are licensing it under CC-BY-SA so the outcome of the license is definitely not a deletion candidate. In my naive opinion I might think the word copyfraud relates to the use of a more limited license on a copy of a completely freely available image. It does seem arbitrary to put on the extra attribution/share alike clause just so the museum can be recognised as the digitiser given that the museum doesn't technically have any copyright/legal rights over the use of the original image unless they do that. If an external institution wants to digitise PD images with strings attached then people will wikilawyer about it. If the original image is PD, could someone else get access to the PD image and provide a PD digitised copy or would museums use their powers to restrict access to an image just to keep the attribution aspect? Cheers, Peter 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net: It might just be the fact that I’ve not yet had my morning coffee, but under what grounds is he claiming it’s “copyfraud”? This is the sort of thing I was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion one of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working with us. Cheers, Craig F. From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Matt inbgn Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection This deletion discussion may be of some interest. Matt 2009/11/8 Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - i.e. they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM. 2009/11/7 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net Hi All, I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography during his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised as providing a unique view into the society
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Hi Peter, Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our own copies are fairly remote. I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous - QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the sweat of the brow doctrine would hold up in an Australian court. We only say that QM assert copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that particular claim. And because the digitisation part is then released under a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons. the template is here: [[commons:Template:QM_Infobox]] watchlist it! ;-) The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in Australia or the UK gets caught out. A similar example of a claim like this is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Cased_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_Unretouched_Color.jpg and the derivative http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phineas_Gage_Daguerreotype_WilgusPhoto2008-12-19_CroppedInsideMat_Unretouched_BW.jpg Legally we are better off having a CC image than a PD image - the definition of the latter can change. For cases like this, it would be nice to have a CC-0-digitised-attribution license which requires attribution of the digitiser, but does not assert copyright over it. nice work Craig! -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
