Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedia charity chairman resigns after pornography row
On 03/08/12 09:39, Fae wrote: On 3 August 2012 09:14, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Shame that this is not the whole truth and nothing but the truth/ I wonder if his phone was hacked? Glad you find it amusing Gordo. At some point you might want to recall that I am a real person with a real personal life including my partner of 22 years. I am planning on coming to the next London Wikimeet, I would be happy to talk to you or anyone else about the allegations in these newspaper articles, if you still find it funny in a couple of weeks you can explain the joke to me. Thanks, Fae I was making the point that the press are more likely to focus of the salacious aspects, rather the complex and intricate story, where there would be unable explain the whole picture. And the Levenson Enquiry has shown the press have a lot to answer for. http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/ No offence to you intended, so I apologise if came across that way. C U at the London wikimeet, Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Last-minute reminder: Coventry meetup on Sunday
Hi folks, In the rare few minutes that I'm borrowing a working laptop, I'd like to remind you all of the Coventry meetup, which is being held in the Litten Tree in Coventry city centre this coming Sunday (5 August) from 13:00 onwards. Coventry is nice and easy to get to in the car or on public transport, so if you're free on Sunday, please do come along! Best, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Last-minute reminder: Coventry meetup on Sunday
Sorry, have relatives visiting that day. Doug On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: Hi folks, In the rare few minutes that I'm borrowing a working laptop, I'd like to remind you all of the Coventry meetup, which is being held in the Litten Tree in Coventry city centre this coming Sunday (5 August) from 13:00 onwards. Coventry is nice and easy to get to in the car or on public transport, so if you're free on Sunday, please do come along! Best, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Doug Weller http://www.ramtops.co.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
I would be strongly opposed to endorsing political lobbying groups on this or any other issues. I would like Wikimedia UK to be an educational organisation that remains fastidiously neutral on these conflicts and does not take any political sides, whether it is the side of the Pirate Party (featured quite prominently on the ORG website) or any of the more mainstream parties. Andreas On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies. From ORG: 'Peter, is preparing a CDB briefing for companies and holders of user comms data. This is pretty much where you are as an organisation, although you may wish to make broader points if you put evidence to the consultation.' The deadline is August 23, and details are here: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/draft-communications-bill/news/call-for-evidence/ -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Last-minute reminder: Coventry meetup on Sunday
Im on family duties - I hope to come to the photo shoot On 3 August 2012 13:35, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: Hi folks, In the rare few minutes that I'm borrowing a working laptop, I'd like to remind you all of the Coventry meetup, which is being held in the Litten Tree in Coventry city centre this coming Sunday (5 August) from 13:00 onwards. Coventry is nice and easy to get to in the car or on public transport, so if you're free on Sunday, please do come along! Best, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
I understand your fear of appearing political but it is not political to respond to government consultations - that is a civic duty. The Charity commission is very clear about this: All charities are united by having a vision of a better society. They have many different purposes, and are focused on different needs. But in the main they are united by a desire to achieve change, whether for a particular group of people in need, or for the wider common good. It is not surprising then that many charities wish to speak out, to use their voice and influence, and to campaign for the changes that would best help them achieve their purposes. Have a look at the guidance in detail: http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Charity_requirements_guidance/ccpubs3.aspx So it is then up to a charity to decide 'what is relevant' In our case we felt that SOPA/PIPA was relevant and went as far as to black out the English Wikipedia for a day. More recently we were consulted on copyright issues and with community support we were able to make our case The board agreed that this would be a suitable issue to comment on. Thanks for your input, Jon Davies. On 3 August 2012 13:54, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I would be strongly opposed to endorsing political lobbying groups on this or any other issues. I would like Wikimedia UK to be an educational organisation that remains fastidiously neutral on these conflicts and does not take any political sides, whether it is the side of the Pirate Party (featured quite prominently on the ORG website) or any of the more mainstream parties. Andreas On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies. From ORG: 'Peter, is preparing a CDB briefing for companies and holders of user comms data. This is pretty much where you are as an organisation, although you may wish to make broader points if you put evidence to the consultation.' The deadline is August 23, and details are here: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/draft-communications-bill/news/call-for-evidence/ -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies. From ORG: 'Peter, is preparing a CDB briefing for companies and holders of user comms data. This is pretty much where you are as an organisation, although you may wish to make broader points if you put evidence to the consultation.' The deadline is August 23, and details are here: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/draft-communications-bill/news/call-for-evidence/ I did put together a list of Wikimedia-specific concerns with the draft bill a while back on the list. But everyone pooh-poohed it and told me I'm crazy and paranoid. Oh well. Also, despite what Andreas says, it's not about partisanship, the bill is drafted atrociously and extremely vaguely. Even if you agree with what the government is trying to do, the bill is terribly written and could lead to absolute absurd and ridiculous conclusions. Seriously, read the draft bill. If you've used the Internet for more than half an hour, you'll see why it's insane. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 3 August 2012 14:06, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/draft-communications-bill/news/call-for-evidence/ I did put together a list of Wikimedia-specific concerns with the draft bill a while back on the list. But everyone pooh-poohed it and told me I'm crazy and paranoid. Oh well. Is this the one where I said nice one, please write up and submit? Also, despite what Andreas says, it's not about partisanship, the bill is drafted atrociously and extremely vaguely. Even if you agree with what the government is trying to do, the bill is terribly written and could lead to absolute absurd and ridiculous conclusions. Seriously, read the draft bill. If you've used the Internet for more than half an hour, you'll see why it's insane. Andreas is mainlining Wikipediocracy memes, which are more or less weird dystopic fanfiction from an alternate universe featuring some real names. See recent tl;dr on wikimedia-l, and also keep in mind his most recent service to WMUK. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: I understand your fear of appearing political but it is not political to respond to government consultations - that is a civic duty. The Charity commission is very clear about this: All charities are united by having a vision of a better society. They have many different purposes, and are focused on different needs. But in the main they are united by a desire to achieve change, whether for a particular group of people in need, or for the wider common good. It is not surprising then that many charities wish to speak out, to use their voice and influence, and to campaign for the changes that would best help them achieve their purposes. Have a look at the guidance in detail: http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Charity_requirements_guidance/ccpubs3.aspx So it is then up to a charity to decide 'what is relevant' In our case we felt that SOPA/PIPA was relevant and went as far as to black out the English Wikipedia for a day. Not a decision I agreed with. ;) It is indeed commendable if Wikimedia UK responds to a government consultation, but I'd prefer it if it weren't under the aegis of the Open Rights Group, or any other lobbying group. That's all. Jimbo once said something, when speaking of Wikipedia's non-commercialism, to the effect that Wikipedia should be a temple of the mind. With the advent and growth of the Pirate Party, Internet regulation is a party-political issue. And when it comes to such issues, I would like Wikimedia to be as neutral as Switzerland. :) We should be committed to education, not political action. That doesn't mean that Wikimedia can't respond to a government consultation, and tell government how a proposed bill would affect it. I am under no illusion that I am expressing an opinion likely to be particularly popular here. But I thought I'd mention it. Regards, Andreas More recently we were consulted on copyright issues and with community support we were able to make our case The board agreed that this would be a suitable issue to comment on. Thanks for your input, Jon Davies. On 3 August 2012 13:54, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I would be strongly opposed to endorsing political lobbying groups on this or any other issues. I would like Wikimedia UK to be an educational organisation that remains fastidiously neutral on these conflicts and does not take any political sides, whether it is the side of the Pirate Party (featured quite prominently on the ORG website) or any of the more mainstream parties. Andreas On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies. From ORG: 'Peter, is preparing a CDB briefing for companies and holders of user comms data. This is pretty much where you are as an organisation, although you may wish to make broader points if you put evidence to the consultation.' The deadline is August 23, and details are here: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/draft-communications-bill/news/call-for-evidence/ -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 3 August 2012 14:15, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 August 2012 14:06, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Also, despite what Andreas says, it's not about partisanship, the bill is drafted atrociously and extremely vaguely. Even if you agree with what the government is trying to do, the bill is terribly written and could lead to absolute absurd and ridiculous conclusions. Seriously, read the draft bill. If you've used the Internet for more than half an hour, you'll see why it's insane. Andreas is mainlining Wikipediocracy memes, which are more or less weird dystopic fanfiction from an alternate universe featuring some real names. See recent tl;dr on wikimedia-l, and also keep in mind his most recent service to WMUK. That would be enough ad homines for this week, and then some. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 3 August 2012 14:02, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So it is then up to a charity to decide 'what is relevant' In our case we felt that SOPA/PIPA was relevant and went as far as to black out the English Wikipedia for a day. Your other - very valid - points notwithstanding, the charity didn't do that. no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. See? ;-) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
You are so right Andy! Hush my mouth - I will go and hide under my WIkidesk! On 3 August 2012 15:46, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 3 August 2012 14:02, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So it is then up to a charity to decide 'what is relevant' In our case we felt that SOPA/PIPA was relevant and went as far as to black out the English Wikipedia for a day. Your other - very valid - points notwithstanding, the charity didn't do that. no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. See? ;-) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 03/08/12 15:46, Michael Peel wrote: 'We' the editing community (all 1000 that !voted online) felt SOPA/PIPA was relevant, and blacked out the site. 'We' the charity communicated the decision and views of the community to the media. It's very much this communication role that we the charity can easily play here. But will the public always be clear about the distinction between EN Wikipedia and Wikimedia UK? Are they now? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
That's excellent - do you think we could use our own-branded derivative as it's CC-BY-SA 3.0? I've attached a tiny thumbnail of what it might look like. -- Doug On 3 August 2012 17:10, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: On 3 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Gordon Joly wrote: On 03/08/12 15:46, Michael Peel wrote: 'We' the editing community (all 1000 that !voted online) felt SOPA/PIPA was relevant, and blacked out the site. 'We' the charity communicated the decision and views of the community to the media. It's very much this communication role that we the charity can easily play here. But will the public always be clear about the distinction between EN Wikipedia and Wikimedia UK? Are they now? Maybe we should start regularly pointing them towards this illustration to make it all clear: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMNL_-_NRC_CHARITY_AWARD.jpg Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org attachment: How it gets there - uk - 240.jpg___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 03/08/12 17:10, Michael Peel wrote: On 3 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Gordon Joly wrote: On 03/08/12 15:46, Michael Peel wrote: 'We' the editing community (all 1000 that !voted online) felt SOPA/PIPA was relevant, and blacked out the site. 'We' the charity communicated the decision and views of the community to the media. It's very much this communication role that we the charity can easily play here. But will the public always be clear about the distinction between EN Wikipedia and Wikimedia UK? Are they now? Maybe we should start regularly pointing them towards this illustration to make it all clear: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMNL_-_NRC_CHARITY_AWARD.jpg Thanks, Mike Alles klars? Vraiment? ??? http://mymemory.translated.net/en/Greek/English/%CF%83%CF%85%CE%BC%CF%86%CF%89%CE%BD%CF%8E? Just how do Wikimedia UK reach the public? They may be Radio 4 listeners, Scottish Herald readers, Morning Star readers, Sun readers, people who may only be looking at ITV News? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 03/08/12 20:03, David Gerard wrote: and as a group of charities supported by public donation we owe it to the public to say who we are and what we're about, nevertheless the whims of the press and of the news cycle are not necessarily anything we should actually concern ourselves over as we fulfill our various missions. The charity also receives public funds in the form of Gift Aid. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group
On 3 August 2012 13:43, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies. Its unreasonable to expect people to comment without at least a rough idea of what response is being prepared. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
