[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Condition of a Wikimedian, arrested by UP Police
Hi Praveen, Thanks for keeping track of the case. Personally I am extremely relieved that Siddique at last got out of the prison. We were not getting any major news about him which was very worrying. I am also very much worried of the extreme stress he and his family is facing and will face after this traumatic event. Hope they will come of this mess stronger than before. We are still helpless regarding legal support of the volunteers and are still vulnerable. Regards, Bodhisattwa On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 12:01 praveenp wrote: > FINALLY! > > The Supreme court granted Bail to Kappen. He was imprisoned since October > 2020 under UAPA while reporting the Gang rape and murder or 19 year old > Dalit woman from Hathras, Uttar Pradesh. Everybody in India can be so proud > of this entire saga. > I hope Kappen (wanna be Kappens too) learned his lesson, and won't commit > any "Unlawful activities" like reporting gangrapes in holy states. > > Regards > User:Praveenp > > > On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 14:19, Bodhisattwa Mandal < > bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Kaartic, >> >> I don't think Trust and Safety or WMF legal has any practical value here. >> I can endorse Vikram's view from my experience, when I interacted with both >> of the teams about another extremely controversial topic which might very >> well hamper the safety of the entire Indian Wikimedia community and can >> destroy the life and reputation of volunteers. Practically speaking, if any >> Wikimedia content is deemed illegal as per the law of the country, >> currently we are all vulnerable and there is no existing support structure >> which can take any step to convince website hosts to find any solution or >> prevent this kind of unfortunate situation or provide emergency legal >> relief or take out the volunteers from PTSD. >> >> Regards, >> Bodhisattwa >> >> >> >> On Mon, 10 May 2021 at 00:25, Kaartic Sivaraam < >> kaarticsivaraam91...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Sun, 9 May 2021 at 10:56, Bodhisattwa Mandal >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I personally always felt that individual Wikimedia volunteers are >>> always in an extremely vulnerable position. There is no legal support >>> system present in the Indian Wikimedia ecosystem to safeguard or prevent >>> Wikimedia volunteers from being harrassed by state or charged or arrested >>> for any controversial content present on Wikipedia. Although Sidheeq was >>> not charged for anything related to his Wikimedia work and to some people, >>> maybe his arrest has nothing to do with the Wikimedia community, but it >>> gives us a chance to think, what happens if this kind of incident happens >>> to any one of us with respect to any controversial content present on any >>> Wikimedia sites. I strongly feel that we need to build a good legal support >>> system sustainable enough to help volunteers in distress anytime anywhere >>> in India; the scope of such a support system can be defined or discussed, >>> but something should be there. >>> > >>> >>> Forgive my ignorance and I could be misunderstanding but anyways, >>> shouldn't the Trust & Safety team be helpful for these situations? >>> Isn't it kind of their work to support Wikimedians in those cases? If >>> not, that team at least looks like the relevant people to discuss this >>> with. >>> >>> Team page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety >>> Team overview: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety/Overview >>> >>> -- >>> Sivaraam >>> >>> ___ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> ___ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Condition of a Wikimedian, arrested by UP Police
FINALLY! The Supreme court granted Bail to Kappen. He was imprisoned since October 2020 under UAPA while reporting the Gang rape and murder or 19 year old Dalit woman from Hathras, Uttar Pradesh. Everybody in India can be so proud of this entire saga. I hope Kappen (wanna be Kappens too) learned his lesson, and won't commit any "Unlawful activities" like reporting gangrapes in holy states. Regards User:Praveenp On Mon, 17 May 2021 at 14:19, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kaartic, > > I don't think Trust and Safety or WMF legal has any practical value here. > I can endorse Vikram's view from my experience, when I interacted with both > of the teams about another extremely controversial topic which might very > well hamper the safety of the entire Indian Wikimedia community and can > destroy the life and reputation of volunteers. Practically speaking, if any > Wikimedia content is deemed illegal as per the law of the country, > currently we are all vulnerable and there is no existing support structure > which can take any step to convince website hosts to find any solution or > prevent this kind of unfortunate situation or provide emergency legal > relief or take out the volunteers from PTSD. > > Regards, > Bodhisattwa > > > > On Mon, 10 May 2021 at 00:25, Kaartic Sivaraam < > kaarticsivaraam91...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, 9 May 2021 at 10:56, Bodhisattwa Mandal >> wrote: >> > >> > I personally always felt that individual Wikimedia volunteers are >> always in an extremely vulnerable position. There is no legal support >> system present in the Indian Wikimedia ecosystem to safeguard or prevent >> Wikimedia volunteers from being harrassed by state or charged or arrested >> for any controversial content present on Wikipedia. Although Sidheeq was >> not charged for anything related to his Wikimedia work and to some people, >> maybe his arrest has nothing to do with the Wikimedia community, but it >> gives us a chance to think, what happens if this kind of incident happens >> to any one of us with respect to any controversial content present on any >> Wikimedia sites. I strongly feel that we need to build a good legal support >> system sustainable enough to help volunteers in distress anytime anywhere >> in India; the scope of such a support system can be defined or discussed, >> but something should be there. >> > >> >> Forgive my ignorance and I could be misunderstanding but anyways, >> shouldn't the Trust & Safety team be helpful for these situations? >> Isn't it kind of their work to support Wikimedians in those cases? If >> not, that team at least looks like the relevant people to discuss this >> with. >> >> Team page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety >> Team overview: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety/Overview >> >> -- >> Sivaraam >> >> ___ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaindia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Condition of a Wikimedian, arrested by UP Police
Hi Kaartic, I don't think Trust and Safety or WMF legal has any practical value here. I can endorse Vikram's view from my experience, when I interacted with both of the teams about another extremely controversial topic which might very well hamper the safety of the entire Indian Wikimedia community and can destroy the life and reputation of volunteers. Practically speaking, if any Wikimedia content is deemed illegal as per the law of the country, currently we are all vulnerable and there is no existing support structure which can take any step to convince website hosts to find any solution or prevent this kind of unfortunate situation or provide emergency legal relief or take out the volunteers from PTSD. Regards, Bodhisattwa On Mon, 10 May 2021 at 00:25, Kaartic Sivaraam < kaarticsivaraam91...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 9 May 2021 at 10:56, Bodhisattwa Mandal > wrote: > > > > I personally always felt that individual Wikimedia volunteers are always > in an extremely vulnerable position. There is no legal support system > present in the Indian Wikimedia ecosystem to safeguard or prevent Wikimedia > volunteers from being harrassed by state or charged or arrested for any > controversial content present on Wikipedia. Although Sidheeq was not > charged for anything related to his Wikimedia work and to some people, > maybe his arrest has nothing to do with the Wikimedia community, but it > gives us a chance to think, what happens if this kind of incident happens > to any one of us with respect to any controversial content present on any > Wikimedia sites. I strongly feel that we need to build a good legal support > system sustainable enough to help volunteers in distress anytime anywhere > in India; the scope of such a support system can be defined or discussed, > but something should be there. > > > > Forgive my ignorance and I could be misunderstanding but anyways, > shouldn't the Trust & Safety team be helpful for these situations? > Isn't it kind of their work to support Wikimedians in those cases? If > not, that team at least looks like the relevant people to discuss this > with. > > Team page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety > Team overview: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety/Overview > > -- > Sivaraam > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list -- wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaindia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
