Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hi Tito, I would to add to what Pavan and Ashwin said. Firstly I agree with both of them, stressing the fact that community-based selection process is not ideal for all the communities. This is for several reasons; - There may be users who are only contributing to the main spaces without much interaction with other contributors (comparatively new users). In such cases, these users can be good potential participants for such training, but eliminating them on the basis that they are not able to start a discussion on village pump is not fair. - *Comparatively *new users would be hesitant to start such discussion. Also there may be users who haven't ever been to a real life Wiki-event, and such mandates will only worsen and dampen their interest and changes to interact with the broader community. - Not every user is comfortable to participate in discussions of this sort (non-content related). I have come across a lot of users who actively participate in content related discussions, but never in this kind of stuff. Now starting such discussions and they being main subject of that will be a big no-no for them. - As Pavan said, there is also a factor community health. Not all communities in India are neutral towards all users. We have witnessed disrupted power dynamics, and these conversations will worsen them. With all these points, I am not advocating that community discussions/endorsements are not important, they are, but not in this case. When a major project is being planned it comes up to the relevant communities, and discussions take place. But for an individual to participate in a training, such stuff give unnecessary burden. I remember this conversation coming up when we hosted TTT 2019 in Visakhapatnam. It was decided that we will have a place for this in the form, but not make it mandatory. I would like to conclude saying that this is a not the best way to do it, and making it mandatory is not at all fair. Best, Krishna Chaitanya On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:29 AM Tito Dutta wrote: > Hello, > There are various opinion on this. On one hand, we have received feedback > not supporting community selection on village pump. On the other hand, we > have also got a several feedback and suggestions. > Thanks for adding your input on this. We have noted these. Additional > comment from other Wikimedians are welcome. > > > Thanks > Tito Dutta > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind > me over email or phone call. > > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 08:10, Ashwin Baindur > wrote: > >> Pavan, thanks for your input. You do make a valid point. Selection by >> community where the community spirit is absent is likely to throw up >> unsuitable candidates because the selection is now based on group dynamics >> and we have all seen how wrong that can go. >> >> If CIS A2K is providing Advanced Wikisource workshop, it is good for >> asking help from prospective host communities to host the event, but not >> selection of suitable candidates. That is the prerogative and >> responsibility of CIS A2K. The easiest way for a program to go downhill is >> to choose less suitable candidates over more deserving ones. That process >> necessarily must have both subjective and objective inputs. The objective >> inputs can come from the demonstrated body of work, the subjective has to >> be based on long term interaction with editors and get the community inputs. >> >> Please note there is a difference between community inputs vs asking >> community to select. >> >> I urge that this aspect be rethought out and taken into consideration. >> Since our WikiSource community is essentially small, our resources limited >> and WikiSource is volunteer effort driven, it is imperative that the most >> suitable candidates be chosen. >> >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, 8:52 PM pavan santhosh >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Jayanta, >>> >>> I would like to appreciate you and team for planning and rolling out >>> this training. Along with that, I would also like to raise a major concern >>> which is unrelated to bidding but is more about program design. >>> >>> Meta page about this event says that "The selection [of participants] >>> will be done by each Indic Wikisource community.". Apart from all good >>> intentions behind this process, I would like to point out that in many >>> cases this is likely to create barriers for participation. >>> >>>- *Communities with community health issues: *For some communities >>>which are having community health issues, this will only result in >>> further >>>damage. >>>- *Even for remaining healthy communities:* Even in those >>>communities, I would like to point out to you that there are still >>> several >>>community members who never felt comfortable in commenting or posting >>>anything in their respective village pumps, in almost all languages. >>> >>> At large, this approach is going to be counter productive to
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hello, There are various opinion on this. On one hand, we have received feedback not supporting community selection on village pump. On the other hand, we have also got a several feedback and suggestions. Thanks for adding your input on this. We have noted these. Additional comment from other Wikimedians are welcome. Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call. On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 08:10, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > Pavan, thanks for your input. You do make a valid point. Selection by > community where the community spirit is absent is likely to throw up > unsuitable candidates because the selection is now based on group dynamics > and we have all seen how wrong that can go. > > If CIS A2K is providing Advanced Wikisource workshop, it is good for > asking help from prospective host communities to host the event, but not > selection of suitable candidates. That is the prerogative and > responsibility of CIS A2K. The easiest way for a program to go downhill is > to choose less suitable candidates over more deserving ones. That process > necessarily must have both subjective and objective inputs. The objective > inputs can come from the demonstrated body of work, the subjective has to > be based on long term interaction with editors and get the community inputs. > > Please note there is a difference between community inputs vs asking > community to select. > > I urge that this aspect be rethought out and taken into consideration. > Since our WikiSource community is essentially small, our resources limited > and WikiSource is volunteer effort driven, it is imperative that the most > suitable candidates be chosen. > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, 8:52 PM pavan santhosh > wrote: > >> Hello Jayanta, >> >> I would like to appreciate you and team for planning and rolling out this >> training. Along with that, I would also like to raise a major concern which >> is unrelated to bidding but is more about program design. >> >> Meta page about this event says that "The selection [of participants] >> will be done by each Indic Wikisource community.". Apart from all good >> intentions behind this process, I would like to point out that in many >> cases this is likely to create barriers for participation. >> >>- *Communities with community health issues: *For some communities >>which are having community health issues, this will only result in further >>damage. >>- *Even for remaining healthy communities:* Even in those >>communities, I would like to point out to you that there are still several >>community members who never felt comfortable in commenting or posting >>anything in their respective village pumps, in almost all languages. >> >> At large, this approach is going to be counter productive to community >> members who by nature are not so social. And we can not exclude them. Also, >> in some cases, this will give more power to power networks and structures >> which can result more exclusion. At large this is structurally creating a >> way for exclusion. >> >> Apart from my stand, I would like to acknowledge that I feel this process >> is considered to set up to increase accountability in participants and >> improve community involvement and agency. But, I believe we can find other >> ways to solve issues with accountability. I can, with all due respect to >> the people who thought out the process and people who suggested this, >> strongly say this is not acceptable way to deal with accountability >> question or for that matter even the question of improving community >> collaboration. >> >> Best, >> Pavan. >> >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:23 PM Jayanta Nath >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Wikimedians, >>> >>> It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance >>> Training 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 >>> October & 13 October 2019. >>> >>> >>> >>> Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned >>> for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we >>> focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, >>> India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been >>> conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. >>> >>> This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in >>> hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following >>> link for proposal for hosting at their city: >>> >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids >>> >>> It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request >>> to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate >>> section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. >>> >>> Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you have any questions, please let us know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>>
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Pavan, thanks for your input. You do make a valid point. Selection by community where the community spirit is absent is likely to throw up unsuitable candidates because the selection is now based on group dynamics and we have all seen how wrong that can go. If CIS A2K is providing Advanced Wikisource workshop, it is good for asking help from prospective host communities to host the event, but not selection of suitable candidates. That is the prerogative and responsibility of CIS A2K. The easiest way for a program to go downhill is to choose less suitable candidates over more deserving ones. That process necessarily must have both subjective and objective inputs. The objective inputs can come from the demonstrated body of work, the subjective has to be based on long term interaction with editors and get the community inputs. Please note there is a difference between community inputs vs asking community to select. I urge that this aspect be rethought out and taken into consideration. Since our WikiSource community is essentially small, our resources limited and WikiSource is volunteer effort driven, it is imperative that the most suitable candidates be chosen. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, 8:52 PM pavan santhosh wrote: > Hello Jayanta, > > I would like to appreciate you and team for planning and rolling out this > training. Along with that, I would also like to raise a major concern which > is unrelated to bidding but is more about program design. > > Meta page about this event says that "The selection [of participants] will > be done by each Indic Wikisource community.". Apart from all good > intentions behind this process, I would like to point out that in many > cases this is likely to create barriers for participation. > >- *Communities with community health issues: *For some communities >which are having community health issues, this will only result in further >damage. >- *Even for remaining healthy communities:* Even in those communities, >I would like to point out to you that there are still several community >members who never felt comfortable in commenting or posting anything in >their respective village pumps, in almost all languages. > > At large, this approach is going to be counter productive to community > members who by nature are not so social. And we can not exclude them. Also, > in some cases, this will give more power to power networks and structures > which can result more exclusion. At large this is structurally creating a > way for exclusion. > > Apart from my stand, I would like to acknowledge that I feel this process > is considered to set up to increase accountability in participants and > improve community involvement and agency. But, I believe we can find other > ways to solve issues with accountability. I can, with all due respect to > the people who thought out the process and people who suggested this, > strongly say this is not acceptable way to deal with accountability > question or for that matter even the question of improving community > collaboration. > > Best, > Pavan. > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:23 PM Jayanta Nath > wrote: > >> Dear Wikimedians, >> >> It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training >> 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 >> October 2019. >> >> >> >> Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned >> for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we >> focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, >> India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been >> conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. >> >> This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in >> hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following >> link for proposal for hosting at their city: >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids >> >> It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request >> to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate >> section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. >> >> Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. >> >> >> >> If you have any questions, please let us know. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Jayanta Nath >> >> Wikisource Advisor >> >> CIS-A2K >> >> ___ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hello Jayanta, I would like to appreciate you and team for planning and rolling out this training. Along with that, I would also like to raise a major concern which is unrelated to bidding but is more about program design. Meta page about this event says that "The selection [of participants] will be done by each Indic Wikisource community.". Apart from all good intentions behind this process, I would like to point out that in many cases this is likely to create barriers for participation. - *Communities with community health issues: *For some communities which are having community health issues, this will only result in further damage. - *Even for remaining healthy communities:* Even in those communities, I would like to point out to you that there are still several community members who never felt comfortable in commenting or posting anything in their respective village pumps, in almost all languages. At large, this approach is going to be counter productive to community members who by nature are not so social. And we can not exclude them. Also, in some cases, this will give more power to power networks and structures which can result more exclusion. At large this is structurally creating a way for exclusion. Apart from my stand, I would like to acknowledge that I feel this process is considered to set up to increase accountability in participants and improve community involvement and agency. But, I believe we can find other ways to solve issues with accountability. I can, with all due respect to the people who thought out the process and people who suggested this, strongly say this is not acceptable way to deal with accountability question or for that matter even the question of improving community collaboration. Best, Pavan. On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:23 PM Jayanta Nath wrote: > Dear Wikimedians, > > It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training > 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 > October 2019. > > > > Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned > for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we > focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, > India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been > conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. > > This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in > hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following > link for proposal for hosting at their city: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids > > It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request > to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate > section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. > > Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. > > > > If you have any questions, please let us know. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jayanta Nath > > Wikisource Advisor > > CIS-A2K > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hi Balaji, Thanks for the queries about this events. I have a basic agenda of this workshop below, although We would like to fixed the agenda after need assessment. 1. Digitization post processing. 2. Advance proofreading techniques. 3. Wikidata Linkage. 4.Library classification. 5. Finishing touch of Transclution. 6.Annotation of the text. 7. Transclusion Techniques of Encyclopedia, Dictionary, etc. 8. Proofread-thon. Regarding participants section: For the Indic wikisource consultation 2018[1], we selected the participant as per their contribution to their Wikisource. For Advance wikisource we had a option to chose the participants from the community sectioning. Although there are no application comes from the community including bids. So probably will select the city and participants from the community. And obviously we can taking the matter of your suggestion. Regarding the trainer, We are talking to the experience leader from India including User:Hrishikesh. We will update it during course. Regards, Jayanta Nath Wikisource Advisor 1) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Indic_Wikisource_Community_Consultation_2018 On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:28 PM balaji wrote: > Hello Tito, > > Thanks for the detailed reply. > > I have few feedback for the reply. > > //C. >>If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, > it would be good to know before bidding. > Agenda is decided after the needs-assessment of the participants. If you > have topics to suggest, please let us know. About format, let me answer in > the last part, as it is similar to "hands-on proofreading".// > > If not a detailed schedule atleast some broad topics and formats need to > be determined. Because people are dedicating two days from their busy life > for this training. They should make a informed decision regarding weather > the topics are already covered in previous training ? whether it is worth > to apply for this training. Also only then we may know the difference > between previous trainings and proposed advanced training. > > //D. >> What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this > training? > Excellent question. Please feel to suggest what selection criteria should > be (number of edits, number of proofread/validated pages, recent activity). > I'll check and get back to this with more details.// > > A suggestion regarding this point. since this is advance training, to > implement the learnings from the training many a times some privileges such > as interface admin, admin is required. so atleast one person of a language > of such privileges may be selected. or those who are selected be given such > privileges temporarily by the community. > > //any proposal for the trainers?// > The above point is not covered in the reply > > Thanks and regards, > J. Balaji. > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 2:13 PM Tito Dutta wrote: > >> Hello Balaji, >> Thanks for your questions, let me try to answer to these. >> A. >>The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". >> Already minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic >> wikisource community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to >> be different from the earlier trainings. >> -- Yes, the event name is Wiki Advanced Training, where on a project is >> focused every year. This year the project we are focusing on is Wikisource, >> next year we have not planned or decided yet. >> So far Wikisource training (zonal) has been conducted/supported by >> CIS-A2K in the last one year for (in alphabetical order) Assamese, >> Gujarati, Marathi, Punjabi, Sanskrit community (in Bangalore), and Tamil >> community. Those have been mostly first-level or basic training. But, as >> "Advanced Wiki Training": name suggests, the training should be for >> experienced Wiki-librarians with advanced topics (*what advanced topics, >> answering in the next points)* >> B. *>>Because in many of the advance trainings people without basics >> also attend and pull down the average level of the trainings. (or they >> won't benefit from such trainings).* >> There should be basic eligibility criteria (see D). About participants, >> as mentioned earlier, yes, it is expected that the participants have both >> basic Wikisource knowledge and contribution experience. One thing comes >> here, does this ensure participation from all communities? I hope you >> understand this point. However, it is true that Advanced Training ideally >> should not have very basic topics. >> Also note, we have community-selection process where a community will >> discuss on village pump and select Wiki-librarians to represent their >> communities. >> >> C. >>If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, >> it would be good to know before bidding. >> Agenda is decided after the needs-assessment of the participants. If you >> have topics to suggest, please let us know. About format, let me answer in >> the last part, as it is similar
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hello Tito, Thanks for the detailed reply. I have few feedback for the reply. //C. >>If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, it would be good to know before bidding. Agenda is decided after the needs-assessment of the participants. If you have topics to suggest, please let us know. About format, let me answer in the last part, as it is similar to "hands-on proofreading".// If not a detailed schedule atleast some broad topics and formats need to be determined. Because people are dedicating two days from their busy life for this training. They should make a informed decision regarding weather the topics are already covered in previous training ? whether it is worth to apply for this training. Also only then we may know the difference between previous trainings and proposed advanced training. //D. >> What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this training? Excellent question. Please feel to suggest what selection criteria should be (number of edits, number of proofread/validated pages, recent activity). I'll check and get back to this with more details.// A suggestion regarding this point. since this is advance training, to implement the learnings from the training many a times some privileges such as interface admin, admin is required. so atleast one person of a language of such privileges may be selected. or those who are selected be given such privileges temporarily by the community. //any proposal for the trainers?// The above point is not covered in the reply Thanks and regards, J. Balaji. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 2:13 PM Tito Dutta wrote: > Hello Balaji, > Thanks for your questions, let me try to answer to these. > A. >>The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". > Already minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic > wikisource community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to > be different from the earlier trainings. > -- Yes, the event name is Wiki Advanced Training, where on a project is > focused every year. This year the project we are focusing on is Wikisource, > next year we have not planned or decided yet. > So far Wikisource training (zonal) has been conducted/supported by CIS-A2K > in the last one year for (in alphabetical order) Assamese, Gujarati, > Marathi, Punjabi, Sanskrit community (in Bangalore), and Tamil community. > Those have been mostly first-level or basic training. But, as "Advanced > Wiki Training": name suggests, the training should be for experienced > Wiki-librarians with advanced topics (*what advanced topics, answering in > the next points)* > B. *>>Because in many of the advance trainings people without basics also > attend and pull down the average level of the trainings. (or they won't > benefit from such trainings).* > There should be basic eligibility criteria (see D). About participants, as > mentioned earlier, yes, it is expected that the participants have both > basic Wikisource knowledge and contribution experience. One thing comes > here, does this ensure participation from all communities? I hope you > understand this point. However, it is true that Advanced Training ideally > should not have very basic topics. > Also note, we have community-selection process where a community will > discuss on village pump and select Wiki-librarians to represent their > communities. > > C. >>If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, > it would be good to know before bidding. > Agenda is decided after the needs-assessment of the participants. If you > have topics to suggest, please let us know. About format, let me answer in > the last part, as it is similar to "hands-on proofreading". > > D. >> What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this > training? > Excellent question. Please feel to suggest what selection criteria should > be (number of edits, number of proofread/validated pages, recent activity). > I'll check and get back to this with more details. > > E. >> Also to few members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that > instead of training a two day editathon can be conducted with experts > helping people who face problems while proofreading. > That's a format-related question. I, personally, find this idea an > interesting one. Whether it 'll be 50%, 75% or 100% of hands-on training, > it is to be decided by all the participating community members. > > Abhinav, > Thanks for your comments. > >>Similar to the suggestions I had raised during TTT 2019, having a > community jury to decide on the bids would be beneficial. Also, the idea > floated by Balaji on proposal for trainers is welcoming, this makes the > community inclusive (a community-run initiative). > -- Earlier we tried this. For Adv. Wikisource we are waiting for > communities to show interest still. Hope to see at least a couple of > interests there as of now. > > > > > Thanks > Tito Dutta > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hello Balaji, Thanks for your questions, let me try to answer to these. A. >>The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". Already minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic wikisource community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to be different from the earlier trainings. -- Yes, the event name is Wiki Advanced Training, where on a project is focused every year. This year the project we are focusing on is Wikisource, next year we have not planned or decided yet. So far Wikisource training (zonal) has been conducted/supported by CIS-A2K in the last one year for (in alphabetical order) Assamese, Gujarati, Marathi, Punjabi, Sanskrit community (in Bangalore), and Tamil community. Those have been mostly first-level or basic training. But, as "Advanced Wiki Training": name suggests, the training should be for experienced Wiki-librarians with advanced topics (*what advanced topics, answering in the next points)* B. *>>Because in many of the advance trainings people without basics also attend and pull down the average level of the trainings. (or they won't benefit from such trainings).* There should be basic eligibility criteria (see D). About participants, as mentioned earlier, yes, it is expected that the participants have both basic Wikisource knowledge and contribution experience. One thing comes here, does this ensure participation from all communities? I hope you understand this point. However, it is true that Advanced Training ideally should not have very basic topics. Also note, we have community-selection process where a community will discuss on village pump and select Wiki-librarians to represent their communities. C. >>If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, it would be good to know before bidding. Agenda is decided after the needs-assessment of the participants. If you have topics to suggest, please let us know. About format, let me answer in the last part, as it is similar to "hands-on proofreading". D. >> What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this training? Excellent question. Please feel to suggest what selection criteria should be (number of edits, number of proofread/validated pages, recent activity). I'll check and get back to this with more details. E. >> Also to few members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that instead of training a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face problems while proofreading. That's a format-related question. I, personally, find this idea an interesting one. Whether it 'll be 50%, 75% or 100% of hands-on training, it is to be decided by all the participating community members. Abhinav, Thanks for your comments. >>Similar to the suggestions I had raised during TTT 2019, having a community jury to decide on the bids would be beneficial. Also, the idea floated by Balaji on proposal for trainers is welcoming, this makes the community inclusive (a community-run initiative). -- Earlier we tried this. For Adv. Wikisource we are waiting for communities to show interest still. Hope to see at least a couple of interests there as of now. Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call. On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 13:03, balaji wrote: > Hi, > > The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". Already > minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic wikisource > community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to be > different from the earlier trainings. If there is an agenda for this > training and format of the training, it would be good to know before > bidding. Also any proposal for the trainers? What would be the criteria for > selection of people to attend this training? Because in many of the advance > trainings people without basics also attend and pull down the average level > of the trainings. (or they won't benefit from such trainings). Also to few > members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that instead of training > a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face > problems while proofreading. > > Regards > J. Balaji > (User:Balajijagadesh) > > Note: Same was posted in meta talk page : > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids#Agenda_for_the_meeting > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:53 AM Jayanta Nath wrote: > >> Dear Wikimedians, >> >> It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training >> 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 >> October 2019. >> >> >> >> Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned >> for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we >> focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, >> India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been >> conducted in
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hi, In consent with the opinion expressed by Balaji // *instead of training a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face problems while proofreading. *// I couldn't agree more. I myself face a lot many problem and such exercise could benefit. Similar to the suggestions I had raised during TTT 2019, having a community jury to decide on the bids would be beneficial. Also, the idea floated by Balaji on proposal for trainers is welcoming, this makes the community inclusive (a community-run initiative). Abhinav On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 13:03, balaji wrote: > Hi, > > The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". Already > minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic wikisource > community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to be > different from the earlier trainings. If there is an agenda for this > training and format of the training, it would be good to know before > bidding. Also any proposal for the trainers? What would be the criteria for > selection of people to attend this training? Because in many of the advance > trainings people without basics also attend and pull down the average level > of the trainings. (or they won't benefit from such trainings). Also to few > members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that instead of training > a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face > problems while proofreading. > > Regards > J. Balaji > (User:Balajijagadesh) > > Note: Same was posted in meta talk page : > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids#Agenda_for_the_meeting > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:53 AM Jayanta Nath wrote: > >> Dear Wikimedians, >> >> It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training >> 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 >> October 2019. >> >> >> >> Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned >> for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we >> focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, >> India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been >> conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. >> >> This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in >> hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following >> link for proposal for hosting at their city: >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids >> >> It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request >> to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate >> section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. >> >> Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. >> >> >> >> If you have any questions, please let us know. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Jayanta Nath >> >> Wikisource Advisor >> >> CIS-A2K >> >> ___ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Hi, The title for the meeting in fixed as "Wiki Advanced Training". Already minimum one training was conducted by CIS for many of the Indic wikisource community. How the "Wiki Advanced Training" training is going to be different from the earlier trainings. If there is an agenda for this training and format of the training, it would be good to know before bidding. Also any proposal for the trainers? What would be the criteria for selection of people to attend this training? Because in many of the advance trainings people without basics also attend and pull down the average level of the trainings. (or they won't benefit from such trainings). Also to few members I spoke in Tamil wikisource community felt that instead of training a two day editathon can be conducted with experts helping people who face problems while proofreading. Regards J. Balaji (User:Balajijagadesh) Note: Same was posted in meta talk page : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids#Agenda_for_the_meeting On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:53 AM Jayanta Nath wrote: > Dear Wikimedians, > > It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training > 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 > October 2019. > > > > Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned > for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we > focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, > India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been > conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. > > This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in > hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following > link for proposal for hosting at their city: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids > > It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request > to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate > section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. > > Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. > > > > If you have any questions, please let us know. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jayanta Nath > > Wikisource Advisor > > CIS-A2K > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Call for bids to host Wikisource Advance Training 2019
Dear Wikimedians, It gives us great pleasure to inform that the Wikisource Advance Training 2019 program organised by CIS-A2K is going to be held from 11 October & 13 October 2019. Advance Wikisource Training is a residential training program is planned for Indic Wikisource community (including English) members. Last year we focused on Wikipedia and conducted the Wiki Advanced Training at Ranch, India. Also, Earlier Indic Wikisource Community Consultation has been conducted in 2018 at Kolkata. This year CIS-A2K is interested to collaborate with the community in hosting the event. Interested community members, please check the following link for proposal for hosting at their city: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Wiki_Advanced_Training/2019/Bids It is requested to All Indic Wiki-librarians, kindly apply your request to join this event at your language wikisource village pump with separate section. As per community decision, we will select the participants. Please consider sharing this process details with your community members. If you have any questions, please let us know. Regards, Jayanta Nath Wikisource Advisor CIS-A2K ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
