Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: > Hi, > > Having bureaucrats is not easy, we had a consensus taken by community and > don't have any active bureaucrats on gu.wiki but still the application for > bureaucrats was rejected by meta. It is definitely necessary to have active > local bureaucrat(s), but meta needs to change their rigid requirements for > small but active wikis like ours. > +1 Thanks. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Ravishankar wrote: > Hi, > > I was browsing through http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias and > found the number of admin users across Indic Wikipedias very low. > > Hindi has only 4, followed by Bengali and Marathi with 10 and Telugu and > Malayalam with 18. We lost some admins on Marathi as they resigned from the job. 2 were raised to bureaucrat. As such, just about 3-4 people are actively doing admin/bureaucrat work. -Sudhanwa > > If you discount the inactive admin users, the count can be very low to > maintain the quality. > > In Tamil Wikipedia, we make sure to run admin elections regularly. We choose > around 4 admins every year and don't hesitate to nominate promising > newcomers. This helps to share work load, give a break for wikiholics and > provide a sense of belonging for the whole community. In the beginning days, > most of the founding members got admin access within few weeks of meaningful > contribution and this good will has never failed. > > Unless there are other compelling reasons for this low count of admin users, > I urge every community to nominate / self-nominate good contributors and > make them admins. > > Ravi -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
Hi, Having bureaucrats is not easy, we had a consensus taken by community and don't have any active bureaucrats on gu.wiki but still the application for bureaucrats was rejected by meta. It is definitely necessary to have active local bureaucrat(s), but meta needs to change their rigid requirements for small but active wikis like ours. Can anybody canvas for that? Regards, Dhaval On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote: > Thanks Viswa. Just curious, do Malayalam Wiki bureaucrats have rights to > remove adminship? Since nobody in Tamil Wiki had the rights, we had to > request some Stewards. IIRC, Jyotis came to our help. Are there other > rights beyond bureaucrats that anyone feels necessary? > > - Sundar > > "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium > for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." > - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture > > -- > *From:* Ravishankar > *To:* Wikimedia India Community list > > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2013 3:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic > Wikipedias > > Subha, > > //In addition to all these points you have added it also brings stability > and openness to the community.// > > Yes. Also helps for a smooth transition of admin activities, leadership > across wiki generations. > > Viswam, > > Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering why the most active Malayam > community had relatively fewer admins. > > In Tamil Wikipedia, we have removed the admin status for few users who > were not reachable or had no intent to continue contributing. Otherwise, we > have very few inactive admins who haven't contributed for more than a year. > > Considering the size of our community, we feel that going through a step > by step procedure like Auto Patrol, Roll back etc. will be a needless > chore. > > Ravi > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
Thanks Viswa. Just curious, do Malayalam Wiki bureaucrats have rights to remove adminship? Since nobody in Tamil Wiki had the rights, we had to request some Stewards. IIRC, Jyotis came to our help. Are there other rights beyond bureaucrats that anyone feels necessary? - Sundar "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture > > From: Ravishankar >To: Wikimedia India Community list >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias > > >Subha, > >//In addition to all these points you have added it also brings stability and >openness to the community.// > >Yes. Also helps for a smooth transition of admin activities, leadership across >wiki generations. > >Viswam, > >Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering why the most active Malayam community >had relatively fewer admins. > >In Tamil Wikipedia, we have removed the admin status for few users who were >not reachable or had no intent to continue contributing. Otherwise, we have >very few inactive admins who haven't contributed for more than a year. > >Considering the size of our community, we feel that going through a step by >step procedure like Auto Patrol, Roll back etc. will be a needless chore. > >Ravi > >___ >Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > >___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
Subha, //In addition to all these points you have added it also brings stability and openness to the community.// Yes. Also helps for a smooth transition of admin activities, leadership across wiki generations. Viswam, Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering why the most active Malayam community had relatively fewer admins. In Tamil Wikipedia, we have removed the admin status for few users who were not reachable or had no intent to continue contributing. Otherwise, we have very few inactive admins who haven't contributed for more than a year. Considering the size of our community, we feel that going through a step by step procedure like Auto Patrol, Roll back etc. will be a needless chore. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
Just for your info if it will help devise effective strategies: *Continuance of Administrative privileges* In Malayalam, we have a periodical assessment of active Admins. Some of them are very very active (almost round the clock!). Some are frequenting on monthly or seasonally waving cycles of crests and troughs. Really very few are inactive over a long span. During such talk page assessments, we discuss if someone (who has been idle for a long time) needs to be demoted from their Admin status. The general consensus is not to strictly enforce such demotions but to request them to relinquish the status by themselves. Most often, they agree to this. The practice of such self-relinquishing of long time idle admins is to avoid a potential security risk of someone else stealing their wikimedia user login credentials and misuse the extra privileges. If one such ex-admin would like to take back his admin role later (as he finds more time to get involved), he only need to put up a simple request at the concerned voting page. The request is almost automatically approved by other admins without the need of a new election. As of now, we have a satisfactory ratio between the number of admins and active users. *Harvesting new admins* Instead of an abrupt promotion to the status of a sysop or bureaucrat, we encourage a gradual elevation of an active, self-motivated neutral and dedicated user. Others closely watch the activities of a new user and, in time, grants extra privileges (like Auto Patrol, Roll back etc.). Later, taking several parameters (like count and quality of editing, talks etc.), someone proposes him to be a new sysop. Voting is done as per protocols and then he becomes an admin. Off the Wikimedia interface, these admins interact and consult mutually very frequently through list mails or threaded mails on a case to case basis. So far, these models have proved themselves to be very effective, manageable and scalable. -Viswam (Wikiuser:Viswaprabha) On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, subhashish wrote: > ** > > I think that's a brilliant idea Ravi. In addition to all these points you > have added it also brings stability and openness to the community. > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:34:23 +0530, Ravishankar wrote: > > Hi, > > I was browsing through http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipediasand > found the number of admin users across Indic Wikipedias very low. > > Hindi has only 4, followed by Bengali and Marathi with 10 and Telugu and > Malayalam with 18. > > If you discount the inactive admin users, the count can be very low to > maintain the quality. > > In Tamil Wikipedia, we make sure to run admin elections regularly. We > choose around 4 admins every year and don't hesitate to nominate promising > newcomers. This helps to share work load, give a break for wikiholics and > provide a sense of belonging for the whole community. In the beginning > days, most of the founding members got admin access within few weeks of > meaningful contribution and this good will has never failed. > > Unless there are other compelling reasons for this low count of admin > users, I urge every community to nominate / self-nominate good contributors > and make them admins. > > Ravi > > > > > -- > Subha > > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
I think that's a brilliant idea Ravi. In addition to all these points you have added it also brings stability and openness to the community. On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:34:23 +0530, Ravishankar wrote: > Hi, > > I was browsing through http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias [1] and found the number of admin users across Indic Wikipedias very low. > > Hindi has only 4, followed by Bengali and Marathi with 10 and Telugu and Malayalam with 18. > > If you discount the inactive admin users, the count can be very low to maintain the quality. > > In Tamil Wikipedia, we make sure to run admin elections regularly. We choose around 4 admins every year and don't hesitate to nominate promising newcomers. This helps to share work load, give a break for wikiholics and provide a sense of belonging for the whole community. In the beginning days, most of the founding members got admin access within few weeks of meaningful contribution and this good will has never failed. > > Unless there are other compelling reasons for this low count of admin users, I urge every community to nominate / self-nominate good contributors and make them admins. > > Ravi -- Subha Links: -- [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Number of Admin users in Indic Wikipedias
Hi, I was browsing through http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipediasand found the number of admin users across Indic Wikipedias very low. Hindi has only 4, followed by Bengali and Marathi with 10 and Telugu and Malayalam with 18. If you discount the inactive admin users, the count can be very low to maintain the quality. In Tamil Wikipedia, we make sure to run admin elections regularly. We choose around 4 admins every year and don't hesitate to nominate promising newcomers. This helps to share work load, give a break for wikiholics and provide a sense of belonging for the whole community. In the beginning days, most of the founding members got admin access within few weeks of meaningful contribution and this good will has never failed. Unless there are other compelling reasons for this low count of admin users, I urge every community to nominate / self-nominate good contributors and make them admins. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
