Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project
On 13/06/12 18:05, Charles Matthews wrote: On 13 June 2012 17:51, Gordon Jolygordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it. What is the current budget? I'm making business cases for deliverables individually. The overall training budget is 20K? Charles So the distance learning is a fraction of £20K? I believe you said that there would be volunteer effort, but in any case, I would not expect much from such a small budget for such a difficult and technical area (that is distance learning). Regards, Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project
On 14 June 2012 07:41, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 18:05, Charles Matthews wrote: On 13 June 2012 17:51, Gordon Jolygordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it. What is the current budget? I'm making business cases for deliverables individually. The overall training budget is 20K? Charles So the distance learning is a fraction of £20K? I believe you said that there would be volunteer effort, but in any case, I would not expect much from such a small budget for such a difficult and technical area (that is distance learning). That comment being written in an expectation-lowering way, and also not being within my remit to answer, I'll make some remarks. Firstly I held off sending Jon Davies any concrete and costed proposals until I had attended the Training for Trainers: I thought it was premature. I then hit the ground running about 74 hours ago; and posted to this list as soon as I had figured out what I called the interlocking in my first post. I question the assumption that money is likely to be the limiting factor in building the online community: I think some things money can't buy is a really good general explanation of Wikimedia's success. And the other point is this: the genesis of this project was my unsuccessful tender to train WMUK's trainers. In it I basically suggested WMUK clone the Open University's OpenLearn project. I consulted two people associated with the OU before doing that. The OU are world leaders in distance learning. Against precedent, as I have noted, my direction is to assume we can lift and adapt what they do, conditional only on making sure that our community values are placed front and centre. I could go on, but we don't have necessarily to buy in advice except the trainer-training. There is a Moodle community who may take it very well if WMUK endorses Moodle rather than saying someone should reverse-engineer it and write a MediaWiki extension, even if that means junking years of development of the features that educators have actually asked for. The OU possibly do not see WMUK as a rival, but as on the same side. Who knows. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project
On 14 June 2012 08:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 14/06/12 08:28, Charles Matthews wrote: I question the assumption that money is likely to be the limiting factor in building the online community: I think some things money can't buy is a really good general explanation of Wikimedia's success. Indeed. But not in the complex task of distance learning with accreditation. Spend the money on people in rooms! More bangs for the buck! I do value your input; and this thread seems me at the very least one of the most constructive we have ever had on this list. I'd like to say that I'm not currently thinking of the VLE project as a vehicle for accreditation. The WMUK plan to accredit trainers is an input to the VLE idea; I think perhaps regarding accreditation as a significant output of the project ought to wait just a little while. Presumably the trouble with accreditation systems is that they are only as good as their weakest link. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project
On 14/06/12 08:39, Charles Matthews wrote: I'd like to say that I'm not currently thinking of the VLE project as a vehicle for accreditation. Fine. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project
Train the Trainers Budget is actually 20K. The bulk is for the weekend training sessions then some for setting up the Virtual Learning Environment, some for organising sessions requested by external organisations and the change goes for paying travel, accommodation (hostel OR hotel!) etc. Our aim is to get three tranches of trainers trained in this financial year and, if we can, hold training out of London which would be good.(Suggestions for location that would attract people please). If we go a bit over budget Martin and I will grovel to the board but I think this is s important if we are to grow new editors and enthusiastic Wikiepedians. Jon PS Agree with Charles that this has been a useful discussion. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: 15k for the whole project, I believe? Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jun 13, 2012 5:52 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it. What is the current budget? Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Academic training workshops
Hi all, As many of you know, as part of my work at the British Library I'll be organizing a series of training workshops on behalf of AHRC for postgraduates and academics, at various institutions around the country. These are mostly half-day sessions, giving training to specialists who are interested in contributing to Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects, or learning more about engaging and collaborating with the Wikimedia community - I'm modelling them on the past sessions run by WMUK with, eg, the Institute of Physics. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Physics_Workshop If they involve more than a small number of people, I'm quite keen to have someone else around, since it helps a lot if there's two or three people available to answer questions, demonstrate things, etc. If you'd be interested in coming along to one of these sessions and helping show people the ropes, please let me know and I'll keep you informed of future dates locations - I can cover reasonable travel expenses where needed... Alternatively, if you have contacts who you think might be interested in hosting one at their institution, I'd be really interested to hear about it - part of the trick with setting these up is finding the right person to approach! Thanks all, -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Academic training workshops
Hi Andrew, We have a brand new fleet of soon to be accredited Wikimedia Trainers that have attended the training workshop on 9-10 June, and I am sure that they would love to apply their skills helping you to run the sessions. I am happy to share the list of these attendees with you. Best wishes, Daria On 14 June 2012 16:39, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Hi all, As many of you know, as part of my work at the British Library I'll be organizing a series of training workshops on behalf of AHRC for postgraduates and academics, at various institutions around the country. These are mostly half-day sessions, giving training to specialists who are interested in contributing to Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects, or learning more about engaging and collaborating with the Wikimedia community - I'm modelling them on the past sessions run by WMUK with, eg, the Institute of Physics. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Physics_Workshop If they involve more than a small number of people, I'm quite keen to have someone else around, since it helps a lot if there's two or three people available to answer questions, demonstrate things, etc. If you'd be interested in coming along to one of these sessions and helping show people the ropes, please let me know and I'll keep you informed of future dates locations - I can cover reasonable travel expenses where needed... Alternatively, if you have contacts who you think might be interested in hosting one at their institution, I'd be really interested to hear about it - part of the trick with setting these up is finding the right person to approach! Thanks all, -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Daria Cybulska Events Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0994 -- Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error
If you go to http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… insecurely. If you go to https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… but you get an SSL certificate error. This seems like a problem. (Whoops, sent this to Wikimedia-L rather than Wikimediauk-L.) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] donate.wikimedia.org.uk has an SSL error
Yeh I raised this a few weeks ago; and I recall someone else did then. It's due to misconfigured SSL on the server (setting up a server the handle multiple SSL certificates can be a pain). I'm not sure what the status of it being fixed is; but I did offer advice back then on how to go about it. Tom On 14 June 2012 23:22, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: If you go to http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… insecurely. If you go to https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/ you can donate… but you get an SSL certificate error. This seems like a problem. (Whoops, sent this to Wikimedia-L rather than Wikimediauk-L.) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 36
On 14/06/2012 13:00, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Re: Distance learning project I agree this has been a good discussion, I hear excellent reports about the event. But at the same time I notice there were only 10 (?) attendees, which I think highlights what is actually our main constraint at the moment, and probably for some time ahead - a shortage of active members. All the more reason to prioritize training! In some cases this was due to the clash with the London meetup, where there was at least one person who would otherwise have gone 2 for whom this was a factor. The date was only given a short time ahead also. I agree that accreditation is something we should not worry about for the moment at least, until we have had some practice. But in the future we may well find ourselves in situations where other bodies want to give some form of credit/CPE points etc for our sessions in partnership with them. John Byrne/Johnbod ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 36
On 15 June 2012 00:57, John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote: I agree that accreditation is something we should not worry about for the moment at least, until we have had some practice. But in the future we may well find ourselves in situations where other bodies want to give some form of credit/CPE points etc for our sessions in partnership with them. I think we should now concentrate on learning to give cracking workshops, creating opportunities for workshops, pooling workshop material on the VLE, and getting to the point where we could seriously offer courses in areas where they are most needed. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
