Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ...

2010-01-05 Thread Gordon Joly
Charles Matthews wrote:
 Brian McNeil wrote:
   
 I don't think WMUK needs a style guide as long as Wikinews' but, it
 might be an idea to note points as we go along that should be
 consistent.


   
 
 Oooh, let's do the endash-hyphen thing right here ... not. The press do 
 have their own style guides, so the message is more important than the 
 medium.

 I have moved material around to get the punch into the first para. Mary 
 Rose is good: on everyone's radar, apparently.

 Charles

   


Style guides? A few weeks back, I contacted The Guardian to correct the 
spelling of PARC quoting a well known online encyclopedia as a 
reliable source. I also pointed out that parc appeared to be a 
registered trademark.

They were adamant. Their style guide said that it should be Parc.

One of those who has spent his time studying what happens on Wikipedia 
is Ed H Chi, a scientist who works at the Palo Alto Research Center 
(Parc) in California.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/12/wikipedia-deletionist-inclusionist

But elsewhere (Technology Guardian) the spelling is correct:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2004/feb/25/formerxeroxpa

Go figure.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ...

2010-01-05 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Brian McNeil
brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote:

 I contacted Stephen Fry's agent but got no response. It may have been
 bad timing given the holidays, perhaps someone else could try and see if
 that can be arranged after the fact.

Stephen Fry posted on his blog yesterday that he has a book due for
completion in April and as such as disappearing from Twitter and
keeping his appointments clear. So I fear he'll not be up for this
until at least the middle of the year.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ...

2010-01-05 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 If
 he hadn't just announced that he's going incommunicado until April to
 work on his autobiography, I would have suggested contacting him via
 Twitter. He won't do any recordings until he's finished the book,
 though.

Damn, must read to the end of threads before posting.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Telegraph runs story ...

2010-01-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/1/5 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:
 Style guides? A few weeks back, I contacted The Guardian to correct the
 spelling of PARC quoting a well known online encyclopedia as a
 reliable source. I also pointed out that parc appeared to be a
 registered trademark.

 They were adamant. Their style guide said that it should be Parc.

The BBC's style guide says the same. Acronyms (that is, abbreviations
that are pronounced as a word, rather than as individual letters) get
only one capital letter, eg. Nasa not NASA. I guess it makes it
easier to know how to pronounce an unfamiliar name.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Schools to get free access to online encylopedias

2010-01-05 Thread Michael Peel
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/schools-to-get-free-access-to- 
online-encylopedias-440794.html

The country’s 4,000 schools are to get free access to online  
versions of the popular Encyclopedia Britannica and World Book as  
part of an e-Learning initiative announced today.

... do you think we should offer to generously let them access  
Wikipedia for free as well? We can even throw in the native language  
version. ;-)

(via Mathias Schindler on wmfcc-l)

Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schools to get free access to online encylopedias

2010-01-05 Thread Michael Peel
(resending as the Wikimedia IE mailing list apparently defies the - 
l convention...)

On 5 Jan 2010, at 16:10, Michael Peel wrote:

 http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/schools-to-get-free-access-to-
 online-encylopedias-440794.html

 The country’s 4,000 schools are to get free access to online
 versions of the popular Encyclopedia Britannica and World Book as
 part of an e-Learning initiative announced today.

 ... do you think we should offer to generously let them access
 Wikipedia for free as well? We can even throw in the native language
 version. ;-)

 (via Mathias Schindler on wmfcc-l)

 Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schools to get free access to online encylopedias

2010-01-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Michael Peel wrote:
 http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/schools-to-get-free-access-to- 
 online-encylopedias-440794.html

 The country’s 4,000 schools are to get free access to online  
 versions of the popular Encyclopedia Britannica and World Book as  
 part of an e-Learning initiative announced today.

 ... do you think we should offer to generously let them access  
 Wikipedia for free as well? We can even throw in the native language  
 version. ;-)
   
Not CCed since I have a UK point to make. Which is that government these 
days have budgets to spend on website mass subscriptions for schools (as 
here) or libraries. This doesn't get much scrutiny.

This is something to research. I benefit through my library card in 
Cambridge by having about 20 online subscriptions. I'm not ungrateful, 
but this is taxpayers' money, and there is politics attached. Can we 
find out, in the UK, which ministry is paying? Out of what budget? How 
much do they spend? What arguments do we have of the type this money is 
propping up an older model, could be spent better?

There will be an election by May, and we know public spending is under 
pressure. A position paper for WMUK would be good.

Charles


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Schools to get free access to online encylopedias

2010-01-05 Thread Brian McNeil
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 17:44 +, Chris McKenna wrote:

 
 I'd suggest that some FoI requests to likely ministries/departments asking 
 how much they spend annually on such subscriptions, and which budget it 
 comes out of. I'd suggest the Home Office; Communities and Local Govt; 
 Business, Innovation and Skills; Children and Schools; Culture, Media and 
 Sport; Health; Wales and Scotland.

Many sources made freely available (well, taxpayer-paid) through
libraries are the very sources Wikipedians reply on to access papers c
to expand and flesh out Wikipedia articles.


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