[Wikimediauk-l] Info: Proposed date for GLAMwiki conference // 12-14 April 2013

2012-08-06 Thread Fae
Hi,

I have confirmed the British Library conference center for Friday 12th
April to Sunday 14th April 2013. They have kindly offered to host us
for our proposed international GLAMwiki conference for free and the
venue is suitable for up to 255 attendees.

If you would like to support and prepare for the GLAMwiki conference
and are interested in sharing GLAM best practice with like-minded
Wikimedians, please register now for GLAMcamp on Saturday 15th
September to Sunday 16th September, details and registration at
https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAMcamp_London/September_2012. We are
expecting to host around 40 GLAMmers.

Cheers,
Fae
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[Wikimediauk-l] Training coffee morning 12 August

2012-08-06 Thread Charles Matthews
I'm running another coffee morning, i.e. informal discussion session
about training issues. This one will precede the London meetup on
Sunday 12 August, and will be in the same place, Penderel's Oak pub in
Holborn (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/penderels-oak/).
I'll get a train that will allow me to be there by 11 am. All are
welcome, to discuss current and future training.

I'll hang around during the meetup. But it does tend to get noisier,
which is why it seems worth setting aside a couple of hours before the
meetup itself starts.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Training coffee morning 12 August

2012-08-06 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi Charles,

I won't be able to make the 12th - it's the first free weekend I've
had for a month or so, and I've sworn off going into London! - but I
will be around in Cambridge working from home on Friday. Would you be
free for a quick coffee sometime in the afternoon?

- Andrew.

On 6 August 2012 15:45, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 I'm running another coffee morning, i.e. informal discussion session
 about training issues. This one will precede the London meetup on
 Sunday 12 August, and will be in the same place, Penderel's Oak pub in
 Holborn (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/penderels-oak/).
 I'll get a train that will allow me to be there by 11 am. All are
 welcome, to discuss current and future training.

 I'll hang around during the meetup. But it does tend to get noisier,
 which is why it seems worth setting aside a couple of hours before the
 meetup itself starts.

 Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

2012-08-06 Thread WilliamH
Because the blog post response to The Daily Telegraph article wrote that
“The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his
role as a Trustee of the charity.

Then again my conclusion was only an inference based on a sequence of
events. I take it you still stand by that comment?

WH.

On 6 August 2012 05:10, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:


 On 5 Aug 2012, at 18:34, WilliamH wrote:

 I find it odd that Ashley grasped the incompatibility of his position
 before the rest of the board did, and more to the point, that they only did
 grasp it *after* he stepped down.


 {{citation needed}}. I'm curious to know why you think this?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

2012-08-06 Thread Michael Peel

On 6 Aug 2012, at 08:11, WilliamH wrote:

 Because the blog post response to The Daily Telegraph article wrote that 
 “The Board is united in the view that this decision does not affect his role 
 as a Trustee of the charity.
 
 Then again my conclusion was only an inference based on a sequence of events. 
 I take it you still stand by that comment?

Indeed, his role as a trustee was, and still is, unaffected by arbcom's 
decision. It was his role as Chair that (sadly) became untenable.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

2012-08-06 Thread steve virgin

If this starts into something please can you move this to private
conversation rather than a public one with hundreds of people copied in
please?

Thanks



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 Yes, all Trustees have to maintain standards of probity.

 Gordo

Could you explain that comment?

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Training coffee morning 12 August

2012-08-06 Thread Charles Matthews
On 6 August 2012 15:57, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
 Hi Charles,

 I won't be able to make the 12th - it's the first free weekend I've
 had for a month or so, and I've sworn off going into London! - but I
 will be around in Cambridge working from home on Friday. Would you be
 free for a quick coffee sometime in the afternoon?

That probably works.

Charles

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from Wikimedia UK

2012-08-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Aug 6, 2012 4:39 PM, steve virgin st...@mediafocusuk.com wrote:


 If this starts into something please can you move this to private
 conversation rather than a public one with hundreds of people copied in
 please?

 Thanks

This is a matter that affects the whole chapter, so it makes sense to
discuss it on the mailing list.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees.
 So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity
 Commission annually.

 The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about
 Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair
 for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard.
 As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from
 projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no
 rules have been broken.

 Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become
 a teenager.

Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless
emails like this aren't going to solve them...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread Gordon Joly

On 06/08/12 20:48, Thomas Dalton wrote:

On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees.
So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity
Commission annually.

The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about
Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair
for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard.
As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from
projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no
rules have been broken.

Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become
a teenager.

Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless
emails like this aren't going to solve them...




Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?


Gordo

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?


If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand
behind, then say it. If not, then don't.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread HJ Mitchell
+1. Shit or get off the pot.
 
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 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
 
On 6 August 2012 20:45, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of Trustees.
 So, for example, Trustees expenses will be recorded with the Charity
 Commission annually.

 The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about
 Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair
 for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard.
 As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from
 projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no
 rules have been broken.

 Wikimedia UK is a very young charity. Soon, let us all hope, it will become
 a teenager.

Do you have a point? We certainly have problems, but vague aimless
emails like this aren't going to solve them...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread Chris Keating


 It is my understanding that the Chair is one of many on a board of
 Trustees.


Yes, this is the case. The Chair is the Chair of the Board of Trustees and,
if you look in our constitution, you will see that the post actually has
very few powers or responsibilities except chairing board meetings.


 The current issue is Fae. The last time I started to rant, it was about
 Roger Bamkin, and Monmouthpedia. In the latter case, he stood down as Chair
 for discussions about Monmouthpedia. For me, that does not cut the mustard.
 As a Trustee, there are very strict rules about gaining financially from
 projects which are run under the umbrella of a charity. I am informed no
 rules have been broken.


All trustees record any relevant interests in public and recuse themselves
from discussions where there are any conflicts of interest. This is in line
with Charity Commission guidance.

I am not sure there is any more to say on the matter.

Chris
Chair, Wikimedia UK
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread Gordon Joly

On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:

On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:


Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?


If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand
behind, then say it. If not, then don't.


- d.



OK.

Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be 
a enough.


It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their 
good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.


In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best 
option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue 
with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread Lewis Cawte

On 06/08/2012 20:58, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:

On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:


Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?


If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand
behind, then say it. If not, then don't.


- d.



OK.

Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not 
be a enough.


It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their 
good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.


In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the 
best option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to 
continue with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.


Gordo


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I don't feel that should happen, for either of these cases primarily, 
but I'd assume for other cases as well.


This is the first time I believe I have commented on this through the 
list, because I didn't think previously I could do it calmly enough, but 
I still support Ashley as a board member, although I'm kind of annoyed 
at how the pressure was put on him to step down - mainly the press 
pressure but anyway.


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[Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Richard Symonds
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19153243

Just under half of the blue plaques currently shortlisted to go up in
London are being scrapped due to funding cuts.

Beatles manager Brian Epstein and Monty Python's Graham Chapman are among
those who will miss out.

The scheme sees commemorative plaques attached to residences that famous
personalities have lived in.

English Heritage, which runs the scheme, said the cull was due to a 32% cut
in government funding.


Perhaps it would be prudent for WMUK to step in, and fund some QRpedia
plaques?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 6 August 2012 21:52, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:


 Just under half of the blue plaques currently shortlisted to go up in
 London are being scrapped due to funding cuts.

 Perhaps it would be prudent for WMUK to step in, and fund some QRpedia
 plaques?

+1

I'm happy to be involved in any project to do this.

However, a caveat: Many blue plaques are high up on buildings. QR
codes need to be just off ground level, so may need a second,
subsidiary plaque.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 August 2012 22:02, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 6 August 2012 21:52, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Just under half of the blue plaques currently shortlisted to go up in
 London are being scrapped due to funding cuts.
 Perhaps it would be prudent for WMUK to step in, and fund some QRpedia
 plaques?

 +1
 I'm happy to be involved in any project to do this.
 However, a caveat: Many blue plaques are high up on buildings. QR
 codes need to be just off ground level, so may need a second,
 subsidiary plaque.


Sounds fantastic! What's a blue plaque cost to install? And,
presumably, maintain and so on.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Richard Symonds
QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure). Add
20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

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On 6 August 2012 22:28, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 6 August 2012 22:02, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  On 6 August 2012 21:52, Richard Symonds
  richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Just under half of the blue plaques currently shortlisted to go up in
  London are being scrapped due to funding cuts.
  Perhaps it would be prudent for WMUK to step in, and fund some QRpedia
  plaques?

  +1
  I'm happy to be involved in any project to do this.
  However, a caveat: Many blue plaques are high up on buildings. QR
  codes need to be just off ground level, so may need a second,
  subsidiary plaque.


 Sounds fantastic! What's a blue plaque cost to install? And,
 presumably, maintain and so on.


 - d.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure). Add
 20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
 Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

Yes; do we have a contact there?

Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
in discussion).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Richard Symonds
I've got a contact at the National Trust, but I think it's a regional
contact, rather than a national one... I don't think we've got any at
English Heritage. I've cced in Fae, who should know if we have any English
Heritage contacts!

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On 6 August 2012 22:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure). Add
  20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
  Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

 Yes; do we have a contact there?

 Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
 Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
 in discussion).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Richard Symonds
Have just checked: we do have a contact there. We'll get it to you tomorrow.

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On 6 August 2012 22:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure). Add
  20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
  Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

 Yes; do we have a contact there?

 Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
 Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
 in discussion).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Roger Bamkin
I suspect the cost is not for the plaque, but for the installation and
permission etc. But anyway - lets see if it wiorks !

On 6 August 2012 23:06, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Have just checked: we do have a contact there. We'll get it to you
 tomorrow.

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 On 6 August 2012 22:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure).
 Add
  20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
  Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

 Yes; do we have a contact there?

 Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
 Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
 in discussion).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Roger Bamkin
So Monmouth plan to put up twice as many plaques as London next year ...

On 6 August 2012 23:13, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 I suspect the cost is not for the plaque, but for the installation and
 permission etc. But anyway - lets see if it wiorks !


 On 6 August 2012 23:06, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Have just checked: we do have a contact there. We'll get it to you
 tomorrow.

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 On 6 August 2012 22:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure).
 Add
  20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...
  Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?

 Yes; do we have a contact there?

 Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in
 Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already
 in discussion).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

2012-08-06 Thread Guy Hamilton

By the way, one of the ceramicists who produces blue plaques and the like, in 
London and elsewhere, is also the partner of the curator of Chepstow Museum (qv 
Monmouthpedia), and lives down the road from me.  Just sayin'

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:16:50 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Plaques

So Monmouth plan to put up twice as many plaques as London next year ...

On 6 August 2012 23:13, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

I suspect the cost is not for the plaque, but for the installation and 
permission etc. But anyway - lets see if it wiorks !


On 6 August 2012 23:06, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk 
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Have just checked: we do have a contact there. We'll get it to you 
tomorrow.Richard Symonds

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On 6 August 2012 22:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:



On 6 August 2012 22:37, Richard Symonds

richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 QRpedia plaques were less than £100 each (I forget the exact figure). Add

 20% for losses, repairs, updates, breakages (this is central London)...

 Andy, would you be willing to get in touch with English Heritage?



Yes; do we have a contact there?



Also, be aware that bodies other than EH also erect BPs - in

Birmingham, it's the Birmingham Civic Society (with whom I'm already

in discussion).



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread joseph seddon

Why are you doing this now Gordon? you had the option to sign the petition to 
call an EGM. 
Seddon

 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:58:05 +0100
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 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
 
 On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:
  On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 
  Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
 
  If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand
  behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
 
 
  - d.
 
 
 OK.
 
 Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be 
 a enough.
 
 It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their 
 good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.
 
 In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best 
 option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue 
 with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.
 
 Gordo
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.

2012-08-06 Thread WilliamH
For what it's worth, I was informed of the EGM on Thursday night, and woke
up the next morning to see that Ashley had stepped down. I incorrectly
inferred that his action was a response to and reflected the wish of the
EGM. I didn't immediately grasp that he remained on the board.

On 6 August 2012 23:37, joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sw...@hotmail.co.ukwrote:

  Why are you doing this now Gordon? you had the option to sign the
 petition to call an EGM.

 Seddon


  Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:58:05 +0100
  From: gordon.j...@pobox.com
  To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org

  Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] On being the Chair.
 
  On 06/08/12 20:52, David Gerard wrote:
   On 6 August 2012 20:50, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
  
   Thanks Tom. Prehaps you can read between the lines?
  
   If you have something to say that you're actually willing to stand
   behind, then say it. If not, then don't.
  
  
   - d.
  
 
  OK.
 
  Standing down as a Chair, either for good or during a meeting may not be
  a enough.
 
  It may be that Chair has to resign from the Board, and carry on their
  good work **OUTSIDE** the Board.
 
  In both cases, my feeling was a resignation from the Board was the best
  option, and in both cases, this would allow the individuals to continue
  with their work, but no longer as a Trustee.
 
  Gordo
 
 
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