[WikimediaIndia-l] Re: WikimediaIndia-l Digest, Vol 2341, Issue 1
(Reposting with minor corrections*) Dear All, It is very disturbing to see this kind of language for a past president of Wikimedia Foundation's India Chapter! I do not want to go into merits of stands each one are having (for the sake of argument, let's even believe that Sudhanwa sir is wrong here), but this kind of language is not our heritage is for sure! This could have been said in a better way too without accusations (please note once we start accusing, we cannot cry foul when another person accuses us in return). I strongly condemn all these baseless accusations. I know Sudhanwa sir in person and it will take many lives for us to understand his greatness and his contribution to Wikipedia and Open Source movement! (BTW he is pioneer of FOSS activities in Pune). He is so great that I also do not know his greatness in totality. I have understood it in bits and pieces these things indirectly, because he does not tell them by his own mouth. This kind of thinking (pacifying) is definitely not mine and I have learned it from Mahatma Gandhi from his book titled 'My Non Violence' which can be found on this <https://www.mkgandhi.org/mynonviolence/my_nonviolence.htm>link. It is freely available in public domain. I strongly suggest people to read. Thanking you, Yours sincerely, -- *Dr. Abhijeet Safai* (Election Committee Member of Wikimedia Foundation's India Chapter Elections in 2017) -- *Dr. Abhijeet Safai* *Certified Base SAS Programmer* *SAS Certified Clinical Trials Programmer* On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:51 AM medhavi gandhi wrote: > Dear Sudhanwa, > > As the founder of The Heritage Lab, your email came across as very amusing > to me. > > Allow me to elaborate -- in the "heritage labs" (gosh, I wish you would > get the name right at least) - we don't "build heritage". Actually heritage > refers to something we "inherit". What we do is create ways for people to > access and engage with that inheritance, specifically cultural inheritance. > > I would normally pass off your response as a very typical > 'troll-behaviour' one, and ignore it -- but you're a member of the Wiki > community and I find it important therefore to urge you to understand terms > such as *post-colonial and post-independence*. The post-colonial period > typically begins with independence but the challenges and issues faced by > India in these phases can be distinct -- post colonialism often involves > addressing the specific legacies of colonialism (ones that we continue to > suffer today). > > I'm usually up for a debate - but why I find your response to be typical > of "Troll behaviour" is that *your comment lacks any research on our work > *-- you simply tried to discredit us and "rant". When you use words like > "seems like" -- you make it very clear that you could not be bothered > enough to check the link and understand if we have at all covered ancient > India / or other "thousands of years of history, culture and heritage" in > other ways. If you had indeed bothered, you would probably come across some > interesting stories - like one about a 2000 year old artefact clicked by a > Wiki-community member during our campaign last year. > > *What I find shameful *about this entire exchange is that you, a > Wikipedian -- who is meant to check for reliable citations before editing a > Wiki page and is meant to gather information in an appropriate manner in > order to spread knowledge, couldn't even cross check before writing an > email to the entire list. > > I wish you better mental health and positivity this festive season. There > is enough hatred in this world and we don't need more of this behaviour. > > Thanks, anyway. > Medhavi > > > > ᐧ > ᐧ > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 at 13:04, > wrote: > >> Send WikimediaIndia-l mailing list submissions to >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of WikimediaIndia-l digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Invitation for Wiki contests and fellowship by The Heritage Lab >> (Satdeep Gill) >>2. Re: Invitation for Wiki contests and fellowship by The Heritage Lab >> (Sudhanwa Jogalekar) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 08:21:57 +0530 >> From: Satdeep Gill >&
[WikimediaIndia-l] Re: WikimediaIndia-l Digest, Vol 2341, Issue 1
Dear All, It is very disturbing to see this kind of language for a past president of Wikimedia Foundation's India Chapter! I do not want to go into merits of stands each one are having (for the sake of argument, let's even believe that Sudhanwa sir is wrong here), but this kind of language is not our heritage is for sure! This could have been said in a better way too without accusations (please note once we start accusing, we cannot cry foul when another person accuses us in return). I strongly condemn all these baseless accusations. I know Sudhanwa sir in person and it will take many lives for us his greatness and his contribution to Wikipedia and Open Source movement! (BTW he is pioneer of FOSS activities in Pune). He is so great that I also do not know his greatness in totality. I have understood it in bits and pieces these things indirectly, because he does not tell them by his own mouth. This kind of thinking is definitely not mine and I have learned it from Mahatma Gandhi from his book titled 'My Non Violence' which can he found on this <https://www.mkgandhi.org/mynonviolence/my_nonviolence.htm>link. It is freely available in public domain. Thanking you, Yours sincerely, -- *Dr. Abhijeet Safai* (Election Committee Member of Wikimedia Foundation's India Chapter Elections in 2017) On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:51 AM medhavi gandhi wrote: > Dear Sudhanwa, > > As the founder of The Heritage Lab, your email came across as very amusing > to me. > > Allow me to elaborate -- in the "heritage labs" (gosh, I wish you would > get the name right at least) - we don't "build heritage". Actually heritage > refers to something we "inherit". What we do is create ways for people to > access and engage with that inheritance, specifically cultural inheritance. > > I would normally pass off your response as a very typical > 'troll-behaviour' one, and ignore it -- but you're a member of the Wiki > community and I find it important therefore to urge you to understand terms > such as *post-colonial and post-independence*. The post-colonial period > typically begins with independence but the challenges and issues faced by > India in these phases can be distinct -- post colonialism often involves > addressing the specific legacies of colonialism (ones that we continue to > suffer today). > > I'm usually up for a debate - but why I find your response to be typical > of "Troll behaviour" is that *your comment lacks any research on our work > *-- you simply tried to discredit us and "rant". When you use words like > "seems like" -- you make it very clear that you could not be bothered > enough to check the link and understand if we have at all covered ancient > India / or other "thousands of years of history, culture and heritage" in > other ways. If you had indeed bothered, you would probably come across some > interesting stories - like one about a 2000 year old artefact clicked by a > Wiki-community member during our campaign last year. > > *What I find shameful *about this entire exchange is that you, a > Wikipedian -- who is meant to check for reliable citations before editing a > Wiki page and is meant to gather information in an appropriate manner in > order to spread knowledge, couldn't even cross check before writing an > email to the entire list. > > I wish you better mental health and positivity this festive season. There > is enough hatred in this world and we don't need more of this behaviour. > > Thanks, anyway. > Medhavi > > > > ᐧ > ᐧ > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 at 13:04, > wrote: > >> Send WikimediaIndia-l mailing list submissions to >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of WikimediaIndia-l digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Invitation for Wiki contests and fellowship by The Heritage Lab >> (Satdeep Gill) >>2. Re: Invitation for Wiki contests and fellowship by The Heritage Lab >> (Sudhanwa Jogalekar) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 08:21:57 +0530 >> From: Satdeep Gill >> Subject: [WikimediaIndia-l] Invitation for Wiki contests and >> fellowship by The Heritage Lab >> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Message-ID: >> Conten
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mahatma Gandhi mini-edit-a-thon 2020
Thanks a lot for sharing! I will be highly interested. Thanks once again. -- *Dr. Abhijeet Safai* *Certified Base SAS Programmer* *SAS Certified Clinical Trials Programmer* On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 5:37 PM Nitesh Gill wrote: > Hello, > Greetings from CIS-A2K, hope this email finds you well. On 2 and 3 October > during Mahatma Gandhi's birth anniversary, we are planning to conduct a > wiki-event. This is an edit-a-thon on Mahatma Gandhi and his works and the > event is not restricted to any particular project. > > Please see the event page here: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi_2020_edit-a-thon > > If you are interested to contribute please participate. You may also share > the news and ask others to participate. > > Thank You > Nitesh > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fundraising in India - Launched
Dear All, Greetings! I do not understand much about money but I know that accountability of the money is very important because money is never only money. People's feelings are associated with it. Thank you. -- *Dr. Abhijeet Safai* *Certified Base SAS Programmer* *SAS Certified Clinical Trials Programmer* On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:57 PM Ritwik Agarwal wrote: > If I am allowed to add my suggestions here, I saw many wiki talk articles > which blatantly points out that some view points are explicitly not > mentioned in wiki information because the editors simply don't want it to > include making the open source platform itself to be biased.Many people > around me hesitate to donate to wiki because they say they have to look at > other sources after reading on wiki because it covers only selected > publications.I hope this gets addressed. > Thanks > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 11:14 PM Abhinav srivastava > wrote: > >> Dear WMF Functionaries, >> >> There is a lot of negativity happening around us in India. Be it print, >> digital or social media. Society is asking a lot many questions and safety >> remains a very important concern at the moment. >> >> Concerns were also raised during the fundraising test but it seems WMF >> denied any audience then [1] and even today on this very thread. >> >> May I request WMF to atleast acknowledge the conversations. More strength >> to all of us. >> >> Abhinav >> >> [1] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2020-February/014496.html >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 07:56, Nitesh Gill wrote: >> >>> +1 and I agree with others. I am working on Wikipedia from last five >>> years and during my journey I just felt we are here for each other. I will >>> go through with Bodhi's point that we are facing these difficult times due >>> to COVID-19 and cases are increasing day by day in India, as all know. >>> It's time to do something for voulnteers from WMF and relize them that >>> there existence is valuablिe or important. The on-grounded events have been >>> shut down because of COVID-19 and foundation can plan something for >>> volunteers without any demand from them because everyone (needy people) >>> needs the attention from WMF and this is more important than anything else. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Nitesh >>> >>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 4:12 am Bodhisattwa Mandal, < >>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 to everything that others said. We are getting negative reactions >>>> from readers everywhere. No doubt, it's a bad design with a very >>>> unacceptable tone to ask for money. In the midst of COVID-19 crisis, it's a >>>> very bad timing too. >>>> >>>> Being active on non-Wikipedia projects, this donation campaign does not >>>> concern me at all, but for our Indian Wikipedia editors, there is an >>>> extremely serious safety concern. Hope you have all noticed this article >>>> and can understand the gravity of the situation. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://theprint.in/india/biased-anti-hindu-campaign-begins-against-wikipedia-after-it-urges-indians-to-donate/472980/ >>>> >>>> So, Indian Wikipedia editors, please stay low and stay safe. This is >>>> WMF campaign and it is definitely not worth to risk our own lives and >>>> families for this. Personally, I am telling people to ask WMF fundraising >>>> team directly when people are asking for explanations from me. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> (As a non-Wikipedia volunteer worried about our vulnerable Wikipedia >>>> community members) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 00:48 Suyash Dwivedi wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1Balaji >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Er. Suyash Dwivedi (pronouns - he/his/him) >>>>> (U:Suyash.dwivedi) >>>>> suyash@gmail.com >>>>> IST (Indian Standard Time) UTC+5:30 >>>>> --Sent from my mobile device >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 11:45 PM balaji wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mostly of people asked of if the donation notice was geninue or scam. >>>>>> Since they know I am closely associated with wikipedia movement they >>>>>> asked >>>>>> me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sudden popup of donation notice seems like a spam or hacking
