[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh
Hi Yohann, 1. I would like to know more about the fact that who was the inviting person for this informal meetup? Can you also share the record written invitation? 2. Since, this was something that not a part of the official program of the Wikimania, how was it deemed important enough to be attended? (For example, what if some random person (such as Bodhi) sends an invitation to (let's say Manav) attend and present about Punjabi Wikimedians UG at Asia Meetup at Wikimania 2019.) 3. Since, the invitation was one particular meetup, was the possibility of a remote participation considered? 2 WMIN representatives present at Wikimania (Krishna and Viswa) could also have presented with the help of the slides prepared by Rahul. 4. It would be great if the presentation can be shared on Commons, if it hasn't been done already (If it's there please provide a link). Also, it would be good if Rahul writes a report (if already not done) about his participation in the whole event, just like the scholarship attendees. (Just for information purposes, Punjabi UG has decided to ask all its representatives at all national and international events to prepare a report about their participation and to try and organize local events to pass on the learnings.) 5. Sadly no one knew of the availability of this kind of support from any organization. What Manav was saying that last year her session was selected for the official Wikimania program and she didn't know whether any support was available. 6. What should be the process for making such decisions in the future? Let's start thinking about this as this is not just about one particular incident but the decision making in the movement in general. I am sure this has been a good learning for the chapter. I believe ensuring transparency and adequate decision making process is very much required to ensure that the wider community's faith in our organizations remain intact. Regards Satdeep Gill On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 17:30, wrote: > Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Edit-a-thon during Indian independence day/week (Tito Dutta) >2. Re: Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh (Yohann Thomas) >3. Re: Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh (Jayantilal Kothari) >4. Re: Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh (Bodhisattwa Mandal) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 00:35:32 +0530 > From: Tito Dutta > To: Wikimedia India Community list > > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Edit-a-thon during Indian independence > day/week > Message-ID: > c7xgmk7yzxvdzquep...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > A couple of Indian communities have plan to conduct small edit-a-thons > during/around 15 August. As of now, I know about Marathi, Telugu, and > recently Hindi has added an event page. Today morning I was talking on > Wikidata India noticeboard on Wikidata label-a-thon. > > Perhaps you may have a look: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Indian_Independence_Day_2018_edit-a-thon > > Thanks > Tito Dutta > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind > me over email or phone call. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20180808/b298a607/attachment-0001.html > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 12:42:23 +0530 > From: Yohann Thomas > To: Bodhisattwa Mandal > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh > Message-ID: > < > cagj8y3m1b2relegjfmfheedko3p_bcyh_fyewuvkmxxfbee...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Bodhi > > I still feel, you haven't read my email word to word. I would request you > to go by the 24 hr email rule (if not more).. which I personally do many > times. > > Pardon my grammar & also my line to line reply, as I'm relying on my > phone.. Since I'm traveling..
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] New Indian partner now available through The Wikipedia Library
This is a great news. Thanks for sharing this. Best Satdeep On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:45 PM Sam Walton wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought you might be interested to know that free access to Economic & > Political Weekly (https://www.epw.in/) is now available through The > Wikipedia Library! Economic & Political Weekly is a social science journal > with archives dating back to 1949. > > You can apply now at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/71/ > > As an Indian organisation, with translations available in a number of > Indian languages, access is being prioritised for editors contributing to > topics related to India. > > Best, > Sam > > -- > Sam Walton > Program Officer, Citations > The Wikipedia Library > > s...@wikipedialibrary.org / swal...@wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] New Indian partner now available through The Wikipedia Library
Hi all, I thought you might be interested to know that free access to Economic & Political Weekly (https://www.epw.in/) is now available through The Wikipedia Library! Economic & Political Weekly is a social science journal with archives dating back to 1949. You can apply now at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/71/ As an Indian organisation, with translations available in a number of Indian languages, access is being prioritised for editors contributing to topics related to India. Best, Sam -- Sam Walton Program Officer, Citations The Wikipedia Library s...@wikipedialibrary.org / swal...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh
Hi Yohann, Thanks for the detailed reply. Much appreciated. So, to summarize your mail, WMIN president got written invitation to speak in the informal meeting of chairpersons during Wikimania and WMIN officially requested CIS-A2K to fund him to attend the meeting without depriving any Wikimedian in waiting list for scholarship and CIS-A2K funded him to attend the entire Wikimania. Right? So, according to WMIN, this was a valid request from WMIN to CIS-A2K, I presume, as you are defending about what WMIN did. Assuming good faith, I am believing all your words. Still, I don't understand, why only 1 volunteer in the waiting list attended the conference and next 2 in the queue were not funded. I am not talking about Jayanta Nath and Aliva Sahoo, they both declined, I am talking about the next 2 people in the queue. Also, can you please share the letter of invitation, so that we know, who sent the letter and everything becomes transparent. By the way, I never said, chairpersons meeting was any random meeting, I said it was informal meeting, like stewards meeting, asian meeting etc. Informal means which is not related to Wikimania official program, there is a difference between random and informal. Echoing Manavpreet's valid query, can a Wikimedia volunteer with no attachment to the chapter get similar special treatment of getting full funds to attend Wikimania even if he/she doesn't get a Wikimania scholarship but his/her presentation is selected and/or he/she gets official invitation to speak in an informal meeting during Wikimania. Now, from your answer, I hope there is no doubt about that volunteers will receive such special treatment, because after all, the chapter does not distinguish between board members and the volunteer community and we have a prior example of WMIN president to cite. That is a great news for the volunteer community as it opens up new opportunity for the communities to participate in the conference. Alas! this we didn't knew earlier, we could have sent more Wikimedians this year, but it's ok, the community will be informed for next year and I hope, more such requests will be sent to WMIN and CIS-A2K from volunteers in future. Of course, we will keep everything open and transparent, unlike this time. Thanks, Bodhisattwa On Wed, 8 Aug 2018, 12:42 Yohann Thomas, wrote: > Dear Bodhi > > I still feel, you haven't read my email word to word. I would request you > to go by the 24 hr email rule (if not more).. which I personally do many > times. > > Pardon my grammar & also my line to line reply, as I'm relying on my > phone.. Since I'm traveling.. > > I will again try to explain point wise (where ever possible) & try my best > to clear all doubts. > > 1) Mr Rahul Deshmukh, did not visit Wikimania, on scholarship, or to > simply attend a random meeting. He was invited to be one of the speakers. > You can find this on the agenda of it, during Wikimania.. followed by notes > which carry a description. The ‘Conflict Resolution’ theme on which he was > a speaker. This is generally a very long topic, on which Wikimedia > Affiliates intends to discuss and deliberate over a period of time. This > theme would be subsequently carried forward in upcoming Chairpersons Meetup > as well, as mentioned on the Meta. > > If your memory serves you right.. During the Wiki Conference India 2016, > where you were also one of the organizers (& the both of us deliberated on > various topics quite extensively) , several community members who had not > applied for the scholarship but had later approached CIS-A2K for the same > were awarded appropriately. > > CIS-A2K had later informed the community about this decision. > > In good faith, we assumed that, CIS-A2K did not inform the community > without having any specific interest in the exercise. Wikimedia India would > also like to place on record, that it could have initiated the process of > informing on its own. Wikimedia India would like to put on record, in times > to come not only it would inform the community but also engage with its > community members on decision making for such exercises. > > 2) Mr Rahul deshmukh had received an on record written invitation to > attend the meeting and be a speaker on ‘Conflict Resolution’. The above > said invitation was shown to CIS-A2K, when requesting them for travel > assistance. > > *I have not stated anywhere that he received an invitation during the > Chairpersons meeting at WMCON18*. He had attended Wikimedia Conference > 2018 & in it had participated in the movement strategy discussion. It was > during the movement strategy discussion that he received the invitation. > > 3)The chapter has full faith and belief in all its board members > in both, individual and collective levels. This invitation was to the > particular individual based on his expertise in the chapter and in > the movement. Chapter has never considered any of its board members unfit > to represent it. Personally, I feel Bodhi, it is
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh
Hello, I edit on Telugu Wikipedia & Wikidata. I generally only read and not write on mails. Why so much negativity taking place? Earlier it was about reports. When reports are there the issue is about meeting was not important. Let us is good faith assume that note has been taken and transparency in future will be maintained. Thanks, జయంతిలాల్ On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Yohann Thomas wrote: > Dear Bodhi > > I still feel, you haven't read my email word to word. I would request you > to go by the 24 hr email rule (if not more).. which I personally do many > times. > > Pardon my grammar & also my line to line reply, as I'm relying on my > phone.. Since I'm traveling.. > > I will again try to explain point wise (where ever possible) & try my best > to clear all doubts. > > 1) Mr Rahul Deshmukh, did not visit Wikimania, on scholarship, or to > simply attend a random meeting. He was invited to be one of the speakers. > You can find this on the agenda of it, during Wikimania.. followed by notes > which carry a description. The ‘Conflict Resolution’ theme on which he was > a speaker. This is generally a very long topic, on which Wikimedia > Affiliates intends to discuss and deliberate over a period of time. This > theme would be subsequently carried forward in upcoming Chairpersons Meetup > as well, as mentioned on the Meta. > > If your memory serves you right.. During the Wiki Conference India 2016, > where you were also one of the organizers (& the both of us deliberated on > various topics quite extensively) , several community members who had not > applied for the scholarship but had later approached CIS-A2K for the same > were awarded appropriately. > > CIS-A2K had later informed the community about this decision. > > In good faith, we assumed that, CIS-A2K did not inform the community > without having any specific interest in the exercise. Wikimedia India would > also like to place on record, that it could have initiated the process of > informing on its own. Wikimedia India would like to put on record, in times > to come not only it would inform the community but also engage with its > community members on decision making for such exercises. > > 2) Mr Rahul deshmukh had received an on record written invitation to > attend the meeting and be a speaker on ‘Conflict Resolution’. The above > said invitation was shown to CIS-A2K, when requesting them for travel > assistance. > > *I have not stated anywhere that he received an invitation during the > Chairpersons meeting at WMCON18*. He had attended Wikimedia Conference > 2018 & in it had participated in the movement strategy discussion. It was > during the movement strategy discussion that he received the invitation. > > 3)The chapter has full faith and belief in all its board members > in both, individual and collective levels. This invitation was to the > particular individual based on his expertise in the chapter and in > the movement. Chapter has never considered any of its board members unfit > to represent it. Personally, I feel Bodhi, it is very unfair on your part, > to even make such allegation that the chapter would even, consider such > a scenario. A well wisher of the chapter would never make such comments. > > 4) The Chapter is not of an opinion that the community members should be > deprived of scholarship. Wikimedia India would like to put emphasis that > during its grant tenure, Wikimedia India used to provide two sponsorship to > its community members & we value the joy, which a volunteer gets, when he > is informed that, he is going to Wikimania. > > However, in this scenario , none was deprived on anything. As I have > repeatedly said, Mr Rahul Deshmukh was invited to attend and give a talk on > conflict resolution. Since it was about the affiliates & partnerships > amongst them, the chapter approached another affiliate CIS-A2K and CCing > the chapter board members > > 5) The Chapter does not make any distinction between its board members and > its community members. Unlike CIS-A2K, Wikimedia India board members are > unpaid volunteers, similar to its community members, who give their time & > effort towards the community. > > To Sum the entire email, the chapter has made a valuable learning, of > engaging the community in a more effective way in the future. > > Regards, > Yohann Thomas > Secretary > Wikimedia India > > P.S. - Neither your previous email, or any other email can affect our > friendship, Bodhi .Our passion & commitment towards the movement, is what > binds us :) > > > On Sun 5 Aug, 2018, 12:27 Bodhisattwa Mandal, > wrote: > >> Hi Yohann, >> >> Thanks for your reply, much appreciated. >> >> >> I have read your previous e-mail very carefully, without missing a single >> word. >> >> My question still stands. Many apologies, if I have not been able to make >> it clear in my previous mails, so I am adding some more perspective. >> >> 1) Chairpersons meeting in Wikimania is informal. It's not related to the
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh
Dear Bodhi I still feel, you haven't read my email word to word. I would request you to go by the 24 hr email rule (if not more).. which I personally do many times. Pardon my grammar & also my line to line reply, as I'm relying on my phone.. Since I'm traveling.. I will again try to explain point wise (where ever possible) & try my best to clear all doubts. 1) Mr Rahul Deshmukh, did not visit Wikimania, on scholarship, or to simply attend a random meeting. He was invited to be one of the speakers. You can find this on the agenda of it, during Wikimania.. followed by notes which carry a description. The ‘Conflict Resolution’ theme on which he was a speaker. This is generally a very long topic, on which Wikimedia Affiliates intends to discuss and deliberate over a period of time. This theme would be subsequently carried forward in upcoming Chairpersons Meetup as well, as mentioned on the Meta. If your memory serves you right.. During the Wiki Conference India 2016, where you were also one of the organizers (& the both of us deliberated on various topics quite extensively) , several community members who had not applied for the scholarship but had later approached CIS-A2K for the same were awarded appropriately. CIS-A2K had later informed the community about this decision. In good faith, we assumed that, CIS-A2K did not inform the community without having any specific interest in the exercise. Wikimedia India would also like to place on record, that it could have initiated the process of informing on its own. Wikimedia India would like to put on record, in times to come not only it would inform the community but also engage with its community members on decision making for such exercises. 2) Mr Rahul deshmukh had received an on record written invitation to attend the meeting and be a speaker on ‘Conflict Resolution’. The above said invitation was shown to CIS-A2K, when requesting them for travel assistance. *I have not stated anywhere that he received an invitation during the Chairpersons meeting at WMCON18*. He had attended Wikimedia Conference 2018 & in it had participated in the movement strategy discussion. It was during the movement strategy discussion that he received the invitation. 3)The chapter has full faith and belief in all its board members in both, individual and collective levels. This invitation was to the particular individual based on his expertise in the chapter and in the movement. Chapter has never considered any of its board members unfit to represent it. Personally, I feel Bodhi, it is very unfair on your part, to even make such allegation that the chapter would even, consider such a scenario. A well wisher of the chapter would never make such comments. 4) The Chapter is not of an opinion that the community members should be deprived of scholarship. Wikimedia India would like to put emphasis that during its grant tenure, Wikimedia India used to provide two sponsorship to its community members & we value the joy, which a volunteer gets, when he is informed that, he is going to Wikimania. However, in this scenario , none was deprived on anything. As I have repeatedly said, Mr Rahul Deshmukh was invited to attend and give a talk on conflict resolution. Since it was about the affiliates & partnerships amongst them, the chapter approached another affiliate CIS-A2K and CCing the chapter board members 5) The Chapter does not make any distinction between its board members and its community members. Unlike CIS-A2K, Wikimedia India board members are unpaid volunteers, similar to its community members, who give their time & effort towards the community. To Sum the entire email, the chapter has made a valuable learning, of engaging the community in a more effective way in the future. Regards, Yohann Thomas Secretary Wikimedia India P.S. - Neither your previous email, or any other email can affect our friendship, Bodhi .Our passion & commitment towards the movement, is what binds us :) On Sun 5 Aug, 2018, 12:27 Bodhisattwa Mandal, wrote: > Hi Yohann, > > Thanks for your reply, much appreciated. > > > I have read your previous e-mail very carefully, without missing a single > word. > > My question still stands. Many apologies, if I have not been able to make > it clear in my previous mails, so I am adding some more perspective. > > 1) Chairpersons meeting in Wikimania is informal. It's not related to the > main program of Wikimania. For example, like many other informal meetups, > there happens to be a steward meetup every year in Wikimania. Now, if one > steward, who have not received scholarship, is invited in the meetup, then > he/she will have to spend his own money to attend the meeting. Same > principle lies here, participation for chairpersons meetup is not > eligibility criteria to gain a scholarship as it is an informal meetup. Can > you please provide some documentation, where it is written that scholarship > would be provided to attend informal meetups?
