[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: India grants and communication to Wikimediaindia-l
I strongly oppose this Idea, once again. Some more reasons are listed below: - This thread or any such future thread in no way represents Indian Wikimedia communities. For example, there are tens of Wikipedians who don't know that Tito proposed an idea to "Major Indian grant requests should come to India mailing list" & also trying to make it "mandatory". This list excludes several Indian Wikimedians who never voiced in this list. Essentially, this would increase barriers for community members instead of reducing it. - It would be an interesting idea for Tito individually or CIS-A2K institutionally to conduct a small study to map platforms that Indian language wikimedians discuss & understand how much they are missing/present in this "so called Indian mailing list". I believe several Wikimedians who are doing a lot of work on wikis are not here. - Instead of mandating grantees to publish their grant here and hoping that the members of the thread would follow some of the "best practices" which are very hard to impose, It would be better to see someone (not grantee, ofcourse) post links of relevant grants and encourage interested members of this list to comment on talk page itself. - You mentioned "excessive canvassing, votestacking, back-scratching, meatpuppetry" but not harassment, mockery, attacking grantees, etc., But, a range of policy violations do happen in mailing lists, and people easily got away with it. I don't see value in mandating people to have a discourse on Non-wiki platforms and then try to impose policies which are very difficult. This difficulty can not be mitigated after a level because this is not our platform (off-wiki platform). I see this as a futile exercise. - Food for thought: If we start asking people to post in mailing list, why not fb groups and whatsapp groups? Where should we start when we mandate using an off-wiki platform as an official channel for users? Is it just because some of us who are elite enough believe this as a decent platform? I just mentioned some of my objections in this mail and not articulate enough. But, please consider this idea is not acceptable for me and may be for many of the Wikimedians who are not still in this list. Until there is some sort of wider-discussion, consensus backed by strong study, This list is and should be just another useful discussion forum, nothing more and nothing less. Thanks, Pavan. 29 డిసెం, 2021, బుధ 10:31కి, Tito Dutta ఇలా వ్రాసారు: > Hello, > After the launch of the current grant process, formation of the Regional > Grants Committee, announcement and commencement of round 1 applications, it > is probably good to revisit this thread. I hope that the Wikimedia > Foundation grants team and Regional Grants Committee (SAARC) would kindly > consider these over-all process-related notes. > > Here are a few observations about the "over-all process"— > A > 1) Major Indian grant requests should come to India mailing list. The term > "major" can be defined by an amount (more than "₹" amount) or any other > criteria (region coverage, project coverage, duration etc). Possibly RGC > (SAARC) can kindly set up criteria? > 2) I would suggest separate email threads for "major" grant requests, > however if this list gets too many emails, I would suggest to please send > at least a digest email clearly briefing the grant proposals. > 3) Please consider making this step a mandatory one, and mark applications > "invalid" or "incomplete" unless the step is properly done. > 4) This should not be done only as formality, and the community should be > allowed at least 7 to 10 days' time to comment. I would request RGC to > start reviewing only after this period. > 5) There might be moderation and other issues in the list, and can be > handled separately. > > B > 1) Please consider working on an "Appropriate notification/canvassing > policy" (or guideline). This can be a document covering best practices, and > also possible inappropriate behaviours such as excessive canvassing, > votestacking, back-scratching, meatpuppetry etc. Please see a similar > thread I started on Wikimedia-l at [1] > 2) It would be good to have a direct communication option with RGC > (SAARC). I suggest kindly make this on-wiki. Possibly this can be created > in form of a noticeboard at Grants_talk:Regions/SAARC or at > Grants:Regions/SAARC/Noticeboard > > This or similar process may be replicated in other SAARC countries such as > Bangladesh, Nepal, and other regions also depending on the relevant > community request. > > I'll be happy to voluntarily add inputs or work on any of the things > mentioned above such as A1, B1 etc. > > Thanks, > User:Titodutta > (In volunteer capacity) > > Footnotes > [1] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/OUHBTWFZSPAG6V42AFBI56WBTIMRA3FX/#OUHBTWFZSPAG6V42AFBI56WBTIMRA3FX > > >
[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: India grants and communication to Wikimediaindia-l
Hello, After the launch of the current grant process, formation of the Regional Grants Committee, announcement and commencement of round 1 applications, it is probably good to revisit this thread. I hope that the Wikimedia Foundation grants team and Regional Grants Committee (SAARC) would kindly consider these over-all process-related notes. Here are a few observations about the "over-all process"— A 1) Major Indian grant requests should come to India mailing list. The term "major" can be defined by an amount (more than "₹" amount) or any other criteria (region coverage, project coverage, duration etc). Possibly RGC (SAARC) can kindly set up criteria? 2) I would suggest separate email threads for "major" grant requests, however if this list gets too many emails, I would suggest to please send at least a digest email clearly briefing the grant proposals. 3) Please consider making this step a mandatory one, and mark applications "invalid" or "incomplete" unless the step is properly done. 4) This should not be done only as formality, and the community should be allowed at least 7 to 10 days' time to comment. I would request RGC to start reviewing only after this period. 5) There might be moderation and other issues in the list, and can be handled separately. B 1) Please consider working on an "Appropriate notification/canvassing policy" (or guideline). This can be a document covering best practices, and also possible inappropriate behaviours such as excessive canvassing, votestacking, back-scratching, meatpuppetry etc. Please see a similar thread I started on Wikimedia-l at [1] 2) It would be good to have a direct communication option with RGC (SAARC). I suggest kindly make this on-wiki. Possibly this can be created in form of a noticeboard at Grants_talk:Regions/SAARC or at Grants:Regions/SAARC/Noticeboard This or similar process may be replicated in other SAARC countries such as Bangladesh, Nepal, and other regions also depending on the relevant community request. I'll be happy to voluntarily add inputs or work on any of the things mentioned above such as A1, B1 etc. Thanks, User:Titodutta (In volunteer capacity) Footnotes [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/OUHBTWFZSPAG6V42AFBI56WBTIMRA3FX/#OUHBTWFZSPAG6V42AFBI56WBTIMRA3FX রবি, ১০ জানু, ২০২১ তারিখে ১০:৫৫ AM টায় তারিখে Tito Dutta < trulyt...@gmail.com> লিখেছেন: > Namaskara, > This might be some food for thought, and inputs are welcome. India mailing > list is the largest and most widely used Wikimedia mailing list for the > Indian community. Could we have a practice that all grant requests from the > country (or related to) are informed on the Wikimediaindia-l mailing list? > > Whether it is a state-level, project-level, language-level etc, or whether > it is a rapid grant, project grant etc it would be good to see the plan > details on this mailing list in advance. It will ensure greater visibility, > and it will also ensure the community's understanding/knowing of each > other's projects. > > If we can have a practice like this, we can inform Wikimedia, or CR team > or relevant support structure(s) as an India community practice. > > This post is in my personal capacity. Please assume good faith > Regards, > User:Titodutta > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Grants:Programs/Wikimedia Community Fund/Youth Skill Development Program to Document Oral Culture in Endangered Indian Languages
Hello, For more perspective on the new grant proposal, - Here are my concerns - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages#Observarions_and_questions_from_Bodhisattwa - Here is the feedback from the grants committee - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages#Feedback_by_the_SAARC_Regional_Grants_Committee Regards, Bodhisattwa On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 20:16, Nitesh Gill wrote: > Hello again, > > We are seeking volunteers from North India and North-East India or those > who have actively worked in these regions to join us in this project. You > can sign-up at the section at the bottom of the project page: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages#Volunteer_Sign-Up > > Regards > Nitesh & Amrit > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 8:00 PM Nitesh Gill wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> *This email was sent from Amrit's account but has not been approved yet. >> Apologies in advance for overwhelming the mailing list in case the other >> email is also approved.* >> >> I am pleased to inform you that Amrit and I have prepared a toolkit for >> transcription of oral culture which enables non-expert to document their >> language and culture and digitize them on Wikimedia platforms. We have >> built upon the OpenSpeaks toolkit and Elicitation Protocol of Wikitongues >> in order to provide a unified toolkit with content on technical knowledge, >> oral history elicitation interview questions, wiki workflow and >> introduction to language documentation. The volunteers who tested this >> toolkit were mostly female, thus forwarding our aim of inclusivity as an >> aim of this project. We request you to go through the toolkit on the >> following page: >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oral_Culture_Transcription_Toolkit >> >> >> >> Please share your ideas and recommendations on it on the Discussion page >> of the toolkit. >> >> Further, we are planning to utilize this toolkit in the new project that >> we have proposed. In this project, we plan to teach youths speaking >> endangered languages to document their culture, hold workshops for training >> in audio-visual documentation and train them for the wiki workflow. We >> would love to hear from you on this plan of ours, your suggestions are very >> welcome. Also, if you are interested to participate or volunteer in this >> project, do let us know on the talk page or via email. We are sharing the >> link to this project below: >> >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages >> >> >> We are also inviting volunteers to join this project in any capacity. >> Feel free to add your name to the Volunteers section on the project page. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Nitesh and Amrit >> >> ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Grants:Programs/Wikimedia Community Fund/Youth Skill Development Program to Document Oral Culture in Endangered Indian Languages
Hello again, We are seeking volunteers from North India and North-East India or those who have actively worked in these regions to join us in this project. You can sign-up at the section at the bottom of the project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages#Volunteer_Sign-Up Regards Nitesh & Amrit On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 8:00 PM Nitesh Gill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > *This email was sent from Amrit's account but has not been approved yet. > Apologies in advance for overwhelming the mailing list in case the other > email is also approved.* > > I am pleased to inform you that Amrit and I have prepared a toolkit for > transcription of oral culture which enables non-expert to document their > language and culture and digitize them on Wikimedia platforms. We have > built upon the OpenSpeaks toolkit and Elicitation Protocol of Wikitongues > in order to provide a unified toolkit with content on technical knowledge, > oral history elicitation interview questions, wiki workflow and > introduction to language documentation. The volunteers who tested this > toolkit were mostly female, thus forwarding our aim of inclusivity as an > aim of this project. We request you to go through the toolkit on the > following page: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oral_Culture_Transcription_Toolkit > > > > Please share your ideas and recommendations on it on the Discussion page > of the toolkit. > > Further, we are planning to utilize this toolkit in the new project that > we have proposed. In this project, we plan to teach youths speaking > endangered languages to document their culture, hold workshops for training > in audio-visual documentation and train them for the wiki workflow. We > would love to hear from you on this plan of ours, your suggestions are very > welcome. Also, if you are interested to participate or volunteer in this > project, do let us know on the talk page or via email. We are sharing the > link to this project below: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages > > > We are also inviting volunteers to join this project in any capacity. Feel > free to add your name to the Volunteers section on the project page. > > > Regards > > Nitesh and Amrit > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
[Wikimediaindia-l] Grants:Programs/Wikimedia Community Fund/Youth Skill Development Program to Document Oral Culture in Endangered Indian Languages
Hi everyone, *This email was sent from Amrit's account but has not been approved yet. Apologies in advance for overwhelming the mailing list in case the other email is also approved.* I am pleased to inform you that Amrit and I have prepared a toolkit for transcription of oral culture which enables non-expert to document their language and culture and digitize them on Wikimedia platforms. We have built upon the OpenSpeaks toolkit and Elicitation Protocol of Wikitongues in order to provide a unified toolkit with content on technical knowledge, oral history elicitation interview questions, wiki workflow and introduction to language documentation. The volunteers who tested this toolkit were mostly female, thus forwarding our aim of inclusivity as an aim of this project. We request you to go through the toolkit on the following page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oral_Culture_Transcription_Toolkit Please share your ideas and recommendations on it on the Discussion page of the toolkit. Further, we are planning to utilize this toolkit in the new project that we have proposed. In this project, we plan to teach youths speaking endangered languages to document their culture, hold workshops for training in audio-visual documentation and train them for the wiki workflow. We would love to hear from you on this plan of ours, your suggestions are very welcome. Also, if you are interested to participate or volunteer in this project, do let us know on the talk page or via email. We are sharing the link to this project below: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Youth_Skill_Development_Program_to_Document_Oral_Culture_in_Endangered_Indian_Languages We are also inviting volunteers to join this project in any capacity. Feel free to add your name to the Volunteers section on the project page. Regards Nitesh and Amrit ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
