Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Ravi, Sorry, I guess you were correct. Jyothis, that is a good point, maybe we should hold a poll on Meta? On 14 April 2010 10:50, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: Seems worthwhile to do both these - the most accurate bits in all the recent reports are from the Foundation's press release, which I forwarded them after the Sunday meet. Bishakha On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.comwrote: Srikanth, 1. Whether they take or not, this will be a professional way for us to do. This will also be a good way to document our activities. 2. And if they take, it is a good chance for us to convey the exact message as it is. During the press conference on Tamil Wiki contest, while many magazines misreported, the ones we sent a press release published it exactly. When all they want is news and not views, the press release will help. If we can send a press release, even the magazines who didn't send their reporters personally will cover the event. 3. It will be good idea to elect / select and announce Spokespersons who can speak on behalf on Wiki in India (both language wise and on behalf of chapter when it is formed). This way media will be aware of the right people to contact if they want to clarify any thing. Ravi On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Ravi, while that is a good point, do you think the press still will take it? I mean, it's not what they get, but what they put into the final print. Regards, ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Arun Srikanth. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement, Uyirin Uyirae Sent from my Motorola SLVR L9. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Jyothis, a poll , or something like an RfA.. You stand, we elect, and we vote on someone from each indian language to represent that particular wiki [ALL, not just Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikibooks, etc.] in India, to Indian newspapers. Regards, On 14 April 2010 15:26, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Bishakha, The error was made by the copyeditor @DNA without the knowledge of the reporter. Btw this underlines the need for more outreach. There is still people who doesnt know Wikipedia is an encyclopedia ;) Jokes apart, the reporter has promised to carry a correction on this on a next issue. It was me , during the meetup, who had mentioned Malayalam has the highest page depth among Indian language wikipedias. The reporter might have confused that it was you who had said so. Anyways it is per stats ;) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#All_Wikipedias_ordered_by_number_of_articles English : 504 Malayalam : 374 Please don't take this comment in any other sense. It is important that ALL language wikipedias should grow more and more. It is ok to quote Datta regarding the chapter, as you are our official person on the Wikimedia Foundatation. It doesnt undermine the efforts of those Wikipedians working on setting up an Indian chapter. It is obvious that the media was focused on you , this time and we do understand your genuine interest in recognizing the efforts of the Wikipedians. Dont worry, we, Achal, Sundar, Arunram, Nadig,Shiju Alex, Anoopan, me etc have been quoted several times earlier on Wikipedia India related news on the media :) Btw related news on national editions of The Hindu today http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article396385.ece Regards Tinu Cherian On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: You are more generous than me in forgiving the DNA reporter for saying dictionary for what the whole world knows is an encyclopedia.:) I feel the following misquotes/inaccuracies are somewhat damaging: *para 2 - which make it sound as if I am claiming leadership in India, setting up the office and the chapter, when I'm doing neither - and said so repeatedly. *last para - the fictional quote on 'Malayalam articles having more depth.' I don't recall anyone saying this, let alone me. Media coverage will only intensify with each step: the formation of the chapter, etc etc. The problem with this kind of misreporting is that it makes others wary, and wrongly credits an individual (that too the wrong individual) for a collective effort. Just want to flag this to ensure there is no ill-feeling among us. For now, media attention is focused on me for obvious reasons. But in due course, it would be good for more and more Wikipedians - including those who are active on the proposed chapter formation - to start talking more and more to media, so that many voices represent wikipedia in India. I tried to do this to some extent at the Sun meeting by redirecting questions to Achal, Arun, and others...but they still attributed the stuff to me. There's only so many times I can apologize for what is not my error...if anybody has any thoughts on how this coverage can be improved (apart from letters to editor, which can only be done once so often), do share. Best Bishakha On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Related news on DNA newspaper, Bangalore Ed, today http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_wikipedia-now-has-an-indian-face_1370778 http://epaper.dnaindia.com/dnabangalore/epapermain.aspx Page 8 wikipedia-now-has-an-indian-face Forgive the reporter for the artcile saying online collaborative dictionary instead of online collaborative encyclopedia . Blame the copyeditor :) Thanks Tinu Cherian On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Thanq Nadig for uploading the images with CC By SA license, I will copy them to our commons too.. Btw there was a news column today onTimes of India newspaper regarding this meetup and Bishakha Datta. E-editions can found below. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOINEWBaseHref=TOIBG/2010/04/12PageLabel=6EntityId=Ar00602ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Wikipedia-cries-for-desi-content/articleshow/5785692.cms Waiting for the new articles from The Hindu , DNA and Bangalore Mirror who have covered the event. Bishakha, It was nice meeting you and having your presence at our Wikimeetup @Bangalore. Thanks Tinu Cherian On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: People, Some photos from today's Bangalore meet-up: http://is.gd/bowby (FlickR) -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Srikanth, We have selected such spokespersons through a vote in Tamil Wikipedia itself. (similar to sysop voting process). Since Tamil Wiki is a close knit community, we proposed around 12 names and all were elected unanimously. After having this team of 12, we form subgroups for various purposes. So for the Govt contest we have a team of 5. For interacting with corporates and representing in Wikimedia chapter we support Sundar. I help in media connections etc., Some take care of reaching immigrant Tamil people. So, while we have an understanding and authorization from community, we also have various faces for various tasks. These people are spread across various parts of India and the World. Having more names gives a sense of inclusiveness for all. We also have non-sysops and fresh faces among these 12. So it is best to do this process in local wiki and inform this mailing list / chapter so people can redirect to the right persons. META wiki need not be involved in this. Ravi On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Jyothis, a poll , or something like an RfA.. You stand, we elect, and we vote on someone from each indian language to represent that particular wiki [ALL, not just Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikibooks, etc.] in India, to Indian newspapers. Regards, ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Ravi, META was just a suggestion. Local wikis are fine too. Regards, Srikanth On 14 April 2010 20:20, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Srikanth, We have selected such spokespersons through a vote in Tamil Wikipedia itself. (similar to sysop voting process). Since Tamil Wiki is a close knit community, we proposed around 12 names and all were elected unanimously. After having this team of 12, we form subgroups for various purposes. So for the Govt contest we have a team of 5. For interacting with corporates and representing in Wikimedia chapter we support Sundar. I help in media connections etc., Some take care of reaching immigrant Tamil people. So, while we have an understanding and authorization from community, we also have various faces for various tasks. These people are spread across various parts of India and the World. Having more names gives a sense of inclusiveness for all. We also have non-sysops and fresh faces among these 12. So it is best to do this process in local wiki and inform this mailing list / chapter so people can redirect to the right persons. META wiki need not be involved in this. Ravi On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Jyothis, a poll , or something like an RfA.. You stand, we elect, and we vote on someone from each indian language to represent that particular wiki [ALL, not just Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikibooks, etc.] in India, to Indian newspapers. Regards, ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Arun Srikanth. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement, Uyirin Uyirae Sent from my Motorola SLVR L9. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Srikanth, Thanks for the understanding. An ideal and desirable state will be that the WMF, Local chapters and Local Wiki communities all co-exist with autonomy and facilitate each other's function rather than routing everything through one or another. Regards, Ravi On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Ravi, META was just a suggestion. Local wikis are fine too. Regards, Srikanth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Bishakha Datta wrote: I feel the following misquotes/inaccuracies are somewhat damaging: *last para - the fictional quote on 'Malayalam articles having more depth.' I don't recall anyone saying this, let alone me. well, do math ;-) probably not that much damaging ;-) -- praveenp ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Hi Bishaka, Welcome to Wikipedia. No ill-feelings :) I have had similar misreporting experiences with media. One way for better media management will be to take minutes during the meeting and handing over a formal written press release to the media people. We can also give contact numbers to clarify and request to see the report before going to print. Regards, Ravi On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: You are more generous than me in forgiving the DNA reporter for saying dictionary for what the whole world knows is an encyclopedia.:) I feel the following misquotes/inaccuracies are somewhat damaging: *para 2 - which make it sound as if I am claiming leadership in India, setting up the office and the chapter, when I'm doing neither - and said so repeatedly. *last para - the fictional quote on 'Malayalam articles having more depth.' I don't recall anyone saying this, let alone me. Media coverage will only intensify with each step: the formation of the chapter, etc etc. The problem with this kind of misreporting is that it makes others wary, and wrongly credits an individual (that too the wrong individual) for a collective effort. Just want to flag this to ensure there is no ill-feeling among us. For now, media attention is focused on me for obvious reasons. But in due course, it would be good for more and more Wikipedians - including those who are active on the proposed chapter formation - to start talking more and more to media, so that many voices represent wikipedia in India. I tried to do this to some extent at the Sun meeting by redirecting questions to Achal, Arun, and others...but they still attributed the stuff to me. There's only so many times I can apologize for what is not my error...if anybody has any thoughts on how this coverage can be improved (apart from letters to editor, which can only be done once so often), do share. Best Bishakha On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Related news on DNA newspaper, Bangalore Ed, today http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_wikipedia-now-has-an-indian-face_1370778 http://epaper.dnaindia.com/dnabangalore/epapermain.aspx Page 8 wikipedia-now-has-an-indian-face Forgive the reporter for the artcile saying online collaborative dictionary instead of online collaborative encyclopedia . Blame the copyeditor :) Thanks Tinu Cherian On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Thanq Nadig for uploading the images with CC By SA license, I will copy them to our commons too.. Btw there was a news column today onTimes of India newspaper regarding this meetup and Bishakha Datta. E-editions can found below. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOINEWBaseHref=TOIBG/2010/04/12PageLabel=6EntityId=Ar00602ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Wikipedia-cries-for-desi-content/articleshow/5785692.cms Waiting for the new articles from The Hindu , DNA and Bangalore Mirror who have covered the event. Bishakha, It was nice meeting you and having your presence at our Wikimeetup @Bangalore. Thanks Tinu Cherian On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: People, Some photos from today's Bangalore meet-up: http://is.gd/bowby (FlickR) -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- 1 GB @ 10 USD per year web hosting. http://milkhost.com/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Ravi, while that is a good point, do you think the press still will take it? I mean, it's not what they get, but what they put into the final print. Regards, On 13 April 2010 22:54, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bishaka, Welcome to Wikipedia. No ill-feelings :) I have had similar misreporting experiences with media. One way for better media management will be to take minutes during the meeting and handing over a formal written press release to the media people. We can also give contact numbers to clarify and request to see the report before going to print. Regards, Ravi On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: You are more generous than me in forgiving the DNA reporter for saying dictionary for what the whole world knows is an encyclopedia.:) I feel the following misquotes/inaccuracies are somewhat damaging: *para 2 - which make it sound as if I am claiming leadership in India, setting up the office and the chapter, when I'm doing neither - and said so repeatedly. *last para - the fictional quote on 'Malayalam articles having more depth.' I don't recall anyone saying this, let alone me. Media coverage will only intensify with each step: the formation of the chapter, etc etc. The problem with this kind of misreporting is that it makes others wary, and wrongly credits an individual (that too the wrong individual) for a collective effort. Just want to flag this to ensure there is no ill-feeling among us. For now, media attention is focused on me for obvious reasons. But in due course, it would be good for more and more Wikipedians - including those who are active on the proposed chapter formation - to start talking more and more to media, so that many voices represent wikipedia in India. I tried to do this to some extent at the Sun meeting by redirecting questions to Achal, Arun, and others...but they still attributed the stuff to me. There's only so many times I can apologize for what is not my error...if anybody has any thoughts on how this coverage can be improved (apart from letters to editor, which can only be done once so often), do share. Best Bishakha On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Related news on DNA newspaper, Bangalore Ed, today http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_wikipedia-now-has-an-indian-face_1370778 http://epaper.dnaindia.com/dnabangalore/epapermain.aspx Page 8 wikipedia-now-has-an-indian-face Forgive the reporter for the artcile saying online collaborative dictionary instead of online collaborative encyclopedia . Blame the copyeditor :) Thanks Tinu Cherian On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Thanq Nadig for uploading the images with CC By SA license, I will copy them to our commons too.. Btw there was a news column today onTimes of India newspaper regarding this meetup and Bishakha Datta. E-editions can found below. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOINEWBaseHref=TOIBG/2010/04/12PageLabel=6EntityId=Ar00602ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Wikipedia-cries-for-desi-content/articleshow/5785692.cms Waiting for the new articles from The Hindu , DNA and Bangalore Mirror who have covered the event. Bishakha, It was nice meeting you and having your presence at our Wikimeetup @Bangalore. Thanks Tinu Cherian On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: People, Some photos from today's Bangalore meet-up: http://is.gd/bowby (FlickR) -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- 1 GB @ 10 USD per year web hosting. http://milkhost.com/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Arun Srikanth. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement, Uyirin Uyirae Sent from my Motorola SLVR L9. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Srikanth, 1. Whether they take or not, this will be a professional way for us to do. This will also be a good way to document our activities. 2. And if they take, it is a good chance for us to convey the exact message as it is. During the press conference on Tamil Wiki contest, while many magazines misreported, the ones we sent a press release published it exactly. When all they want is news and not views, the press release will help. If we can send a press release, even the magazines who didn't send their reporters personally will cover the event. 3. It will be good idea to elect / select and announce Spokespersons who can speak on behalf on Wiki in India (both language wise and on behalf of chapter when it is formed). This way media will be aware of the right people to contact if they want to clarify any thing. Ravi On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Ravi, while that is a good point, do you think the press still will take it? I mean, it's not what they get, but what they put into the final print. Regards, ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Thanq Nadig for uploading the images with CC By SA license, I will copy them to our commons too.. Btw there was a news column today onTimes of India newspaper regarding this meetup and Bishakha Datta. E-editions can found below. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOINEWBaseHref=TOIBG/2010/04/12PageLabel=6EntityId=Ar00602ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Wikipedia-cries-for-desi-content/articleshow/5785692.cms Waiting for the new articles from The Hindu , DNA and Bangalore Mirror who have covered the event. Bishakha, It was nice meeting you and having your presence at our Wikimeetup @Bangalore. Thanks Tinu Cherian On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: People, Some photos from today's Bangalore meet-up: http://is.gd/bowby (FlickR) -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Bangalore Meet-up April 11, 2010
Too bad I couldn't make it in time. I was really looking forward to meeting you. :( On 12 April 2010 11:36, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Thanq Nadig for uploading the images with CC By SA license, I will copy them to our commons too.. Btw there was a news column today onTimes of India newspaper regarding this meetup and Bishakha Datta. E-editions can found below. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOINEWBaseHref=TOIBG/2010/04/12PageLabel=6EntityId=Ar00602ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Wikipedia-cries-for-desi-content/articleshow/5785692.cms Waiting for the new articles from The Hindu , DNA and Bangalore Mirror who have covered the event. Bishakha, It was nice meeting you and having your presence at our Wikimeetup @Bangalore. Thanks Tinu Cherian On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: People, Some photos from today's Bangalore meet-up: http://is.gd/bowby (FlickR) -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Arun Srikanth. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement, Uyirin Uyirae Sent from my Motorola SLVR L9. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
